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[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?

And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign

How would this be cost effective

It wouldn't.  I'm normally not one to generalize but these people who are so pissed off about ME1 character treatment in ME2 need to get the hell off their high horse and stop being so selfish.  We get it, you're upset.  That was Bioware's decision in order to keep those characters alive for ME3, which is a damned good reason for them to be busy.

I am persoanly geting sick and ****en tired of the Liara fans who keep on crying.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2, I never liked Kaidan and while I liked Ash Wrex, Garrus and Tali where all better them her (holy ****, the characters that where amazing where not LI) Sorry but I rather have Legion in my swaud then Liara, Ash or Kaidan.

[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?

And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign

How would this be cost effective

It wouldn't.  I'm normally not one to generalize but these people who are so pissed off about ME1 character treatment in ME2 need to get the hell off their high horse and stop being so selfish.  We get it, you're upset.  That was Bioware's decision in order to keep those characters alive for ME3, which is a damned good reason for them to be busy.

I am persoanly geting sick and ****en tired of the Liara fans who keep on crying.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2, I never liked Kaidan and while I liked Ash Wrex, Garrus and Tali where all better them her (holy ****, the characters that where amazing where not LI) Sorry but I rather have Legion in my swaud then Liara, Ash or Kaidan.

And to serve as a counterpoint, I thought Liara, Ashley and Wrex were all very enjoyable characters.  However, I wasn't offended in the slightest by their portrayal because Bioware gave excellent reasons for them to behave as they did.  Wrex was busy uniting the clans (important), Liara was hunting down the Shadow Broker (important), and Ashley/Kaiden were too emotionally distraught to join you at the time (understandable).

[kraidy1117]

CTM1 wrote...

Re-posting; appears to have been ignored.

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.

No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.

Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.

[Nozybidaj]

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sorry but I rather go into the battle with Garrus and Miri at my side then some new person. So as I said, how about you go to hell?

And I wanted to go into ME2 with the folks from ME1 by my side rather than some new person.  How'd that turn out? 

I'm totally fine with the ME2 crew being dispersed into "important" cameo roles for ME3.

/sign

How would this be cost effective

It wouldn't.  I'm normally not one to generalize but these people who are so pissed off about ME1 character treatment in ME2 need to get the hell off their high horse and stop being so selfish.  We get it, you're upset.  That was Bioware's decision in order to keep those characters alive for ME3, which is a damned good reason for them to be busy.

I am persoanly geting sick and ****en tired of the Liara fans who keep on crying.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2, I never liked Kaidan and while I liked Ash Wrex, Garrus and Tali where all better them her (holy ****, the characters that where amazing where not LI) Sorry but I rather have Legion in my swaud then Liara, Ash or Kaidan.

And to serve as a counterpoint, I thought Liara, Ashley and Wrex were all very enjoyable characters.  However, I wasn't offended in the slightest by their portrayal because Bioware gave excellent reasons for them to behave as they did.  Wrex was busy uniting the clans (important), Liara was hunting down the Shadow Broker (important), and Ashley/Kaiden were too emotionally distraught to join you at the time (understandable).

Well it makes sence with Kaidan/Ash. Here comes the person you loved who has been dead for two years, is working for Cerberus and does not even contact you. Yet people think they should have been like "Yay your back, lets go and kill some Collectors" Also both Wrex and Liara regret not being able top join you.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

It won't happen because if I recall ME3 is the last in the trilogy, ME2 was the middle, so giving lIara a cameo is fine, but not in the final act. Why not you go cry somewhere else.

[Solomen]

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

Re-posting; appears to have been ignored.

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.

No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.

Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.

My post is legitimate.  You calling me a troll is trollish behavior

There are ways to work this out so everyone is happy.  Name calling is not one of them

[JeanLuc761]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

Oh god here we go again <_<

To put it bluntly: stop whining.  There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in ME2), and Bioware has GUARANTEED that they'll play a major role in Mass Effect 3.  And you're using that as justification for Bioware to screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2 characters?

