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[Siansonea]

One problem with Jacob is that pretty much at every point in the game except the very beginning, you have to do the opposite of what he says in order to succeed. He makes suggestion and volunteers for things that don't make sense in the grand scheme of things. Jacob's not a 'big picture' guy, and he tries to give strategic and tactical advice to Shepard that really just illustrate how shortsighted he is. Honestly, does he really think he should be the one who goes through the vents on the suicide mission? Tali and Legion are tech experts and the obvious choices to take on that task. But Jacob acts like he needs to prove himself or something. Of course Miranda is just as shortsighted ("any biotic can handle the barrier"), but she seems a little less clueless than Jacob. I got the No One Left Behind achievement on my first playthrough, and it's because I didn't listen to Jacob and Miranda's advice.

Jacob just doesn't seem to have good instincts. He doesn't seem to trust many of the other people on the squad, and is
particularly douchey toward Thane and Tali. Honestly, I think a lot of people don't like Jacob because of the one line at the end of the cutscene where he passive-aggressively tells Tali to introduce herself to EDI.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 30 avril 2010 - 04:02 .

[Nazomi]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Do people really like Anderson that much? If there are any fan threads dedicated to his honor I've missed them.  Besides he really doesn't have that big of a part in either game and he isn't a squadmate. So you'd have to have some serious issues to go out of your way to dislike a character who has such relatively little involvement in the main plot. Besides all that I fail to see what makes Anderson more interesting than Jacob. In fact when I try to describe him they're seem pretty similar. Both honorable military men who look to do the right thing. Respect Shepard and believe in Shepard's mission. etc. The only significant difference is Anderson is the older non threatening Morgan Freeman type.

I love Anderson, and Jacob does not hold a candle to him.  The reason why you don't see threads for him is because he is not a squad member and never has been, and I doubt people would want to see him as such since it just wouldn't fit.

There are also very significant differences between Anderson and Jacob that you have overlooked by being so general with them.  First off, Anderson doesn't constantly make stupid suggestions or make hypocritical remarks about other characters.  He's also a very by the book type soldier, follows protocol, tries to work with the system and doesn't go running off to some terrorist organisation because "They get things done" like Jacob does.  He has principles and stands by them (and stands still when you talk to him).  Jacob on the other hand clearly hates protocol, using that as his excuse for joining Cerberus, is supposed to be a man of principle and yet is helping a terrorist organisation that murders people, makes inane suggestions such as 'space it', and casts judgement upon people who have already proven to be of stronger moral fibre than him and makes him look like a hypocrite (plus he is constantly parading up and down when you talk to him, Shepard should smack him for lack of discipline for doing that).

Essentially, Anderson is man who believes strongly in the Alliance and its methods, and is a good soldier, whereas Jacob is some guy who, as Jack insightfully puts it "Doesn't know who he is".

Strange that you knock Jacob for a lack of principles when he's argueably the most principled squadmate available and how exactly did someone like Thane  prove to have more moral fiber than Jacob?

[Polka14]

Nazomi wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Do people really like Anderson that much? If there are any fan threads dedicated to his honor I've missed them.  Besides he really doesn't have that big of a part in either game and he isn't a squadmate. So you'd have to have some serious issues to go out of your way to dislike a character who has such relatively little involvement in the main plot. Besides all that I fail to see what makes Anderson more interesting than Jacob. In fact when I try to describe him they're seem pretty similar. Both honorable military men who look to do the right thing. Respect Shepard and believe in Shepard's mission. etc. The only significant difference is Anderson is the older non threatening Morgan Freeman type.

I love Anderson, and Jacob does not hold a candle to him.  The reason why you don't see threads for him is because he is not a squad member and never has been, and I doubt people would want to see him as such since it just wouldn't fit.

There are also very significant differences between Anderson and Jacob that you have overlooked by being so general with them.  First off, Anderson doesn't constantly make stupid suggestions or make hypocritical remarks about other characters.  He's also a very by the book type soldier, follows protocol, tries to work with the system and doesn't go running off to some terrorist organisation because "They get things done" like Jacob does.  He has principles and stands by them (and stands still when you talk to him).  Jacob on the other hand clearly hates protocol, using that as his excuse for joining Cerberus, is supposed to be a man of principle and yet is helping a terrorist organisation that murders people, makes inane suggestions such as 'space it', and casts judgement upon people who have already proven to be of stronger moral fibre than him and makes him look like a hypocrite (plus he is constantly parading up and down when you talk to him, Shepard should smack him for lack of discipline for doing that).

Essentially, Anderson is man who believes strongly in the Alliance and its methods, and is a good soldier, whereas Jacob is some guy who, as Jack insightfully puts it "Doesn't know who he is".

Strange that you knock Jacob for a lack of principles when he's argueably the most principled squadmate available and how exactly did someone like Thane  prove to have more moral fiber than Jacob?

