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[cruc1al]

Siansonea II wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I have a female Shepard playthrough right now where I have successfully befriended Jacob without it turning into a 'Bad Romance'. So far, I'm much happier with it, though I still hate the way she says "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit".

And seriously, are we still debating about racism? It exists. It's bad. We should work to overcome it in ourselves and when we see manifestations of it in society. What is there to debate?

Well, I've done the same, and actually liked the "get loud and spill the drinks" line=).

As for what is being debated, I was under impression that we are trying to determine if Jacob is unpopular due to race or for completely unrelated reasons. But I may be mistaken about that)

I would say there is a probably a small percentage of truly racist people who don't like Jacob because of his ethnicity, but I don't think it's the cause for his almost universal unpopularity. Jacob just doesn't have much to recommend him. Paint him white and give him a different voice actor and he'll still be as dull as dishwater. There's just not a compelling story there. I think Kaidan is more popular because he is more of a pure 'nice guy' type. Jacob acts like a jerk sometimes, and that's a huge turnoff. Most of my issues with Jacob are the same issues I have with Ashley, they just seem one-dimensional and dull.

Also Kaidan's behaviour is completely different, and he comes across as unsure and cautious, but intelligent, which makes the player think there's something he's hiding or something that's troubling him, thus making him an interesting character to know more about (at least more so than Jacob).

Jacob, on the other hand, is much more forthcoming with his opinions which are often stupid, such as "I say space it" and "unless you want an assassin watch your back"... He seems obsessed with whether people are trustworthy, which is also illustrated by the fact that he wants to know if shepard trusts him two minutes after they met. (Perhaps something to do with his daddy issues). Only if we knew more about Jacob's history in the alliance corsairs and his history with Miranda... and if he wasn't such a jerk.

[Nazomi]

Aniki_21 wrote...

askanec wrote...

It could be that people are sub-consciously racist and finding things about Jacob to pick on. Just because someone says "I'm not racist" doesn't make it true.

It's really no different from being blinded by inner prejudice. Just look at what happened to Ashley or Kaidan, they associate Cerebus with Evil Incarnate. When Shepard appeared, they paint him with the same brush immediately, instead of listening to reason or logic. I really wish I could just shoot them right there and then.

Very true. I don't know of many racists who actually admit to it. While not even the point of the OP the fact is there is still a lot of blatant anti-black racism around. It's pretty easy to see online in places where you can get away with it. Seriously it's nearly impossible to see a clip on youtube of a black person doing something remotely negative without seeing any blatantly racist comments. Go look for yourself if you don't believe it. Places like this forum you have to keep your racism veiled (albeit, thinly in some cases). So ultimately there still are pleanty of people with issues of racism and it's hardly "reddiculous" to see how it could come in to play with some of the people who dislike Jacob.

Unfortunately a lot of people want to stick there head and the sand and deny that it's an issue. Oh well.

[Darkhour]

Polka14 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Allow me to disagree about those blatant lies. You, good sir, have never left your hometown to see other places and other cultures. There are other "kinds" of white men, you know, those that aren't WASP, those that haven't started the Apartheid, those who actually fought the Apartheid around the World.

Saying that all white people are racist is about the same as having a white person saying that all Colored people stink. Just plain blatant racist.

Anyhow, back on topic, while I do believe that some people might not like Jacob because of the fact that he is not WASP, I do not believe that it is the main cause. His romanced was botched by Bioware, but I still believe that Jacob would be a great Character in ME 3 with just minor adjustments to some of his conversations. As a bro, he is great in ME 3 and he is the only sane guy on the ship.

Calling you out as the race-ist you are is race-ist. You white supremacists never cease to amaze.

OK, simple question, oh "non-racist white person".

What is a white person? How do you know who is and is not white?

Simple enough question, right?

Reported for hate speech.

