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[MajesticJazz]

bthillman wrote...


...Now that I am done being logical, I have to say... Because he's black?  Really?  What year is it again?

I apologize, but it had to be said.

The year is 2010 and yet there is a thread floating around called "Things you wished Jacob would have said" or something to that nature. In this thread, 90% of the responses were lines that are seen as "african-american stereotype". Example, one person replied saying that he wished Jacob would have said "Wheres the watermelon, fried chicken, and collard greens?" or something to that nature.

The thread was nothing but a bunch of people releasing their inner thoughts as to what Jacob should have been like or said. I know most of it was jokes, but they were very offensive to me. And you ask what year it is? It is 2010 and yet that "Things you wished Jacob would have said" thread proves that in 2010, we have really gotten nowhere when it comes to dealing with race.

No need to apologize...welcome to North America.

[bgreenroy]

ILALQ wrote...

Madi wrote...
Jacob is a relatively basic
character with nothing incredibly interesting about him..."

You said it right there. Honestly, he could have been one of the best characters in the game had be been fleshed out more. The ball got dropped on Jacob - multiple times. He's boring (for the most part), has a TERRIBLE romance, and no reason to interact with him is ever really given. It also doesn't help that my femshep seems like she wants to jump him every time she says a word to him.  He has potential though, and hopefully he won't be so flat if he returns in ME3.

exactly!!


ps. and Madi, are you freaking serious dude? that is the stupidest thing ever.

[AZ RUSH]

One thing to say about this forum:

[this isnt my name]

MajesticJazz wrote...

bthillman wrote...


...Now that I am done being logical, I have to say... Because he's black?  Really?  What year is it again?

I apologize, but it had to be said.

The year is 2010 and yet there is a thread floating around called "Things you wished Jacob would have said" or something to that nature. In this thread, 90% of the responses were lines that are seen as "african-american stereotype". Example, one person replied saying that he wished Jacob would have said "Wheres the watermelon, fried chicken, and collard greens?" or something to that nature.

The thread was nothing but a bunch of people releasing their inner thoughts as to what Jacob should have been like or said. I know most of it was jokes, but they were very offensive to me. And you ask what year it is? It is 2010 and yet that "Things you wished Jacob would have said" thread proves that in 2010, we have really gotten nowhere when it comes to dealing with race.

No need to apologize...welcome to North America.

Yeah but the thing is I dont go by the steryotype, and yet most threads I see say I dont understand black guys, so thats a steryotype, booth sides are using steryontypes and both sides should be less ignorant, no its not north america its the internet were being an **** is the popular thing to do, even when people know its bad they still do it to get a few lols from the other idiots. I find it offensive that im a steryotype thats pretty much racist, homophobic idiots. Its 2010 if you think relations havent improved your an idiot.

[Schroing]

I didn't like Carth. I didn't like Kaidan. I didn't like "Atton Rand" (actually had to look him up). I don't like Jacob.



They're bland-ass characters, simple as that.

[TheLostGenius]

Did you notice that their were no Asian squad member's until Kasumi? The Salarian doesn't count.

[TheLostGenius]

Jacob is pretty boring to be fair. Though, besides some of her storytelling I found Samara to be somewhat insipid. Her "rules of conduct" lacks logic, and seems forced to be used as a plot mechanism, rather than a system of rules or ethics. To that effect she annoyed me with her hypcrosy. Morinth is a better character. Way more interesting and totally evil.

[Schroing]

Beholderess wrote...

3) So the question stands - WHY was he he designed that way? Why, of all the squadmates, he is both moral and issues-free?
4) Because if he was written in any other way, we would have a storm of accusations in racism much greater than we have now. If a black person was portayed as something other than a good man without much troubles - lol, I am almost sure that someone whold have sued Bioware=)
5) Imagine the kind of threads we'd have if the game's resident abused-child-turned-psycho-criminal was black? Or Cerberus cheerleader with huge...ahem...accets? Or assassin, raised from the birth to serve as his masters' weapon? Or an amoral mercenary? Lol, if any of these were made black, we would be deaf from the cries "Racist!"
6) So that's why Jacob is designed as he is - to avoid such accusations. Ironic, isn't it?