Someone with principle would not work for a terrorist organization like cerberus and he is essentially a mercenary and he would berate someone for being a "precise mercenary". He sounds slightly hypocritical for me.

[FlintlockJazz]

Nazomi wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Do people really like Anderson that much? If there are any fan threads dedicated to his honor I've missed them.  Besides he really doesn't have that big of a part in either game and he isn't a squadmate. So you'd have to have some serious issues to go out of your way to dislike a character who has such relatively little involvement in the main plot. Besides all that I fail to see what makes Anderson more interesting than Jacob. In fact when I try to describe him they're seem pretty similar. Both honorable military men who look to do the right thing. Respect Shepard and believe in Shepard's mission. etc. The only significant difference is Anderson is the older non threatening Morgan Freeman type.

I love Anderson, and Jacob does not hold a candle to him.  The reason why you don't see threads for him is because he is not a squad member and never has been, and I doubt people would want to see him as such since it just wouldn't fit.

There are also very significant differences between Anderson and Jacob that you have overlooked by being so general with them.  First off, Anderson doesn't constantly make stupid suggestions or make hypocritical remarks about other characters.  He's also a very by the book type soldier, follows protocol, tries to work with the system and doesn't go running off to some terrorist organisation because "They get things done" like Jacob does.  He has principles and stands by them (and stands still when you talk to him).  Jacob on the other hand clearly hates protocol, using that as his excuse for joining Cerberus, is supposed to be a man of principle and yet is helping a terrorist organisation that murders people, makes inane suggestions such as 'space it', and casts judgement upon people who have already proven to be of stronger moral fibre than him and makes him look like a hypocrite (plus he is constantly parading up and down when you talk to him, Shepard should smack him for lack of discipline for doing that).

Essentially, Anderson is man who believes strongly in the Alliance and its methods, and is a good soldier, whereas Jacob is some guy who, as Jack insightfully puts it "Doesn't know who he is".

Strange that you knock Jacob for a lack of principles when he's argueably the most principled squadmate available and how exactly did someone like Thane  prove to have more moral fiber than Jacob?

Thane is signing up for free in an attempt to attone for his crimes, Jacob has voluntarily joined a terrorist organisation that murders people for no real explainable reason.  In that context, yes Thane is more principled.  Jacob is an incredibly judgemental individual and yet he lacks any real conviction, as is stated by several other characters when they sau he doesn't know what he wants.  That to me speaks of a lack of principles.

[Dean_the_Young]

I took a different take.

Jacob joined Cerberus for the same reasons Garrus left C-SEC: he's a good man who's frustrated at being held back from doing what he thinks needs to be done. He knows about Cerberus's other actions. He admits he's leery. But what's most important to him is that Cerberus acts. Sometimes that's good, sometimes that's not, but Jacob's terms of service is that he'll work with Cerberus as long as it's for the good things. TIM and Miranda recognize this, and work with him accordingly. It gives Jacob a way to act for good (fighting Collectors) without being held back. In that since, he's a lot like Shepard (I work with Cerberus for the greater good, not for Cerberus as a true believer.)

Jacob and Garrus are pretty similar in motivations and pasts: though Jacob was military and Garrus was more law enforcement, they both want to do good and hate being held back (both also have troubled relations with their fathers). But while Garrus had Shepard as a role model, which motivated him to form his own team, Jacob always worked in a system as a soldier, and didn't have that sort of mentor. So when both went 'rogue', Garrus made his own team, and Jacob found a better group to work with.

If anything, Jacob strikes me as a more morally centered (or rather, firmer moral code) than Garrus. Garrus, in both games, is impressionable: he'll freely admit that sometimes his renegade impulses are less about protecting others and more about the criminal being a personal affront. He can go from well-intentioned kill-the-scum Renegade to a rules-are-for-a-reason Paragon. Jacob, on the other hand, doesn't waver from his convictions, even if he gets frustrated. Maybe that makes him boring, but an emotionally and ethically balanced person is pretty rare these days. Jacob may not have the Plan for his life, just what he wants, but he's consistent in how he goes about it.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 30 avril 2010 - 04:41 .

[Nazomi]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Do people really like Anderson that much? If there are any fan threads dedicated to his honor I've missed them.  Besides he really doesn't have that big of a part in either game and he isn't a squadmate. So you'd have to have some serious issues to go out of your way to dislike a character who has such relatively little involvement in the main plot. Besides all that I fail to see what makes Anderson more interesting than Jacob. In fact when I try to describe him they're seem pretty similar. Both honorable military men who look to do the right thing. Respect Shepard and believe in Shepard's mission. etc. The only significant difference is Anderson is the older non threatening Morgan Freeman type.

I love Anderson, and Jacob does not hold a candle to him.  The reason why you don't see threads for him is because he is not a squad member and never has been, and I doubt people would want to see him as such since it just wouldn't fit.

