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Solomen wrote...

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You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.


How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.


The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? :?

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?


I didn't play ME1 so my only contact with ME1 characters was ME2 and frankly they didn't impress me.  Ashley/Kaiden was whiny and Liara was obsessed.  I liked Garrus and Tali.  I never met Wrex. Image IPB

Well you're basically telling me that you're judging a character based upon their cameo appearance, rather than their main role in the storyline.........

I honestly have nothing to say to that :blink:

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.


How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.


The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? :?

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?


I didn't play ME1 so my only contact with ME1 characters was ME2 and frankly they didn't impress me.  Ashley/Kaiden was whiny and Liara was obsessed.  I liked Garrus and Tali.  I never met Wrex. Image IPB

Well you're basically telling me that you're judging a character based upon their cameo appearance, rather than their main role in the storyline.........

I honestly have nothing to say to that :blink:


It's called trolling, hes new to it.

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Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  


making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.


You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.

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Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  


making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.


You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.


No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.


How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.


The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? :?

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?


I didn't play ME1 so my only contact with ME1 characters was ME2 and frankly they didn't impress me.  Ashley/Kaiden was whiny and Liara was obsessed.  I liked Garrus and Tali.  I never met Wrex. Image IPB


Face it, your a troll. You did this to get a rise out of people.


I've explained why I don't think the ME2 squad should come back as permanent squadmates in ME3.  If they are squaddies then that's great.  What is more epic, Tali following you around or Tali showing up at the final battle with the entire quarian fleet yelling "Keelah'Selai!" Image IPB

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Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

You could rectify this with having quest specific squads... If the character is dead then it won't be available for the specific story arc, so the cameo character can be a squadmate for specific missions.


How about your ME3 squad consist of ME and ME2 party members? There we go, people are happy.


The ME1 cast in ME2 made me angry.  Why would I want anything to do with them?  I liked the ME2 cast but I can see better uses for their time than following Shepard around. 
I suggested the Suikoden method of having a recruitment base for the final confrontation. 

Didn't you say you haven't played Mass Effect 1? :?

Also, why WOULDN'T you want to see them again?


I didn't play ME1 so my only contact with ME1 characters was ME2 and frankly they didn't impress me.  Ashley/Kaiden was whiny and Liara was obsessed.  I liked Garrus and Tali.  I never met Wrex. Image IPB


Face it, your a troll. You did this to get a rise out of people.


I've explained why I don't think the ME2 squad should come back as permanent squadmates in ME3.  If they are squaddies then that's great.  What is more epic, Tali following you around or Tali showing up at the final battle with the entire quarian fleet yelling "Keelah'Selai!" Image IPB


No you wanted to get a rise out of people, and thats what happen. thats a troll.Having Tali going back to the fleet should be an option, not a requirment.

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I've explained why I don't think the ME2 squad should come back as permanent squadmates in ME3.  If they are squaddies then that's great.  What is more epic, Tali following you around or Tali showing up at the final battle with the entire quarian fleet yelling "Keelah'Selai!" Image IPB

While your logic is sound, there are other ways to go about it than to dispatch all your trusted teammates going off and doing their own thing.  

For that matter, IF everyone goes away...the game would essentially consist of recruiting characters for 80% of the game...AGAIN.  This is supposed to be the finale of an epic trilogy and I'm going to be recruiting new squadmates for most of my time?  Forget that!

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Solomen wrote...

I've explained why I don't think the ME2 squad should come back as permanent squadmates in ME3.  If they are squaddies then that's great.  What is more epic, Tali following you around or Tali showing up at the final battle with the entire quarian fleet yelling "Keelah'Selai!" Image IPB

While your logic is sound, there are other ways to go about it than to dispatch all your trusted teammates going off and doing their own thing.  

For that matter, IF everyone goes away...the game would essentially consist of recruiting characters for 80% of the game...AGAIN.  This is supposed to be the finale of an epic trilogy and I'm going to be recruiting new squadmates for most of my time?  Forget that!


ME3 becomes ME2.5. I think Jean would want to go into the battle with Tali at his side, like I would go with Miri and Garrus on our side. Just because you have not built connections to the characters does not mean no one else has.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

I've explained why I don't think the ME2 squad should come back as permanent squadmates in ME3.  If they are squaddies then that's great.  What is more epic, Tali following you around or Tali showing up at the final battle with the entire quarian fleet yelling "Keelah'Selai!" Image IPB

While your logic is sound, there are other ways to go about it than to dispatch all your trusted teammates going off and doing their own thing.  

For that matter, IF everyone goes away...the game would essentially consist of recruiting characters for 80% of the game...AGAIN.  This is supposed to be the finale of an epic trilogy and I'm going to be recruiting new squadmates for most of my time?  Forget that!


ME3 becomes ME2.5. I think Jean would want to go into the battle with Tali at his side, like I would go with Miri and Garrus on our side. Just because you have not built connections to the characters does not mean no one else has.

This is true.  I would much rather go into battle with my "friends" than I would with a whole bunch of new guys I just met.  Granted, I became very good friends with the ME2 squadmates that I just met, but that's heavily because they're all hinted at playing a MASSIVE role in ME3.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

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kraidy1117 wrote...

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Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  


making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.


You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.


No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.


Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

I've explained why I don't think the ME2 squad should come back as permanent squadmates in ME3.  If they are squaddies then that's great.  What is more epic, Tali following you around or Tali showing up at the final battle with the entire quarian fleet yelling "Keelah'Selai!" Image IPB

While your logic is sound, there are other ways to go about it than to dispatch all your trusted teammates going off and doing their own thing.  