Ah, getting under your skin. Making you feel uncomfortable? Seems like an easy question for these non-racist folks, but they are avoiding it like the plague. Wonder why? Makes you think they know more than they are letting on. Don't let a white person's pretend ignorance fool you. He know exactly why he's ignoring a question. They all do.

Racist. All of em. Enjoy your social status as a white citizen.

[Polka14]

Darkhour wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Allow me to disagree about those blatant lies. You, good sir, have never left your hometown to see other places and other cultures. There are other "kinds" of white men, you know, those that aren't WASP, those that haven't started the Apartheid, those who actually fought the Apartheid around the World.

Saying that all white people are racist is about the same as having a white person saying that all Colored people stink. Just plain blatant racist.

Anyhow, back on topic, while I do believe that some people might not like Jacob because of the fact that he is not WASP, I do not believe that it is the main cause. His romanced was botched by Bioware, but I still believe that Jacob would be a great Character in ME 3 with just minor adjustments to some of his conversations. As a bro, he is great in ME 3 and he is the only sane guy on the ship.

Calling you out as the race-ist you are is race-ist. You white supremacists never cease to amaze.

OK, simple question, oh "non-racist white person".

What is a white person? How do you know who is and is not white?

Simple enough question, right?

Reported for hate speech.

Ah, getting under your skin. Making you feel uncomfortable? Seems like an easy question for these non-racist folks, but they are avoiding it like the plague. Wonder why? Makes you think they know more than they are letting on. Don't let a white person's pretend ignorance fool you. He know exactly why he's ignoring a question. They all do.

Racist. All of em. Enjoy your social status as a white citizen.

You need to be banned. Reported for hate speech.

[snarky kitteh reborn]

im playing through his romance. I lol'd when he says "mmm hhmmm."

[Nostradamoose]

Darkhour wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Allow me to disagree about those blatant lies. You, good sir, have never left your hometown to see other places and other cultures. There are other "kinds" of white men, you know, those that aren't WASP, those that haven't started the Apartheid, those who actually fought the Apartheid around the World.

Saying that all white people are racist is about the same as having a white person saying that all Colored people stink. Just plain blatant racist.

Anyhow, back on topic, while I do believe that some people might not like Jacob because of the fact that he is not WASP, I do not believe that it is the main cause. His romanced was botched by Bioware, but I still believe that Jacob would be a great Character in ME 3 with just minor adjustments to some of his conversations. As a bro, he is great in ME 3 and he is the only sane guy on the ship.

Calling you out as the race-ist you are is race-ist. You white supremacists never cease to amaze.

OK, simple question, oh "non-racist white person".

What is a white person? How do you know who is and is not white?

Simple enough question, right?

Want me to answer it? Yea, your questions are kinda boring on the metaphysical side. White person, well, usually the term is used for, either albinos or people from European Descent, i.e. Caucasian.

And How do I know if a person is white or not? Sadly, we all look at the skin color. It is about as useful and describing about a person's character as looking at the color of their eyes, i.e. not much at all. Pretty much all it says is a certain genetic acclimatation to colder climates. 

So there you go, you probably expect me to make a comparison with the "black race", so yea, as the evil white french racist man I am, I will do it. How evil of me! A "black" person is someone usually originating from mid to South Africa, usually of a darker tone of skin, which again, doesn't really say much about the person's character. Same thing here, only thing it shows is an evolutionnary pattern towards resistance to higher temperature climates due to the high levels of melamin inducing the specific color common in the people of this phenotype.

Funny thing, there is about as much genetic variation between 2 distanced black populations as there are with a certain black population and another white one.

So yea, pretty much, all this race talk is complete bollocks. The genetic variance is overall under 1%, so yea... Minimal at best. So yea, is that the answer you were looking for?

Now, don't go out on me telling me I'm racist because I said black people were more adapted to hot climates than people with fairer skin.

Will I have to make a show and tell about "visible minorities" or whatever you call them?

Happy? I answered to your simple metaphysical question using "common knowledge" and certain genetic data.

