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[Ziggy]

there are two huge barriers that stop the jacob romance dead in its tracks:

1) How femshep talks to him - it's just embarrassing and it's like you don't have a say in it.
and if you get over that one there's always...
2) the priiiize -> goodbye jacob.

Modifié par Em23, 25 avril 2010 - 08:41 .

[Mercfh]

Jacobs my least favorite character because look at it this way:

Out of the Humans: Joker is funny. Miranda is dat ass, Kelly Chambers is dat ass, Illusive man is RAPE EYES. Zaeed is just a BAMF

The rest are interesting Aliens.



Jacob is just kinda there......in the weapons chamber. Theirs just nothing that stands out about him thats all. I dont DISLIKE him in any way. But....He's just. not interesting.

[Apollo Rising]

Aniki_21 wrote...

Okay i just went back and played through the game and as a male Shepard it just doesn't make any sense at all to me why he isn't liked. It's definitely awkward talking to him as fem Shepard but I he's just a normal cool guy when you're a guy Shepard. Weird. This extreme dislike of Jacob makes even less sense to me now.

Dont you know that a black man has to be the ole grandfatherly type or act like a fool (ala Cole Train from Gears)to be popular with the majority of "mainstream gamers". A stable non-stereotypical black man doesn't stand a chance obviously. The whole "romance" thing and "he's boring" doesn't fly with me. What makes any other teamate more exciting? Garris has hardly any convo....Thane is emo as hell....both of these guys die rather quickly in combat. I have friends that also play Mass Effect(all of us black men, 1 italian) and I brought up the whole Jacob thing and none of them understood the hate,except for the obvious answer.

[Decibelle]

I didn't think any less of Jacob for any reason, personality or race. I don't think you were given a lot of insight into the characters in ME2, some characters made a stronger appearance and some just happened to stay in the background. Jacob was a bit more of a basic-background character. Nothing striking with him, but yet, nothing repulsing either. I think he was just fine.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Apollo Rising wrote...

none of them understood the hate,except for the obvious answer.

Obvious answer: "You humans are all racist."

Why should I care about him if other characters can do everything he does, but much better? There are only 3 missions I ever had him in my team. Freedoms Progress, his loyalty mission and the last mission.
And his line "I don´t like forcing these talks"... Seriously, there are 20 other people around who I can talk to, if he doesn´t want to. So **** him, seriously.

[omgitztommy3]

I instantly disliked him when I used his Pull and he immediately said "Gravity's one mean mother, huh?!" Not trying to sound racist and stereotypical here, but he just made himself sound like a total black stereotype.

[Samurai_Wahoo]

Apollo Rising wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

Okay i just went back and played through the game and as a male Shepard it just doesn't make any sense at all to me why he isn't liked. It's definitely awkward talking to him as fem Shepard but I he's just a normal cool guy when you're a guy Shepard. Weird. This extreme dislike of Jacob makes even less sense to me now.

Dont you know that a black man has to be the ole grandfatherly type or act like a fool (ala Cole Train from Gears)to be popular with the majority of "mainstream gamers". A stable non-stereotypical black man doesn't stand a chance obviously. The whole "romance" thing and "he's boring" doesn't fly with me. What makes any other teamate more exciting? Garris has hardly any convo....Thane is emo as hell....both of these guys die rather quickly in combat. I have friends that also play Mass Effect(all of us black men, 1 italian) and I brought up the whole Jacob thing and none of them understood the hate,except for the obvious answer.

Agreed

I do not get it either.  I find that sticks out more than the rest because he is normal and the rest have become or are mental and emotional cripples.  Normal sticks out like a Geth at the Citadel..... 

I also find him better to have in a squad than most, of course it depends on my class.  He does not die all the time and I do not have to babysit him like I do with a lot of the other characters.

EDIT:  Also, who else would you want watching your back.  Miranda is way too tied to Cerebus for my liking, Jack is unstabble to put lightly, Kasumi is a thief and I have never met a theif I trusted, Zaeed is a merc, Thane is an assassin, Grunt was fixing to kill you from the get go, and  Samara lives by a strict code and I fear what would happen if her code and I do not agree.  I welcome Jacob, he was honest, up front, and those are qualities I value.

Modifié par Samurai_Wahoo, 25 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[kregano]

Here's why I'm apathetic to Jacob:

-His skill/weapon set sucks unless you mod it

-He never talks about anything interesting, like his time with the Corsairs or the ME iPhone game after you get aboard the Normandy

-His loyalty mission doesn't really do anything to develop his character

-While he can be a bro with your Shep, you rarely see any emotion from him. The most you got was from everything associated with his loyalty mission



I think the writers dropped the ball on Jacob by making his loyalty mission be another one of those "family issues" things like Thane, Miranda, and Samara's (and Tali's to a certain extent). If it had been related to his time in the Corsairs or something, it would've stood out more. Hell, his background had some interesting stuff, but they never did anything with it and Jacob turned into a bland background character that happened to have a rather iffy romance option for FemSheps.