Grow up.

[CTM1]

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it..

Which I never disagreed with, and in fact stated myself. At least try to make it look like you bothered reading, kraidy1117. 

Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money.

Again, this was never my point (nor Peppard's, the person whose argument I was attempting to clarify). Once again proving you did not bother reading. Is it really that hard?

Try again. If you are going to bother responding to this argument, at least make
the effort.

Modifié par CTM1, 12 avril 2010 - 05:33 .

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why dont we just bookmark this till ME3 comes out. And then we can have a huge i told you so post fest

[kraidy1117]

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

Re-posting; appears to have been ignored.

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.

No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.

Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.

My post is legitimate.  You calling me a troll is trollish behavior

There are ways to work this out so everyone is happy.  Name calling is not one of them

Do you know what a troll is? A troll is a person who post something with the intention of getting a rise out of people. Posting somethingl ike this (which has been posted so much to begin with) and is also very senstive will ****** people off. Thats what a troll is and you are being one.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

If we would look at it objectively Garrus and Tali were the easy ones to hold over from ME 1.  HOwever in the case of ME 3 objectively the ones most likely to come back would be based on Bioware Trends

1.Liara
2.Garrus
3.Miranda
4.Jacob
5.Grunt

Now that would still be problematic from a cost issue because you'd waste a lot of VA talent.  And bringing back the others would not be so problematic.

EXCEPT:

In the case of the Alliance Marine, the writers at Bioware has created a huge problem in relation to those characters

[Nozybidaj]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

Oh god here we go again <_<

To put it bluntly: stop whining.  There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in ME2), and Bioware has GUARANTEED that they'll play a major role in Mass Effect 3.  And you're using that as justification for Bioware to screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2 characters?

Grow up.

If, as you said, "There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in ME2)" and you enjoyed their appearance in ME2 and thought it was well done, why would you consider it to be "screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2" if the ME2 characters received the same sort of "important roles" come ME3? 

Your contraditicing points are rather hard to rationalize.  I wouldn't consider it "screwing people over" to give these characters such meaningful and well thought out roles in ME3.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 12 avril 2010 - 05:24 .

[kraidy1117]

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it..

Which I never disagreed with, and in fact stated myself. At least try to make it look like you bothered reading, kraidy1117.

Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money.

Again, this was never my point (nor Peppard's). Once again proving you did not bother reading.

Try again.

Your post is uselss,  give them an importent cameo is that, an cameo. People don't want that. It's plain and simple.  They even try that crap and I will not buy ME3 nor will alot of people, hurting ME3 big time.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

Oh god here we go again <_<

To put it bluntly: stop whining.  There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in ME2), and Bioware has GUARANTEED that they'll play a major role in Mass Effect 3.  And you're using that as justification for Bioware to screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2 characters?

Grow up.

If, as you said, "There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I
could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in
ME2)" and you enjoyed their appearance in ME2 and thought it was well done, why would you consider it to be "screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2" if the ME2 characters received the same sort of "important roles" come ME3? 

Your contraditicing points are rather hard to rationalize.  I wouldn't consider it "screwing people over" to give these characters such meaningful and well thought out roles in ME3.

Aw does the baby want some cheese to go with that whine.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 12 avril 2010 - 05:24 .

[Solomen]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

Re-posting; appears to have been ignored.

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.

No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.

Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.

My post is legitimate.  You calling me a troll is trollish behavior

There are ways to work this out so everyone is happy.  Name calling is not one of them

Do you know what a troll is? A troll is a person who post something with the intention of getting a rise out of people. Posting somethingl ike this (which has been posted so much to begin with) and is also very senstive will ****** people off. Thats what a troll is and you are being one.

I posted my opinion and my reason for that opinion and was polite about it.  You on the other hand are being rude, offensive, and generally unpleasant.

[Nozybidaj]

Solomen wrote...

I posted my opinion and my reason for that opinion and was polite about it.  You on the other hand are being rude, offensive, and generally unpleasant.