Psycho

Servant

Cheerleader


etc.

[TheLostGenius]

Schroing wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

3) So the question stands - WHY was he he designed that way? Why, of all the squadmates, he is both moral and issues-free?
4) Because if he was written in any other way, we would have a storm of accusations in racism much greater than we have now. If a black person was portayed as something other than a good man without much troubles - lol, I am almost sure that someone whold have sued Bioware=)
5) Imagine the kind of threads we'd have if the game's resident abused-child-turned-psycho-criminal was black? Or Cerberus cheerleader with huge...ahem...accets? Or assassin, raised from the birth to serve as his masters' weapon? Or an amoral mercenary? Lol, if any of these were made black, we would be deaf from the cries "Racist!"
6) So that's why Jacob is designed as he is - to avoid such accusations. Ironic, isn't it?

Psycho

Servant

Cheerleader


etc.

What about Barret from FFVII? Even Sazh from FFXIII isn't stereotyped, except for the Afro, but thats a hairstyle thing, not a derugatory thing.

[Schroing]

"etc."

[mortons4ck]

I think this thread is vehemently unfair to my Commander Shepard. Commander Shepard is not racist and he tried very hard to improve race relations on the ship.



But Jacob would have none of it.

Modifié par mortons4ck, 18 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[Madi]

this isnt my name wrote...

Madi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

JKoopman wrote...


Dude, the way you go on about what "whites" like and what "whites" understand and what "whites" are comfortable with, it sounds to me like you're  the racist here. Don't think you can understand and define an entire race of people under one set of principles any more than I can say "Blacks only like Miranda because of her boot-ay".

It is very typical to counter against someone by blaming them for the subject matter at hand. Do I think that all White people on this board who dislike Jacob are racist and dislike him for his skin color? No, but I do believe that there are A LOT, not a small percentage, not a minority, not A LITTLE, but A LOT of white people in this board who dislike Jacob because of his dark skin tone.

Again, many would hide behind the "Jacob is boring" excuse, but yet nobody is answering my question as to if that was the truth, then why did Jacob recieve so much negative comments BEFORE the game game out? Before the game came out people didn't know how boring or exciting he was. He could have been a boring character, or the most interesting party member Bioware has ever created. We didnt know that about Jacob but yet he sure did get a lot of negative vibes and attention. One example would be prior to when the game was released, some people tried to create Jacob romance threads but before they got to a page 2, the conversation became a "Lets make ebonics jokes about What Jacob might say in a romance situation etc...." or "The Illusive man must got hit with affirmative action..." or crap like that. MIND YOU that this is PRIOR to the game releasing.

Well the OP didn't say that the people who dislike Jacob are necesarilly racist . I do agree with you on most of your points though. There's even a few of those racist "affirmative action" jokes in this thread. It really is a shame if there were threads like the ones you described before the game even came out.  Pretty disturbing

Seriously? I never even heard about that

Yet you still decided I hate Jacob because he is black...<_<

I don't remember decideding that you hated anything but I do believe that there are a lot of people that may have had a much better reaction to Jacob if that wasn't a factor. What difference does it make whether or not I knew about those threads anyway?  Do you even have an opinion about those ealier threads or did you just want to take a jab at me? 

[Slayer299]

I don't remember decideding that you hated anything but I do believe that there are a lot of people that may have had a much better reaction to Jacob if that wasn't a factor. What difference does it make whether or not I knew about those threads anyway?  Do you even have an opinion about those ealier threads or did you just want to take a jab at me? 

But where do you get the view that it was a decision based on Jacob's skin color and not his boring personality and creepy romance that was the determining factor in whether people like Jacob or not? I know I haven't seen anything to like that in this thread

(edit: question was missing)

Modifié par Slayer299, 18 avril 2010 - 05:03 .