[Ieldra]

OK, here's my take on it:



As a maleShep, Jacob is OK. He's a bit bland, but that could have been removed if only Bioware had made him talk about his Corsair days. Some personal stories would have helped immensely to make him more interesting.

I also don't think he is useless in combat. Pull is good for Warp explosions and squad incendiary ammo is good against armored enemies and in general. Jacob and Miranda make a very good team with almost any Shepard.



The romance, though, is really horrible. The first scenes are horrible because of the way femShep acts, and the "priize" scene, OK, enough said.



All in all, I don't think Jacob deserves the hate he's getting. But I'm a bit indifferent about him, and that's almost worse.

[Icinix]

I don't hate Jacob, think he's all-right, but that's the problem. He's too close to being a character like Shep, he is calm, centred, isn't easily rattled and doesn't feel the need throw his problems, history etc at you.



Every other character feels like they need have Shep with them, talking to them, doing stuff. Jacob is just doing what he does because it's the right thing to do. Because of this, he is less interesting and you don't gain anything out of using him, talking to him etc.



<SPOILERS>

Zaeed - Bad dude with heavy renegade issues, previous head of blue suns

Legion - The first Geth to be an individual

Samara - A 600 year old Biotic Justicar who has to track down and kill her own daughter

Thane - A dying assassin with regrets / remorse and trying to make amends to his son

Tali - <Left intentionally blank>

Miranda - Genetically engineered to be perfect, stole her sister away from her father.

Garrus - Former C-Sec potential Spectre, went rogue on the criminals of omega

Grunt - Genetically created Krogran from the blood lines of the finest Krogan

Kasumi - Master thief with a lost love and some awesome commentary

Jack - Biotic supersoldier twisted, tortured for years, hard as rock with a soft fragile soul

Mordin - Brilliant scientist with a crisis of faith over re-creating the genophage and its effects



JACOB - His father was psychotic, told him to stick it and got over it. Has a history, but would rather deal with the now and doesn't gloat. Laid back, tough and down to earth.



So he becomes the least interesting. It's just when put side by side with the other members of the squad, generally they stand out more. Ironically, if he had a lot more dialogue and delved into his past a little more, perhaps showed some kind of vulnerability or regret for some past event, it would have made him a lot more likeable.



Does that make sense? It's getting late, and I'm really tired.

[Jackal904]

Em23 wrote...

there are two huge barriers that stop the jacob romance dead in its tracks:

1) How femshep talks to him - it's just embarrassing and it's like you don't have a say in it.
and if you get over that one there's always...
2) the priiiize -> goodbye jacob.

Yep, this is exactly why. FemShep sounds like an amature seductress whenever she talks to Jacob, and "the priiize" line is extremely cringeworthy.

[Eradyn]

I don't dislike Jacob. I find him boring, and sometimes he's off-putting ("I don't like forcing these talks." "Meet our AI?"). He has potential to be more interesting, but Bioware never takes those steps. Most of the time he seems reluctant to speak about himself, if he does at all. Things that would be interesting? Corsairs. A hobby of his. SOMETHING.

I find he makes a better "bro" than a romance. I can't stand his lines and the handling of his romance, nor can I stand the forced nature of it (femShep: "Take me on this table, now, Jacob." Jacob: "But this is our first conversation on the Normandy!")

Ultimately, he's rather forgettable. The aliens have an automatic leg up in that they are already interesting by virtue of what they are. Couple that with strong personalities, interesting stories, established history (in the case of Garrus), a less forced-feeling romance (imo), and I'm not surprised that the maliens would be more popular than Jacob.

Not, again, to say I dislike him. I love when you finally get to that "spill some drinks on the Citadel" point.

Modifié par Eradyn, 25 avril 2010 - 03:26 .

[Polka14]

Apollo Rising wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

Okay i just went back and played through the game and as a male Shepard it just doesn't make any sense at all to me why he isn't liked. It's definitely awkward talking to him as fem Shepard but I he's just a normal cool guy when you're a guy Shepard. Weird. This extreme dislike of Jacob makes even less sense to me now.

Dont you know that a black man has to be the ole grandfatherly type or act like a fool (ala Cole Train from Gears)to be popular with the majority of "mainstream gamers". A stable non-stereotypical black man doesn't stand a chance obviously. The whole "romance" thing and "he's boring" doesn't fly with me. What makes any other teamate more exciting? Garris has hardly any convo....Thane is emo as hell....both of these guys die rather quickly in combat. I have friends that also play Mass Effect(all of us black men, 1 italian) and I brought up the whole Jacob thing and none of them understood the hate,except for the obvious answer.