Hehe, welcome to the BW forums.  Enjoy your stay.

[JeanLuc761]

Nozybidaj wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
.I never liked Liara, hell I liked her in ME2,

And if you like Miranda now, just imagine how much more you will like her in ME3 when she gets the same kind of role and changes that Liara got in ME2.  I'm just trying to make sure you get the chance to enjoy the same type of character progression fans of ME1 characters got.  I wouldn't want you to feel like you got cheated out of that come ME3.

Oh god here we go again <_<

To put it bluntly: stop whining.  There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in ME2), and Bioware has GUARANTEED that they'll play a major role in Mass Effect 3.  And you're using that as justification for Bioware to screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2 characters?

Grow up.

If, as you said, "There was nothing offensive about the ME1 character portrayal that I
could see (I romanced Liara and I was perfectly fine with her role in
ME2)" and you enjoyed their appearance in ME2 and thought it was well done, why would you consider it to be "screw over every single fan of Mass Effect 2" if the ME2 characters received the same sort of "important roles" come ME3? 

Your contraditicing points are rather hard to rationalize.  I wouldn't consider it "screwing people over" to give these characters such meaningful and well thought out roles in ME3.

I know you're trolling me (whether intentional or not, that's what you're doing).  However, there's one very good reason as to why your definition of a "meaningful and well thought out role," aka cameo, wouldn't work in Mass Effect 3: It's the finale.  In a bridge of a trilogy (ME2), it's perfectly acceptable to divide character responsibility and subplots in order to tie them up in the ending.  It is NOT acceptable to divide character responsibility in the finale because that removes all possibility of closure.

[kraidy1117]

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Solomen wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

Re-posting; appears to have been ignored.

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

CTM1 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Peppard wrote...

Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  

making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.

No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.

Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.

My post is legitimate.  You calling me a troll is trollish behavior

There are ways to work this out so everyone is happy.  Name calling is not one of them

Do you know what a troll is? A troll is a person who post something with the intention of getting a rise out of people. Posting somethingl ike this (which has been posted so much to begin with) and is also very senstive will ****** people off. Thats what a troll is and you are being one.

I posted my opinion and my reason for that opinion and was polite about it.  You on the other hand are being rude, offensive, and generally unpleasant.

It's called use the search button. This has been posted everytime and it has never ended up good. Posting something like this agin shows you are being a troll and wasnt to get a rise out of people. Congrats, you got it from alot of people.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Actually I take what I said back, having Garrus recruit-able in ME 2 wouldn't make sense in the list I put up. Nevermind the list of characters I put up holds little weight now because then I could easily add Legion and Samara/Morinth to that list.

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I know you're trolling me (whether intentional or not, that's what you're doing).  However, there's one very good reason as to why your definition of a "meaningful and well thought out role," aka cameo, wouldn't work in Mass Effect 3: It's the finale.  In a bridge of a trilogy (ME2), it's perfectly acceptable to divide character responsibility and subplots in order to tie them up in the ending.  It is NOT acceptable to divide character responsibility in the finale because that removes all possibility of closure.

Why isn't it acceptable?  Why couldn't you have closure?

As the OP suggested they could all be off doing important things and playing crucial roles for the final battle.  Just because they don't play a major role (as far as screen time goes) or serve as squad mates in ME3 doesn't mean there can't be closure given on their story lines.

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Ya know, threads like this seem to pop up in this forum on a regular basis, and they all end the same way.



Also, keep the current squad, just find a way to throw Ash/Kaiden and or Liara into the mix.

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Yes, so that's why I tried to suggest an idea of how the "returning" characters could be given full stories and combat profiles.   They could also just not make new characters, of course, but some players are as eager for a batarian squad member or something new for the sake of new, or b/c they lost everyone, as other players are for a fitting, well developed close to the story of the characters we've already met.    If BW is trying to choose how to devote the budget, my suggestion was, if anyone is going to get stuck with a bit part, make it the inevitable new characters instead of the old ones.  
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making new squadmates would take alot more money then using the old characters, and not to mention if Bioware even tries to pull that ME3 sales will be very poor. Alot of ME fans will not buy ME3 if we get a new squad and ME2 gets crappy cameos. I sure as hell won't buy it, no matter how much the story rock or if the gameplay is epic. Bioware giving us a whole new squad is Bioware telling us that ME2 was a complete waste of time.