[bthillman]

this isnt my name wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

bthillman wrote...


...Now that I am done being logical, I have to say... Because he's black?  Really?  What year is it again?

I apologize, but it had to be said.

The year is 2010 and yet there is a thread floating around called "Things you wished Jacob would have said" or something to that nature. In this thread, 90% of the responses were lines that are seen as "african-american stereotype". Example, one person replied saying that he wished Jacob would have said "Wheres the watermelon, fried chicken, and collard greens?" or something to that nature.

The thread was nothing but a bunch of people releasing their inner thoughts as to what Jacob should have been like or said. I know most of it was jokes, but they were very offensive to me. And you ask what year it is? It is 2010 and yet that "Things you wished Jacob would have said" thread proves that in 2010, we have really gotten nowhere when it comes to dealing with race.

No need to apologize...welcome to North America.

Yeah but the thing is I dont go by the steryotype, and yet most threads I see say I dont understand black guys, so thats a steryotype, booth sides are using steryontypes and both sides should be less ignorant, no its not north america its the internet were being an **** is the popular thing to do, even when people know its bad they still do it to get a few lols from the other idiots. I find it offensive that im a steryotype thats pretty much racist, homophobic idiots. Its 2010 if you think relations havent improved your an idiot.

Alright, I see where you're coming from.  Stereotyping, however you want to look at it, exists no matter the era, area you are in, and regardless of race, gender, or age.  There is a stereotype for EVERY group out there, and for what it's worth, many people find them to be humorous.  Look at famous comedians, example.  Carlos Mencia rips on all racial backgrounds, especially his own.  The Blue Colar comedians use the 'Redneck' stereotyping.  Dave Chapelle also uses race/gender for many of his skits.  Now, I'm not saying that I agree with it/ it's right and/or wrong, I'm only tyring to say that is the culture that we live in.  And I think that the fact that we can laugh about it is important, and shows how far we have developed.  

Please don't take this as me trying to be rude/argumentative, I am just giving my opinion.  And, I know ideas on this subject may be different depending on where and how you grew up.

...Anyone else reminded of a song?  www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par bthillman, 18 avril 2010 - 05:45 .

[this isnt my name]

Madi wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Madi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

JKoopman wrote...


Dude, the way you go on about what "whites" like and what "whites" understand and what "whites" are comfortable with, it sounds to me like you're  the racist here. Don't think you can understand and define an entire race of people under one set of principles any more than I can say "Blacks only like Miranda because of her boot-ay".

It is very typical to counter against someone by blaming them for the subject matter at hand. Do I think that all White people on this board who dislike Jacob are racist and dislike him for his skin color? No, but I do believe that there are A LOT, not a small percentage, not a minority, not A LITTLE, but A LOT of white people in this board who dislike Jacob because of his dark skin tone.

Again, many would hide behind the "Jacob is boring" excuse, but yet nobody is answering my question as to if that was the truth, then why did Jacob recieve so much negative comments BEFORE the game game out? Before the game came out people didn't know how boring or exciting he was. He could have been a boring character, or the most interesting party member Bioware has ever created. We didnt know that about Jacob but yet he sure did get a lot of negative vibes and attention. One example would be prior to when the game was released, some people tried to create Jacob romance threads but before they got to a page 2, the conversation became a "Lets make ebonics jokes about What Jacob might say in a romance situation etc...." or "The Illusive man must got hit with affirmative action..." or crap like that. MIND YOU that this is PRIOR to the game releasing.

Well the OP didn't say that the people who dislike Jacob are necesarilly racist . I do agree with you on most of your points though. There's even a few of those racist "affirmative action" jokes in this thread. It really is a shame if there were threads like the ones you described before the game even came out.  Pretty disturbing

Seriously? I never even heard about that

Yet you still decided I hate Jacob because he is black...<_<

I don't remember decideding that you hated anything but I do believe that there are a lot of people that may have had a much better reaction to Jacob if that wasn't a factor. What difference does it make whether or not I knew about those threads anyway?  Do you even have an opinion about those ealier threads or did you just want to take a jab at me? 

