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[Jackal904]

Solomen wrote...

It seems like people think that I meant for them to abandon Shepard like Liara or Ash/Kaiden... That isn't what I am saying.

We know what you're saying and it's ****ing stupid.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also it wouldn't be very cost effective. They would have to hire more actors to fill these roles as well as the old ones to fill other backup rolls. Would add quite a bit to the price of the project, much of it could be avoided.

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

apotheosic wrote...

If done properly, and if bioware had no other option, i would not be terribly angry if they did this.
however i would vastly prefer my old team.

There is no such thing as other problems. Bioware must have had a plan if they decided that it's poseable too have people die in ME2 and if they thought these characters where not gonig to be very popular, then they where wrong. I would be too scared to come on these forums if Tali was not a squadmate.

As much as a Talimancer as I am...I'd leave this forum permanently if Bioware pulled that crap.

Thats why if Tali is recruitable, then Miri, Garrus, Jack, Thane, Jacob, Ash, Kaidan and Liara will be, if one of those are not, then all of them should not be.

Even ignoring the romance aspect (which I love with a passion, don't get me wrong), it's just flatout stupid to toss aside well known characters in the finale for a bunch of newbies.  There is no LOGICAL reason for it, there's just a LAZY reason.

 I know people argue "Well liara and ashley were tossed aside so ME2 characters can be too!"  Sorry, two completely different situations.  ME2 was the middle of a trilogy, where characters can believably be pushed aside to make a grand return in the finale.

Really, if Bioware decides to toss all the characters out because they could have been killed, then they're not only taking the lazy route, but they're not giving any real consequence to the people who lost their entire squad in ME2.

If there was going to be a ME4, then I would not mind if the ME2 charactersgot the ME character treatment, but ME3 is the end of the trilogy, if a WHOLE new cast happens, then not only will alot of fans be pissed, ME3 sales will drop big time.

[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

If there was going to be a ME4, then I would not mind if the ME2 charactersgot the ME character treatment, but ME3 is the end of the trilogy, if a WHOLE new cast happens, then not only will alot of fans be pissed, ME3 sales will drop big time.

I agree.  The finale should have everyone regroup.  I honestly think Bioware knows this and knows just how poorly it would be taken if all our squaddies went away...but dammit it sure would be nice if they could let us know!

I'd hardly consider it a spoiler to say "Yes, all your allies are returning for the final engagement against the Reapers.  you do not need to recruit a whole new team."

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

If there was going to be a ME4, then I would not mind if the ME2 charactersgot the ME character treatment, but ME3 is the end of the trilogy, if a WHOLE new cast happens, then not only will alot of fans be pissed, ME3 sales will drop big time.

I agree.  The finale should have everyone regroup.  I honestly think Bioware knows this and knows just how poorly it would be taken if all our squaddies went away...but dammit it sure would be nice if they could let us know!

I'd hardly consider it a spoiler to say "Yes, all your allies are returning for the final engagement against the Reapers.  you do not need to recruit a whole new team."

I want to finsh the war with Garrus and Miri at my side, not two new guys that I don'r even know or even trust.

[Peppard]

Collider wrote...

I think this scenario is different, Peppard. Yes, ME2 had mostly new squad mates, but ME2 was not the end of the trilogy. ME3 is. We want the current characters we have to have their stories wrapped up and preferably fighting with Shepard.

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

[kglaser]

kraidy1117 wrote...

If there was going to be a ME4, then I would not mind if the ME2 charactersgot the ME character treatment, but ME3 is the end of the trilogy, if a WHOLE new cast happens, then not only will alot of fans be pissed, ME3 sales will drop big time.

I don't think there's a single chance in hell Bioware would do that.

[Solomen]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.

How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.

The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

[JeanLuc761]

Peppard wrote...
of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, 

I'm going to quote you a little out of context here, but i'd like to say something.

People who got everyone killed (let's face it, it's harder to do than it is to keep them alive), SHOULD be punished for it.  If we get a new "replacement" squad then quite frankly, the suicide mission was more or less meaningless.  To also quote Bioware, yes "dead characters should stay dead"...but not get replaced.

[kraidy1117]

Peppard wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think this scenario is different, Peppard. Yes, ME2 had mostly new squad mates, but ME2 was not the end of the trilogy. ME3 is. We want the current characters we have to have their stories wrapped up and preferably fighting with Shepard.

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

[JeanLuc761]

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.

How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.

The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? 

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?

[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

You summed up my feelings exactly.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 12 avril 2010 - 04:20 .

[kraidy1117]

kglaser wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

If there was going to be a ME4, then I would not mind if the ME2 charactersgot the ME character treatment, but ME3 is the end of the trilogy, if a WHOLE new cast happens, then not only will alot of fans be pissed, ME3 sales will drop big time.

I don't think there's a single chance in hell Bioware would do that.