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You did not read what Peppard said, kraidy1117. Made all the stranger in that it was the final sentence in his post, something I think would be more of an eye-catcher. Try again.

He isn't talking about giving Mass Effect 2 characters the shaft. He's talking about one way Bioware could work in new characters compared to the old ones. A proposal that in fact favors the latter.
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No one wants new characters. Judging by the huge support threads, polls and the hostile that this guy is getting no one wants any. You might but alot of people don't. I as sure as hell don't If you lost people in ME2 it should bite you in the ass, if you just get a replacement, then the whole suicide was a gimick and a waste of time.[/quote]

Who says they have to be replacements? You don't know how the squadmate dynamic will play out in the third game at all. The new characters could exist in roles that would have been there regardless of whether or not your entire crew from the second survived. Roles that are, quite possibly, bit parts, as Peppard put it. (However, it is just one idea in the sea of ideas floating around these forums.)

You're assuming quite a lot when you make statements like that. As are many others in this thread. While assuming how things will work because of what you see in front of you (Mass Effect 2) is never always a bad idea, it's also often misleading or deceiving. The entire crew could return just as you think...but it might do so in stages. Missions that aren't character-specific (assuming such missions existed) would still be there, but would require you to seek out temporary squadmates in order to complete them. If you lost your whole crew, these missions would still obviously exist. You catch my drift?

While I do not necessarily agree with the OP, do not be so quick to jump at everyone providing an idea in this thread. They are not all the same, nor do they necessarily give the same end result - no matter how much you see otherwise.

I believe the majority opinion is the more simpler wish that Bioware gives Mass Effect 2's characters major roles in the third game. Adding new characters does not have to contest this wish. Nor does it automatically mean rewarding players who killed everyone. You create a false dichotomy by insisting on making things black or white.

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You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it.. Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money. Only the cry babies and people like the oP (who is a troll because he wanted a rise out of people and he got it) don't.

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My post is legitimate.  You calling me a troll is trollish behavior

There are ways to work this out so everyone is happy.  Name calling is not one of them
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Do you know what a troll is? A troll is a person who post something with the intention of getting a rise out of people. Posting somethingl ike this (which has been posted so much to begin with) and is also very senstive will ****** people off. Thats what a troll is and you are being one.

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I posted my opinion and my reason for that opinion and was polite about it.  You on the other hand are being rude, offensive, and generally unpleasant. [/quote]

It's called use the search button. This has been posted everytime and it has never ended up good. Posting something like this agin shows you are being a troll and wasnt to get a rise out of people. Congrats, you got it from alot of people.

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Im quoting this because of ridiculousness

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Shouldn't have to do this again, but I guess people are generally too lazy to avoid pointless pyramid quotes.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

You do know, no gives a flying **** right?People want ME2 squadmates to be squadmates in ME3, thats all there is too it..

Which I never disagreed with, and in fact stated myself. At least try to make it look like you bothered reading, kraidy1117. 

Bioware not doing that is just being lazy and will make them lose money.

Again, this was never my point (nor Peppard's, the person whose argument I was attempting to clarify). Once again proving you did not bother reading. Is it really that hard?

Try again. If you are going to bother responding to this argument, at least make the effort.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Ya know, threads like this seem to pop up in this forum on a regular basis, and they all end the same way.

Also, keep the current squad, just find a way to throw Ash/Kaiden and or Liara into the mix.

We'll get a few more, we are just starting to get the ZOMG ME 2 IS NOT RPGEE? threads coming over from the no spoiler to the spoiler forum.  I'd much rather have this debate as its more plausible than a debate that makes very little sense as people's interpretation of what an RPG is seems to be completely random.