No but since you didnt know of them it just means you had less reason to say it, and yes it was a jab at you, im not going to lie.  Um you said how people dont like Jacob because he is black, and by people white gamers... yeah so because im white and he is black I dont understand him. I took a jab at you and am not very friendly because to me that says because im white I dont understand someone who is of a different skin colour. So your just saying a steryotype dosent get along well with another steryotype. I have 2 friends who are black, they dont act any different to others, so anone who says I treat people differently based on race is wrong. So you just cause problems by making a steryotype and I dont like steryotypes. What ou say can actually encourage racism seeing as you are creating steryotypes, which just fuels racism. Why cant you accept his skin colour ment nothing, I hated Kaiden and Jacob you admit jacob has a bad personality leave it at that because his looks mean nothing, anyone who judges based on skincolour is an idiot simple as. Oh and you being biracial dosent stop you being racist, people can be racist even if they are practically the same e.g wales and england.

[TheLostGenius]

All else equal the only thing about Jacob that bothers me is his skin color. Obviously their is nothing disinteresting about him as a character.

[Astranagant]

Schroing wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

3) So the question stands - WHY was he he designed that way? Why, of all the squadmates, he is both moral and issues-free?
4) Because if he was written in any other way, we would have a storm of accusations in racism much greater than we have now. If a black person was portayed as something other than a good man without much troubles - lol, I am almost sure that someone whold have sued Bioware=)
5) Imagine the kind of threads we'd have if the game's resident abused-child-turned-psycho-criminal was black? Or Cerberus cheerleader with huge...ahem...accets? Or assassin, raised from the birth to serve as his masters' weapon? Or an amoral mercenary? Lol, if any of these were made black, we would be deaf from the cries "Racist!"
6) So that's why Jacob is designed as he is - to avoid such accusations. Ironic, isn't it?

Psycho

Whoa, whoa, hold on there, son.

The Demoman in TF2 is not remotely qualified for that kind of stereotype.

He blew up his own parents and lost his eye in a failed attempt to blow up the Loch Ness Monster. He doesn't hear voices, and he's one of the most socially capable characters in the cast. He's downright normal in the WAR update comics. Whereas the Soldier is genuinely insane.

[RayneMoon]

Yeah I just don't like Jacob because he bored me to tears...
I actually thought he was going to be relatively interesting at the start of the game.
I talked to him regularly 2 times, until he started bringing up the whole romance thing.
I didn't even know him well enough, and he wants to talk about that? Major turn off.
His romance was about as deep as a rain puddle and I hated the voice that femshep would make
when "talking" with him. 
I was excited to have him, and then realized he was about as intersting as watching paint dry.
I really did want to like him, because I was so desperate for a romance with a good human male.
Especially after the whole Kaiden thing... But it wasn't meant to be. Bioware made the most forgettably boring character. Which surprised me, mainly because Bioware makes great characters.

[eldav]

Aw man.....black character....dude thats just pixels.

as i have stated in my own thread i hate Jacob cos he is such a moralist and a hypocrit,and if he was fully fleshed out he would be like Carth from kotor.



Jacob maybe are the only black character all the way from final fantasy 7 that aint stereotypical,

and i like it......alldo i do hate him as a character.

[Keldon Northwind]

The one and single reason I dislike Jacob: He's a crap character. He could be blue, green, yellow, whatever, doesn't bloody matter. His skills are bland and useless. That's it. No more, no less.



"I'm a powerful biotic." Yeah. You know Pull. Grats.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Also he disrespects Thane for being a assassin... while he is working for CERBERUS... : /

[Tilarta]

Initially, I didn't notice him all that much, because he was hard to draw out in conversation, so I gave up.

But somehow, during my second playthrough, I managed to get him talking.

That's when I found out what a cool guy he was.

"We live, we'll get loud, and we'll spill some drinks on the Citadel".