[Kileyan]

Jeebus, all this racist talk. I personally never take him on mission or talk to him because he is friggin boring. I can talk to a sexy alien in a suit, I can talk to a crazy wild chick with crushing biotics. I can talk to a tube born alien the size of a volkswagen. Maybe chat with a machine that talks for and speaks the mind of a whole race of machines.



I don't talk to Jacob because he is boring, he is me, some boring human from a military background. He isn't interesting because he is too close to me. His color doesn't matter, he is just a boring character.

[Nazomi]

Polka14 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Allow me to disagree about those blatant lies. You, good sir, have never left your hometown to see other places and other cultures. There are other "kinds" of white men, you know, those that aren't WASP, those that haven't started the Apartheid, those who actually fought the Apartheid around the World.

Saying that all white people are racist is about the same as having a white person saying that all Colored people stink. Just plain blatant racist.

Anyhow, back on topic, while I do believe that some people might not like Jacob because of the fact that he is not WASP, I do not believe that it is the main cause. His romanced was botched by Bioware, but I still believe that Jacob would be a great Character in ME 3 with just minor adjustments to some of his conversations. As a bro, he is great in ME 3 and he is the only sane guy on the ship.

Calling you out as the race-ist you are is race-ist. You white supremacists never cease to amaze.

OK, simple question, oh "non-racist white person".

What is a white person? How do you know who is and is not white?

Simple enough question, right?

Reported for hate speech.

Ah, getting under your skin. Making you feel uncomfortable? Seems like an easy question for these non-racist folks, but they are avoiding it like the plague. Wonder why? Makes you think they know more than they are letting on. Don't let a white person's pretend ignorance fool you. He know exactly why he's ignoring a question. They all do.

Racist. All of em. Enjoy your social status as a white citizen.

You need to be banned. Reported for hate speech.

Reporting all of you for blatant trolling. <_<

[onelifecrisis]

Polka, that joke is getting really, really tiresome.

[FlintlockJazz]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Polka, that joke is getting really, really tiresome.

I don't think he's joking.

[Madi]

Agree with me or not I hope we can all be friends in the end.  Ready for
anything. We live, we'll get loud and spill some drinks on the Citadel. 

[onelifecrisis]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Polka, that joke is getting really, really tiresome.

I don't think he's joking.

Trolling, joking, whatever, it's time a moderator got rid of him.

[Mercuron]

He really should have swapped places with Haggard from Bad Company, at least that character revels in being a stereotype and is worth some laughs now and then.

[FlintlockJazz]

onelifecrisis wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Polka, that joke is getting really, really tiresome.

I don't think he's joking.

Trolling, joking, whatever, it's time a moderator got rid of him.

He should be got rid of for reporting someone for rascism?  Okay...

[Darkhour]

Polka14 wrote...

You need to be banned. Reported for hate speech.

Why? Because the truth being laid out in the open makes you feel uncomfortable? Want to assassinate me? I think the system of racism has been refined beyond the need for the tactics of the past. We all know separate and not equal is the rule of law in this world. And we are all fairly certain that the KKK, skin heads, neo-**** party, etc aren't the people in control. So who does that leave? Open bigotry does not benefit white supremacy. The KKK are stupid racist. They lose their ability to practice racism because they let their victims know they are being mistreated. Their only think they really accomplish is convincing non-white people they they are the epitome of racism when all they really are is loud mouth idiots. The smart racists, the vast majority of white people, mistreat non-white people systematically. White people don't like being called out for it. They don't want to be uncomforatable around their non-white co-workers and "friends". I especially liked one posters comment which amounted to, "yeah, racism exists. Blah blah blah. We need to work to end it, but let's not get into this conversation". For a first class cititzen (i.e white person) who is already sitting on top it's a pretty good idea to sweep things under the rug and continue business as usual, but for a second or third class citizen (non-white person) that is plain stupid. Only white people can end racism and allowing white people to remain comfortable with this current system of inequality isn't going to spur them to end it. Non-white people are practically facilitating it by not speaking up.