For that matter, IF everyone goes away...the game would essentially consist of recruiting characters for 80% of the game...AGAIN.  This is supposed to be the finale of an epic trilogy and I'm going to be recruiting new squadmates for most of my time?  Forget that!


ME3 becomes ME2.5. I think Jean would want to go into the battle with Tali at his side, like I would go with Miri and Garrus on our side. Just because you have not built connections to the characters does not mean no one else has.

This is true.  I would much rather go into battle with my "friends" than I would with a whole bunch of new guys I just met.  Granted, I became very good friends with the ME2 squadmates that I just met, but that's heavily because they're all hinted at playing a MASSIVE role in ME3.


Not to mention we helped them though difficult times. As I said. I would trust Garrus then anyone on the ship, and I want to finsih the fight with Garrus and my LI (which is Miri) at my side.

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Not to mention we helped them though difficult times. As I said. I would trust Garrus then anyone on the ship, and I want to finsih the fight with Garrus and my LI (which is Miri) at my side.

A billion times this.

I just saved the reputation of Tali's father, comforted her in her time of need, started what appears to be a peace between the quarians and the geth, THEN proved to her that I love her for who she is...and she wants to run off?

WHAT? :blink:

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Not to mention we helped them though difficult times. As I said. I would trust Garrus then anyone on the ship, and I want to finsih the fight with Garrus and my LI (which is Miri) at my side.

A billion times this.

I just saved the reputation of Tali's father, comforted her in her time of need, started what appears to be a peace between the quarians and the geth, THEN proved to her that I love her for who she is...and she wants to run off?

WHAT? :blink:


Same with Miri, I laugh when people say she will betray Shepard. Shepard not only saved her sister, she also resepcts Shepard a great deal and if you are male and do her romance, she cares for you alot.. Same as people like Grunt. Shepard is pretty much Grunts father/mother.

Garrus, I can not see leaving, look when Shepard died. He was lost, he did not know what to do and he decided to lead his own group of misfits.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Not to mention we helped them though difficult times. As I said. I would trust Garrus then anyone on the ship, and I want to finsih the fight with Garrus and my LI (which is Miri) at my side.

A billion times this.

I just saved the reputation of Tali's father, comforted her in her time of need, started what appears to be a peace between the quarians and the geth, THEN proved to her that I love her for who she is...and she wants to run off?

WHAT? :blink:


I have never said "Run off."
The scenario I stated was them helping Shepard prepare for the reapers without being directly tied to the combat system.
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Solomen wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not to mention we helped them though difficult times. As I said. I would trust Garrus then anyone on the ship, and I want to finsih the fight with Garrus and my LI (which is Miri) at my side.

A billion times this.

I just saved the reputation of Tali's father, comforted her in her time of need, started what appears to be a peace between the quarians and the geth, THEN proved to her that I love her for who she is...and she wants to run off?

WHAT? :blink:


I have never said "Run off."
The scenario I stated was them helping Shepard prepare for the reapers without being directly tied to the combat system.
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True, but you're essentially arguing semantics here.  Going off and doing her own thing for the majority of the game is, for all purposes, "running off."  

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Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not to mention we helped them though difficult times. As I said. I would trust Garrus then anyone on the ship, and I want to finsih the fight with Garrus and my LI (which is Miri) at my side.

A billion times this.

I just saved the reputation of Tali's father, comforted her in her time of need, started what appears to be a peace between the quarians and the geth, THEN proved to her that I love her for who she is...and she wants to run off?

WHAT? :blink:


I have never said "Run off."
The scenario I stated was them helping Shepard prepare for the reapers without being directly tied to the combat system.
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True, but you're essentially arguing semantics here.  Going off and doing her own thing for the majority of the game is, for all purposes, "running off."  


As much as I am not a big fan of the Talifanbase( there are some fans tha tare realy cool) Tali getting that treatment is not smart and would be stupid. As I have said so many times, if Liara, Ash or Kaidan are sqaudmates then Miri, Garrus, Jack, Tali, Thane and Jacob will be recruitable.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign


Aww are you upset because your little blue alien was not a squadmate? Get used to it, giving ME2 sqaudmates a M treatment in ME3, the last of the trilogy is so stupid and selfish.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign

You seem to be forgetting the fact that you were DEAD for two years and working with Cerberus, a known terrorist group.  How can it possibly surprise you that half your squad was either too busy or too emotionally distraught to join you at the time?

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It would probably be better if Shepard made a new team for the reaper assault while the surviving team from ME2 ran around on seperate but equally important quests.  That way they can have epic cameos in the final battle without draining resources for the main game.  If they died in ME2 then it would be some other character taking their place. 
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I agree but I dont think its better its just easier to make the game to keep consistency.  I posted about this months ago and some people really really didnt like that idea.  :)  btw I only read OP

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Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign


How would this be cost effective

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Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign


They're acting like there isn't a precedent for bioware doing this.  Only this time the characters will be loyal instead of whiny or obsessive Image IPB
They also act like a npc role is a bit part.  TIM was an npc. Image IPB

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign


How would this be cost effective

It wouldn't.  I'm normally not one to generalize but these people who are so pissed off about ME1 character treatment in ME2 need to get the hell off their high horse and stop being so selfish.  We get it, you're upset.  That was Bioware's decision in order to keep those characters alive for ME3, which is a damned good reason for them to be busy.

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?


And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign


How would this be cost effective


pst some people on this board are stupid when it comes to buisness, they think that games are easy and free to make and that VAs don't need money.

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No longer needed. Move right along.

Modifié par CTM1, 12 avril 2010 - 05:22 .