[Skilled Seeker]

Jacob REALLY isn't as bad as you people make him out to be. Sure Bioware could have done a better job but he still has more personality than say Marcus Fenix. I suggest you go through his entire conversation tree and bring him along for every mission in a playthrough. You'll realise he isn't so bad and does have issues except he keeps them bottled up so they aren't so transparent. Jacob's main issues are trust and doubt.

[Madi]

this isnt my name wrote...

Madi wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Madi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

JKoopman wrote...


Dude, the way you go on about what "whites" like and what "whites" understand and what "whites" are comfortable with, it sounds to me like you're  the racist here. Don't think you can understand and define an entire race of people under one set of principles any more than I can say "Blacks only like Miranda because of her boot-ay".

It is very typical to counter against someone by blaming them for the subject matter at hand. Do I think that all White people on this board who dislike Jacob are racist and dislike him for his skin color? No, but I do believe that there are A LOT, not a small percentage, not a minority, not A LITTLE, but A LOT of white people in this board who dislike Jacob because of his dark skin tone.

Again, many would hide behind the "Jacob is boring" excuse, but yet nobody is answering my question as to if that was the truth, then why did Jacob recieve so much negative comments BEFORE the game game out? Before the game came out people didn't know how boring or exciting he was. He could have been a boring character, or the most interesting party member Bioware has ever created. We didnt know that about Jacob but yet he sure did get a lot of negative vibes and attention. One example would be prior to when the game was released, some people tried to create Jacob romance threads but before they got to a page 2, the conversation became a "Lets make ebonics jokes about What Jacob might say in a romance situation etc...." or "The Illusive man must got hit with affirmative action..." or crap like that. MIND YOU that this is PRIOR to the game releasing.

Well the OP didn't say that the people who dislike Jacob are necesarilly racist . I do agree with you on most of your points though. There's even a few of those racist "affirmative action" jokes in this thread. It really is a shame if there were threads like the ones you described before the game even came out.  Pretty disturbing

Seriously? I never even heard about that

Yet you still decided I hate Jacob because he is black...<_<

I don't remember decideding that you hated anything but I do believe that there are a lot of people that may have had a much better reaction to Jacob if that wasn't a factor. What difference does it make whether or not I knew about those threads anyway?  Do you even have an opinion about those ealier threads or did you just want to take a jab at me? 

No but since you didnt know of them it just means you had less reason to say it, and yes it was a jab at you, im not going to lie.  Um you said how people dont like Jacob because he is black, and by people white gamers... yeah so because im white and he is black I dont understand him. I took a jab at you and am not very friendly because to me that says because im white I dont understand someone who is of a different skin colour. So your just saying a steryotype dosent get along well with another steryotype. I have 2 friends who are black, they dont act any different to others, so anone who says I treat people differently based on race is wrong. So you just cause problems by making a steryotype and I dont like steryotypes. What ou say can actually encourage racism seeing as you are creating steryotypes, which just fuels racism. Why cant you accept his skin colour ment nothing, I hated Kaiden and Jacob you admit jacob has a bad personality leave it at that because his looks mean nothing, anyone who judges based on skincolour is an idiot simple as. Oh and you being biracial dosent stop you being racist, people can be racist even if they are practically the same e.g wales and england.

Since you insist on continuing to say i said things i didn't say (which i highlighted) and apparently missed the main point i was trying to make let me just ask you a question. Do you think it's just a big coincidence that 99 % of lead characters are white?  (i.e. Nathan Drake from Uncharted, Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell, Marcus Phoenix from Gears of War,  Default Shepard FromMass Effect 1&2, etc.) How many black characters fall into that category? I think it's obvious that the overwhelming majority of lead video game charactersare white because the majority of the market is  made up of white males and the developers (who are mostly white males themselves)  understand that it's easier for them to relate better with human characters that look more like them. That's the main point I've been trying to make from the beginning.Not labeling anyone racist as some of you have incorrectly accused me of doing.

Modifié par Madi, 18 avril 2010 - 01:59 .