When I say white people are a racist I'm not talking about stupid racism like the KKK.

Modifié par Darkhour, 29 avril 2010 - 12:46 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Darkhour wrote...

Why? Because the truth being laid out in the open makes you feel uncomfortable? Want to assassinate me? I think the system of racism has been refined beyond the need for the tactics of the past. We all know separate and not equal is the rule of law in this world. And we are all fairly certain that the KKK, skin heads, neo-**** party, etc aren't the people in control. So who does that leave? Open bigotry does not benefit white supremacy. The KKK are stupid racist. They lose their ability to practice racism because they let their victims know they are being mistreated. Their only think they really accomplish is convincing non-white people they they are the epitome of racism when all they really are is loud mouth idiots. The smart racists, the vast majority of white people, mistreat non-white people systematically. White people don't like being called out for it. They don't want to be uncomforatable around their non-white co-workers and "friends". I especially liked one posters comment which amounted to, "yeah, racism exists. Blah blah blah. We need to work to end it, but let's not get into this conversation". For a first class cititzen (i.e white person) who is already sitting on top it's a pretty good idea to sweep things under the rug and continue business as usual, but for a second or third class citizen (non-white person) that is plain stupid. Only white people can end racism and allowing white people to remain comfortable with this current system of inequality isn't going to spur them to end it. Non-white people are practically facilitating it by not speaking up.

When I say white people are a racist I'm not talking about stupid racism like the KKK.

[PTPR]

Darkhour wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

You need to be banned. Reported for hate speech.

Why? Because the truth being laid out in the open makes you feel uncomfortable? Want to assassinate me? I think the system of racism has been refined beyond the need for the tactics of the past. We all know separate and not equal is the rule of law in this world. And we are all fairly certain that the KKK, skin heads, neo-**** party, etc aren't the people in control. So who does that leave? Open bigotry does not benefit white supremacy. The KKK are stupid racist. They lose their ability to practice racism because they let their victims know they are being mistreated. Their only think they really accomplish is convincing non-white people they they are the epitome of racism when all they really are is loud mouth idiots. The smart racists, the vast majority of white people, mistreat non-white people systematically. White people don't like being called out for it. They don't want to be uncomforatable around their non-white co-workers and "friends". I especially liked one posters comment which amounted to, "yeah, racism exists. Blah blah blah. We need to work to end it, but let's not get into this conversation". For a first class cititzen (i.e white person) who is already sitting on top it's a pretty good idea to sweep things under the rug and continue business as usual, but for a second or third class citizen (non-white person) that is plain stupid. Only white people can end racism and allowing white people to remain comfortable with this current system of inequality isn't going to spur them to end it. Non-white people are practically facilitating it by not speaking up.

When I say white people are a racist I'm not talking about stupid racism like the KKK.

Though I am sure this won't make a difference........aren't you being racist by putting white people together and saying they are all racist?
(I should really stop posting in this thread.)

[Murphys_Law]

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

All humans have racial biases.  My alarm bells went off as soon as you said you had none.  To deny you have racial biases means that you are not being aware of potential racial bias thoughts.  This eventually can get you into trouble when those thoughts become words or actions.  The funny thing is how some of the most racists things ever said alouded now a days seem to always start with "I am not a racist" or "I have no racial biases".

Jacob was just a medicore character in a game filled with very interesting characters.  He just wasn't fleshed out enough.  There wasn't enough Cerebus/Alliance angst in my opnion, as that should of been one of his main character points.  Kaiden, in comparsion, had a little more going on with the whole early Biotics mess but was still very medicore and I don't think very popular on a large scale.

[Darkhour]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Want me to answer it? Yea, your questions are kinda boring on the metaphysical side. White person, well, usually the term is used for, either albinos or people from European Descent, i.e. Caucasian.