There are also very significant differences between Anderson and Jacob that you have overlooked by being so general with them.  First off, Anderson doesn't constantly make stupid suggestions or make hypocritical remarks about other characters.  He's also a very by the book type soldier, follows protocol, tries to work with the system and doesn't go running off to some terrorist organisation because "They get things done" like Jacob does.  He has principles and stands by them (and stands still when you talk to him).  Jacob on the other hand clearly hates protocol, using that as his excuse for joining Cerberus, is supposed to be a man of principle and yet is helping a terrorist organisation that murders people, makes inane suggestions such as 'space it', and casts judgement upon people who have already proven to be of stronger moral fibre than him and makes him look like a hypocrite (plus he is constantly parading up and down when you talk to him, Shepard should smack him for lack of discipline for doing that).

Essentially, Anderson is man who believes strongly in the Alliance and its methods, and is a good soldier, whereas Jacob is some guy who, as Jack insightfully puts it "Doesn't know who he is".

Strange that you knock Jacob for a lack of principles when he's argueably the most principled squadmate available and how exactly did someone like Thane  prove to have more moral fiber than Jacob?

Thane is signing up for free in an attempt to attone for his crimes, Jacob has voluntarily joined a terrorist organisation that murders people for no real explainable reason.  In that context, yes Thane is more principled.  Jacob is an incredibly judgemental individual and yet he lacks any real conviction, as is stated by several other characters when they sau he doesn't know what he wants.  That to me speaks of a lack of principles.

However "honorable" it may seem that Thane is trying to atone that doesn't change the fact that he's a mass murderer and ultimately joins this terrorist originization himself. Jacob maybe have joined a questionable group but his actions and views are always principled. He heavily disagrees with a lot of what Cerberus has done and says so on more than one occasion.

[Polka14]

Nazomi wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Do people really like Anderson that much? If there are any fan threads dedicated to his honor I've missed them.  Besides he really doesn't have that big of a part in either game and he isn't a squadmate. So you'd have to have some serious issues to go out of your way to dislike a character who has such relatively little involvement in the main plot. Besides all that I fail to see what makes Anderson more interesting than Jacob. In fact when I try to describe him they're seem pretty similar. Both honorable military men who look to do the right thing. Respect Shepard and believe in Shepard's mission. etc. The only significant difference is Anderson is the older non threatening Morgan Freeman type.

I love Anderson, and Jacob does not hold a candle to him.  The reason why you don't see threads for him is because he is not a squad member and never has been, and I doubt people would want to see him as such since it just wouldn't fit.

There are also very significant differences between Anderson and Jacob that you have overlooked by being so general with them.  First off, Anderson doesn't constantly make stupid suggestions or make hypocritical remarks about other characters.  He's also a very by the book type soldier, follows protocol, tries to work with the system and doesn't go running off to some terrorist organisation because "They get things done" like Jacob does.  He has principles and stands by them (and stands still when you talk to him).  Jacob on the other hand clearly hates protocol, using that as his excuse for joining Cerberus, is supposed to be a man of principle and yet is helping a terrorist organisation that murders people, makes inane suggestions such as 'space it', and casts judgement upon people who have already proven to be of stronger moral fibre than him and makes him look like a hypocrite (plus he is constantly parading up and down when you talk to him, Shepard should smack him for lack of discipline for doing that).

Essentially, Anderson is man who believes strongly in the Alliance and its methods, and is a good soldier, whereas Jacob is some guy who, as Jack insightfully puts it "Doesn't know who he is".

Strange that you knock Jacob for a lack of principles when he's argueably the most principled squadmate available and how exactly did someone like Thane  prove to have more moral fiber than Jacob?

Thane is signing up for free in an attempt to attone for his crimes, Jacob has voluntarily joined a terrorist organisation that murders people for no real explainable reason.  In that context, yes Thane is more principled.  Jacob is an incredibly judgemental individual and yet he lacks any real conviction, as is stated by several other characters when they sau he doesn't know what he wants.  That to me speaks of a lack of principles.

However "honorable" it may seem that Thane is trying to atone that doesn't change the fact that he's a mass murderer and ultimately joins this terrorist originization himself. Jacob maybe have joined a questionable group but his actions and views are always principled. He heavily disagrees with a lot of what Cerberus has done and says so on more than one occasion.

Thane is not a mass murderer. The only time he killed anyone was when he killed those responsible for killing his wife.  Like he said, an assassin is merely a tool to be used. Thane is dying too and he said he wished to do his part to help the galaxy before he dies or "make the universe brigher".

[tonnactus]

Siansonea II wrote...

Jacob just doesn't seem to have good instincts. He doesn't seem to trust many of the other people on the squad, and is
particularly douchey toward Thane and Tali. Honestly, I think a lot of people don't like Jacob because of the one line at the end of the cutscene where he passive-aggressively tells Tali to introduce herself to EDI.