I am surprised that this ridiculous thread has not derailed by now. "Obvious Answer"? Really? Well you are completely wrong in your psych analysis of this forum. People are not as fond of jacob compared to the rest of the crew because he does not speak of his backstory on the normandy and he can be seen as arragant, unsociable, and generally rude. I can not speak of the romance thing but people say it is atrocious so I would have to take their word for it. Anyway what was so obvious? Racism? Well I am sorry if you think not liking a fictional african character makes me racist considering you do not even know my race much less my understanding of foreign races so I think that makes you ignorant. Furthermore your idea that an african or african inspired character can not be liked unless the character acts a certain way is wrong too and it is another abusrd notion that everyone is racist. I do not know why you are comparing Jacob to the other crew.  The other crew members are not relevant to why people generally dislike Jacob. That is about it for now. Think about what I said...or dont.

[Aniki_21]

omgitztommy3 wrote...

I instantly disliked him when I used his Pull and he immediately said "Gravity's one mean mother, huh?!" Not trying to sound racist and stereotypical here, but he just made himself sound like a total black stereotype.

Maybe you should blame the writers for making him say that.

[Nazomi]

Polka14 wrote...

Apollo Rising wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

Okay i just went back and played through the game and as a male Shepard it just doesn't make any sense at all to me why he isn't liked. It's definitely awkward talking to him as fem Shepard but I he's just a normal cool guy when you're a guy Shepard. Weird. This extreme dislike of Jacob makes even less sense to me now.

Dont you know that a black man has to be the ole grandfatherly type or act like a fool (ala Cole Train from Gears)to be popular with the majority of "mainstream gamers". A stable non-stereotypical black man doesn't stand a chance obviously. The whole "romance" thing and "he's boring" doesn't fly with me. What makes any other teamate more exciting? Garris has hardly any convo....Thane is emo as hell....both of these guys die rather quickly in combat. I have friends that also play Mass Effect(all of us black men, 1 italian) and I brought up the whole Jacob thing and none of them understood the hate,except for the obvious answer.

I am surprised that this ridiculous thread has not derailed by now. "Obvious Answer"? Really? Well you are completely wrong in your psych analysis of this forum. People are not as fond of jacob compared to the rest of the crew because he does not speak of his backstory on the normandy and he can be seen as arragant, unsociable, and generally rude. I can not speak of the romance thing but people say it is atrocious so I would have to take their word for it. Anyway what was so obvious? Racism? Well I am sorry if you think not liking a fictional african character makes me racist considering you do not even know my race much less my understanding of foreign races so I think that makes you ignorant. Furthermore your idea that an african or african inspired character can not be liked unless the character acts a certain way is wrong too and it is another abusrd notion that everyone is racist. I do not know why you are comparing Jacob to the other crew.  The other crew members are not relevant to why people generally dislike Jacob. That is about it for now. Think about what I said...or dont.

How is it that you have come to the conclusion that the thread is ridiculous pray tell? Is it because the numerous posters who have ignored the OP's original point? Or is it because the thread topic is of a perspective different than yours?

[PTPR]

Why does this thread still exist?

Why am I bumping it?

[Sand King]

PTPR wrote...

Why does this thread still exist?
Why am I bumping it?

Indoctrination?

[Nostradamoose]

Jacob is Shepard Lite, This is sort of why people don't like him...



Hell, I never liked people acting/looking like me.

[PTPR]

Sand King wrote...

PTPR wrote...

Why does this thread still exist?
Why am I bumping it?

Indoctrination?

O.O Yes Sovereign, I will bump this thread again.  Just stop playing that stupid song! O.O

[mi55ter]

In my case, I got turned off him on my first few playthroughs after visiting him in the armoury and getting rudely turned away. Then I went and recruited totally interesting characters that I ended up trying to romance (SuZe) and spent more time getting to know them. Also he has a gigantic mouth that I can't stop looking at when he talks, I find his powers boring (squad incendiary and barrier don't really do it for me)...

I think rascism's too strong of a subject to use like you have. If you really think there is rascism in the forums, back it up with proof or quotes from Jacob bashers in other threads that mock him because of his race and no other reason.

[Nazomi]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Jacob is Shepard Lite, This is sort of why people don't like him...

Hell, I never liked people acting/looking like me.

How is he Shepard Lite? Shepard's personality is determned by the player.

[Nostradamoose]

Nazomi wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Jacob is Shepard Lite, This is sort of why people don't like him...

Hell, I never liked people acting/looking like me.

How is he Shepard Lite? Shepard's personality is determned by the player.

All right then, He is Paragon Shepard Lite, while Zaeed is Renegade Shepard Lite.

Both are heroes and both have a strong set of morals/ are pure bad ass...

[Beholderess]

Icinix wrote...