Caucasoids encompass the Middle east, Northern African, Europe and SW Asia. They range in skin tone from onyx black to pasty creme. I'm a caucasoid with european descent. Alot of people who aren't classified as white are of european descent. I've never heard of an albino being classified as white simply because they are albinos.

And How do I know if a person is white or not? Sadly, we all look at the skin color. It is about as useful and describing about a person's character as looking at the color of their eyes, i.e. not much at all. Pretty much all it says is a certain genetic acclimatation to colder climates.

 

There are plenty of white people both lighter and darker than non-whites. There are white people with wider noses, darker skin and thicker lips than some certain non-white morphologies. To be more clear, let me state that there are redheaded, pale skinned, freckle face, green eyed, thin pointy nosed, thin lipped non-white people out there of european ancestry.

So yea, pretty much, all this race talk is complete bollocks.

Race is not bullocks. It's very serious and very real social construct. 
 

The genetic variance is overall under 1%, so yea... Minimal at best. So yea, is that the answer you were looking for?

No, you've diverged from the topic. I suspect intentionally. You're response is leading me to conclude that you are a racist.

I asked you a simple question and go off into genetics and evolution. Please, just answer the following questions.

1. Are you a white person? Yes or No.

2. What does a white person look like? List the physical features that make a person white.

3. If you answered yes to the first question, but refuse to answer/there is no answer to the second, how do you determined who is and is not white?

I suspect you will answer the question with a question, ignore the question outright or go on another tangent about genetics & evolution to escape answering the question. All of which could be said to be ignoring the question. Maybe you will prove me wrong.... doubtful.

[Nu-Nu]

Darkhour wrote...
Why? Because the truth being laid out in the open makes you feel uncomfortable? Want to assassinate me? I think the system of racism has been refined beyond the need for the tactics of the past. We all know separate and not equal is the rule of law in this world. And we are all fairly certain that the KKK, skin heads, neo-**** party, etc aren't the people in control. So who does that leave? Open bigotry does not benefit white supremacy. The KKK are stupid racist. They lose their ability to practice racism because they let their victims know they are being mistreated. Their only think they really accomplish is convincing non-white people they they are the epitome of racism when all they really are is loud mouth idiots. The smart racists, the vast majority of white people, mistreat non-white people systematically. White people don't like being called out for it. They don't want to be uncomforatable around their non-white co-workers and "friends". I especially liked one posters comment which amounted to, "yeah, racism exists. Blah blah blah. We need to work to end it, but let's not get into this conversation". For a first class cititzen (i.e white person) who is already sitting on top it's a pretty good idea to sweep things under the rug and continue business as usual, but for a second or third class citizen (non-white person) that is plain stupid. Only white people can end racism and allowing white people to remain comfortable with this current system of inequality isn't going to spur them to end it. Non-white people are practically facilitating it by not speaking up.
When I say white people are a racist I'm not talking about stupid racism like the KKK.

I'm mix race and I had raciscm from both sides, of what I am, so believe me when I say you are just as capable of being racist.  But you know what I get on great with 90% of the people I come across.  I'm not going to let that **** turn me into someone bitter and hate everyone and lump them together.  Sure, there be some people who don't like Jacob because of his skin, but I genuinely believe it's a small percentage of the people who dislike Jacob. 

You sir are a racist and need to grow up.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 29 avril 2010 - 01:31 .

[Madi]

Murphys_Law wrote...

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

All humans have racial biases.  My alarm bells went off as soon as you said you had none.  To deny you have racial biases means that you are not being aware of potential racial bias thoughts.  This eventually can get you into trouble when those thoughts become words or actions.  The funny thing is how some of the most racists things ever said alouded now a days seem to always start with "I am not a racist" or "I have no racial biases".