Bioware is a buisness, they want money. They will take the time and money to make sure that ME2 sqaudmates are in ME3 as party members, not doing that will  make Bioware lose alot of profit, they don't want that and EA sure as hell does not want that. EA is money hungry we all know that, but they would not risk profit just to half ass something big like ME.

[Collider]

Kraidy, you have an excellent point. Not having the characters return essentially would make ME2 a waste of time. Literally all of ME2 was recruiting badass squad mates and having them survive. If it doesn't even really matter if they survived or not, it reduces ME2's whole focus on the suicide mission to be a gimmick.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Kraidy, you have an excellent point. Not having the characters return essentially would make ME2 a waste of time. Literally all of ME2 was recruiting badass squad mates and having them survive. If it doesn't even really matter if they survived or not, it reduces ME2's whole focus on the suicide mission to be a gimmick.

Thats my point, ME2 was advertised as a suicide mission, if surviorrs not even play a part in ME3 then ME2 was a waste of my time and other ME fans time.

[kglaser]

My 2 cents:

As much as some people like to complain about Bioware, I have a lot of respect for them. I personally feel that they bend over backwards for their fans. I don't think most of us would want to be in their shoes, with the enormous pressures from all sides the fans put on them...and they've done a lot of things in response to fan complaints/requests. Didn't like the Mako? Gone. Customization of armor and weapons too much? Gone. Tali and Garrus fan favorites? Not only squadmates, but LI for ME2 (and face it, you know *those* romances took extra planning--and were handled beautifully, if you ask me). etc.etc. Therefore, I think they will listen to us now--and from what I've seen, the vast majority would definitely not want to just get rid of everyone.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also like I said it would add unnecessary cost to the project to hire new actors. Unless they have Steve Blum and Robin Sachs do all the VA. (Since both of htem have been all over the past couple of BIoware releases)

[kraidy1117]

kglaser wrote...

My 2 cents:
As much as some people like to complain about Bioware, I have a lot of respect for them. I personally feel that they bend over backwards for their fans. I don't think most of us would want to be in their shoes, with the enormous pressures from all sides the fans put on them...and they've done a lot of things in response to fan complaints/requests. Didn't like the Mako? Gone. Customization of armor and weapons too much? Gone. Tali and Garrus fan favorites? Not only squadmates, but LI for ME2 (and face it, you know *those* romances took extra planning--and were handled beautifully, if you ask me). etc.etc. Therefore, I think they will listen to us now--and from what I've seen, the vast majority would definitely not want to just get rid of everyone.

This. What people seem to forget is Bioware is a company, just likey any other company they want money. ME2 sold way better then ME did. Why do you think it did? It was because oft he changes. Chrsitna has already said they are listing to player feedback for ME3 and have said planet scanining wilol mosatl ikely not return and they want to add more party banter, more dialog and a good inventory system. That shows me that they do listen, and they will not harm profit.

[kglaser]

Ah, Robin Sachs...Spongebob's driving instructor FTW!

[kraidy1117]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Also like I said it would add unnecessary cost to the project to hire new actors. Unless they have Steve Blum and Robin Sachs do all the VA. (Since both of htem have been all over the past couple of BIoware releases)

I also don't think people like Yvonne would do a cameo. Bioware already has people like Martin Sheen and Moss doing VA in the game, that right there is alot of money.

[kraidy1117]

kglaser wrote...

Ah, Robin Sachs...Spongebob's driving instructor FTW!

Hes a very good VA, too bad in ME2 he got stuck with a bland character, same as Steve Blum. Robin was just amazing as Veral in DAO expansion.

[Collider]

Also a good point. They can't throw away high profile voice actors like that. May as well use it if you paid top dollar.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Also a good point. They can't throw away high profile voice actors like that. May as well use it if you paid top dollar.

Bioware: Yvonne, we want you back as Miranda Lawson.
Yvonne: Ok, so is she going to be importent like in ME2?
Bioware: No she will be reduced to a cameo and will have nothing to do with the main game
Yvonne: No thank you
Bioware: Come on we need you
Yvonne: Either she is a sqaudmate or very importent or I am not doing the part

Thats how I picture people like Yvonne, Michal Beetie and so many others to act.

[Solomen]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.

How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.

The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? 

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?

I didn't play ME1 so my only contact with ME1 characters was ME2 and frankly they didn't impress me.  Ashley/Kaiden was whiny and Liara was obsessed.  I liked Garrus and Tali.  I never met Wrex.

[kraidy1117]

Solomen wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.

How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.

The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? 

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?

I didn't play ME1 so my only contact with ME1 characters was ME2 and frankly they didn't impress me.  Ashley/Kaiden was whiny and Liara was obsessed.  I liked Garrus and Tali.  I never met Wrex.

Face it, your a troll. You did this to get a rise out of people.