I don't hate Jacob, think he's all-right, but that's the problem. He's too close to being a character like Shep, he is calm, centred, isn't easily rattled and doesn't feel the need throw his problems, history etc at you.

Every other character feels like they need have Shep with them, talking to them, doing stuff. Jacob is just doing what he does because it's the right thing to do. Because of this, he is less interesting and you don't gain anything out of using him, talking to him etc.


Zaeed - Bad dude with heavy renegade issues, previous head of blue suns
Legion - The first Geth to be an individual
Samara - A 600 year old Biotic Justicar who has to track down and kill her own daughter
Thane - A dying assassin with regrets / remorse and trying to make amends to his son
Tali -
Miranda - Genetically engineered to be perfect, stole her sister away from her father.
Garrus - Former C-Sec potential Spectre, went rogue on the criminals of omega
Grunt - Genetically created Krogran from the blood lines of the finest Krogan
Kasumi - Master thief with a lost love and some awesome commentary
Jack - Biotic supersoldier twisted, tortured for years, hard as rock with a soft fragile soul
Mordin - Brilliant scientist with a crisis of faith over re-creating the genophage and its effects

JACOB - His father was psychotic, told him to stick it and got over it. Has a history, but would rather deal with the now and doesn't gloat. Laid back, tough and down to earth.

So he becomes the least interesting. It's just when put side by side with the other members of the squad, generally they stand out more. Ironically, if he had a lot more dialogue and delved into his past a little more, perhaps showed some kind of vulnerability or regret for some past event, it would have made him a lot more likeable.

Does that make sense? It's getting late, and I'm really tired.

Agreed completely!
again, I don't hate Jacob, but he is the least interesting of squadmates to me. Plus, he has his annoying moments (as any 3-dimencional character should), but he doesn't have anything interesting, cool or exiting to counter the annoyance.

[Polka14]

Nazomi wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Apollo Rising wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

Okay i just went back and played through the game and as a male Shepard it just doesn't make any sense at all to me why he isn't liked. It's definitely awkward talking to him as fem Shepard but I he's just a normal cool guy when you're a guy Shepard. Weird. This extreme dislike of Jacob makes even less sense to me now.

Dont you know that a black man has to be the ole grandfatherly type or act like a fool (ala Cole Train from Gears)to be popular with the majority of "mainstream gamers". A stable non-stereotypical black man doesn't stand a chance obviously. The whole "romance" thing and "he's boring" doesn't fly with me. What makes any other teamate more exciting? Garris has hardly any convo....Thane is emo as hell....both of these guys die rather quickly in combat. I have friends that also play Mass Effect(all of us black men, 1 italian) and I brought up the whole Jacob thing and none of them understood the hate,except for the obvious answer.

I am surprised that this ridiculous thread has not derailed by now. "Obvious Answer"? Really? Well you are completely wrong in your psych analysis of this forum. People are not as fond of jacob compared to the rest of the crew because he does not speak of his backstory on the normandy and he can be seen as arragant, unsociable, and generally rude. I can not speak of the romance thing but people say it is atrocious so I would have to take their word for it. Anyway what was so obvious? Racism? Well I am sorry if you think not liking a fictional african character makes me racist considering you do not even know my race much less my understanding of foreign races so I think that makes you ignorant. Furthermore your idea that an african or african inspired character can not be liked unless the character acts a certain way is wrong too and it is another abusrd notion that everyone is racist. I do not know why you are comparing Jacob to the other crew.  The other crew members are not relevant to why people generally dislike Jacob. That is about it for now. Think about what I said...or dont.

How is it that you have come to the conclusion that the thread is ridiculous pray tell? Is it because the numerous posters who have ignored the OP's original point? Or is it because the thread topic is of a perspective different than yours?

I understand the OP's point. The OP wished to say that regardless of how the FICTIONAL character "Jacob" behavior is dictated by the script, it is the underlying assertion that most people for some reason can not relate to
this character because of the real world race this (again) FICTIONAL character happens to be. Not only do I find that ridiculous but I would believe that the OP's real message which may or may not have been hidden was to call everyone who even happens to lightly dislike jacob for how the character was written as racists was even more so. The OP should have just called everyone racist instead of implying it with some nonsense. Like I said earlier you do not know me or my race so assuming anything about me or anyone in regards toward their feelings about a FICTIONAL character is easily the most asinine thing you can do. I also like you last part of your statement clearly stating that I might be saying this because I am of a "different perspective". If my perspective is bias because I do not consider myself racially insensitive about not liking a FICTIONAL character, then so be it.  You can not say that someone posting inflammatory, insensitive and insulting comments toward the communtiy can not be dealt without frustration. I will not be called a racist by any means for not liking a FICTIONAL character.

We are not racists we are the Mass Effect community and we will not apologize.