Jacob was just a medicore character in a game filled with very interesting characters.  He just wasn't fleshed out enough.  There wasn't enough Cerebus/Alliance angst in my opnion, as that should of been one of his main character points.  Kaiden, in comparsion, had a little more going on with the whole early Biotics mess but was still very medicore and I don't think very popular on a large scale.

The difference is with me is I actively gaurd against any  of those kinds of thoughts  that try to float into my head that may. I'm biracial (Asian and white by the way). I hate racism and i'm not afraid to talk about it and talking about racism or racial issues in general doesn't make you a racist as some of you seem to think.

[Darkhour]

PTPR wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

You need to be banned. Reported for hate speech.

Why? Because the truth being laid out in the open makes you feel uncomfortable? Want to assassinate me? I think the system of racism has been refined beyond the need for the tactics of the past. We all know separate and not equal is the rule of law in this world. And we are all fairly certain that the KKK, skin heads, neo-**** party, etc aren't the people in control. So who does that leave? Open bigotry does not benefit white supremacy. The KKK are stupid racist. They lose their ability to practice racism because they let their victims know they are being mistreated. Their only think they really accomplish is convincing non-white people they they are the epitome of racism when all they really are is loud mouth idiots. The smart racists, the vast majority of white people, mistreat non-white people systematically. White people don't like being called out for it. They don't want to be uncomforatable around their non-white co-workers and "friends". I especially liked one posters comment which amounted to, "yeah, racism exists. Blah blah blah. We need to work to end it, but let's not get into this conversation". For a first class cititzen (i.e white person) who is already sitting on top it's a pretty good idea to sweep things under the rug and continue business as usual, but for a second or third class citizen (non-white person) that is plain stupid. Only white people can end racism and allowing white people to remain comfortable with this current system of inequality isn't going to spur them to end it. Non-white people are practically facilitating it by not speaking up.

When I say white people are a racist I'm not talking about stupid racism like the KKK.

Though I am sure this won't make a difference........aren't you being racist by putting white people together and saying they are all racist?
(I should really stop posting in this thread.)

No. 

I do not benefit from the system of racism. I am a victim. White people benefit from being white compared to being non-white and they all know this. I like how white people try to reduce the meaning of racism down to "name calling". Using so-called "racial slurs" does not make you a racist. Mistreating people on the basis of color is what makes people racist. Being complacent with the systematic mistreatment of people on the basis of color is racist. A person who fights against race-ist is not a white person. They would have to give up their social standing in order to fight for equality and justice.

Keep trying to make this an issue of biology. It wouldn't be the first time a white supremacist did this. It is very important to white people to keep up the illusion that race is about biology.

[FlintlockJazz]

@ Madi: No, but threads like these bring out the worst types of people like moths to a flame, it will never amount to anything more than that and most people are clearly not basing it on race (hell, he's not even my most hated character, he just irritates me, the truly hated are Miranda and Zaeed).

But anyway, its time...


"Help us Stanley Woo, you are our only hope!"

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 29 avril 2010 - 01:43 .

[Nostradamoose]

1. French, white and all that junk. At least, that's how they describe me... I personnaly prefer saying I'm French Canadian.

2. Skin color, that is how they view it. Answer which I have already described. Skin tones can range from white to pink, sometimes light brown.

Lots of genetic mixing can make the color "white" change. Happy, that is how people normally describe a white person. Culturally created diversifications.The only tell-tale for this is the skin color, nothing else. Now don't say I don't answer and I go on tangents, I feel like you're just making me repeat myself for the sake of it.



As for the Genetic talk, I studied genetics and I sort of liked it, so don't be surprised if I went into territories I like.

[Nostradamoose]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

@ Madi: No, but threads like these bring out the worst types of people like moths to a flame, it will never amount to anything more than that and most people are clearly not basing it on race (hell, he's not even my most hated character, he just irritates me, the truly hated are Miranda and Zaeed).

But anyway, its time...


"Help us Stanley Woo, you are our only hope!"

Mr. Woo, Tear down this thread...

Reagan commands you.