Tali was the one that was rude to jacob(understandable but still), not otherwise.He tried to be polite too her.
And just tell me a better way to inform her that the ship has an artifical intelligence.

[tonnactus]

Polka14 wrote...

Thane is not a mass murderer. The only time he killed anyone was when he killed those responsible for killing his wife.  L

What??He worked as an assasin for the hanar and after that freelanced his services.He did the nassana dantius job because there wasnt any other things to do for him.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I agree with Tonnactus in their two previous posts in this thread.

[Polka14]

tonnactus wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Thane is not a mass murderer. The only time he killed anyone was when he killed those responsible for killing his wife.  L

What??He worked as an assasin for the hanar and after that freelanced his services.He did the nassana dantius job because there wasnt any other things to do for him.

Talk to thane more. this is off topic though. I have been talking to jacob more often lately. i have been trying to stay neutral and it the conversations are going well however I do not like how jacob does not talk about his father. Even samara eventually talks about killing her daughter and she is extremely anti-social.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Polka14 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Thane is not a mass murderer. The only time he killed anyone was when he killed those responsible for killing his wife.  L

What??He worked as an assasin for the hanar and after that freelanced his services.He did the nassana dantius job because there wasnt any other things to do for him.

Talk to thane more. this is off topic though. I have been talking to jacob more often lately. i have been trying to stay neutral and it the conversations are going well however I do not like how jacob does not talk about his father. Even samara eventually talks about killing her daughter and she is extremely anti-social.

He said that so he could die on that mission.  Doesn't change the fact that he is going around killing people just so he would end up dead.  Also as a gun for hire by the Hanar his works are dubious at best.  

[tonnactus]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I agree with Tonnactus in their two previous posts in this thread.

In HIS two previous posts.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't know that, you could be multiple people.



No way to be sure.

[Dean_the_Young]

Edit: never mind.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 30 avril 2010 - 05:43 .

[Nazomi]

Polka14 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Thane is not a mass murderer. The only time he killed anyone was when he killed those responsible for killing his wife.  L

What??He worked as an assasin for the hanar and after that freelanced his services.He did the nassana dantius job because there wasnt any other things to do for him.

Talk to thane more. this is off topic though. I have been talking to jacob more often lately. i have been trying to stay neutral and it the conversations are going well however I do not like how jacob does not talk about his father. Even samara eventually talks about killing her daughter and she is extremely anti-social.

Oh yeah i also forget that he isn't responsible for all the people he's killed because "his body did it" not him.
I believe Jacob opens up a little more about his father if Shepard is female like Jack opens up more to Male shep.

[Polka14]

Nazomi wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Polka14 wrote...

Thane is not a mass murderer. The only time he killed anyone was when he killed those responsible for killing his wife.  L

What??He worked as an assasin for the hanar and after that freelanced his services.He did the nassana dantius job because there wasnt any other things to do for him.

Talk to thane more. this is off topic though. I have been talking to jacob more often lately. i have been trying to stay neutral and it the conversations are going well however I do not like how jacob does not talk about his father. Even samara eventually talks about killing her daughter and she is extremely anti-social.

Oh yeah i also forget that he isn't responsible for all the people he's killed because "his body did it" not him.
I believe Jacob opens up a little more about his father if Shepard is female like Jack opens up more to Male shep.

Im careful to choose mainly neutral choices with jacob because I play as a female shepard and I do not want the paragon responses to lead our conversation into LI territory.

[FlintlockJazz]

Nazomi wrote...

However "honorable" it may seem that Thane is trying to atone that doesn't change the fact that he's a mass murderer and ultimately joins this terrorist originization himself. Jacob maybe have joined a questionable group but his actions and views are always principled. He heavily disagrees with a lot of what Cerberus has done and says so on more than one occasion.

We are not discussing whether what Thane did was right or wrong or whether or not he is a serial killer, but whether he has principles.  At the time you meet him, he has developed principles and is now trying to live up to them, hence his trying to now do right, and he joins you in order to fight the Collectors.  Jacob on the other hand joined up before you met him, and not to fight the collectors, and so his motivation is harder to discern.  He states it was to 'make a difference', and that he left the Alliance because of all the red tape, which means that he would prefer to work for a known terrorist organisation over upholding the legitimate military organisation because of 'red tape'...  He has been working for Cerberus as a glorified security guard for two years by the time you meet him (he was there when your body was brought in, so he's been there that long thats for sure).

Also, if he heavily disagrees with Cerberus then why is he working for them if he's supposed to be so highly principled?  Whatever principles he has are irrelevant since apparently they don't matter to him enough to stand up for them.  His attack on Thane also shows him up as a hypocrite: no matter what his motivations are, he is working for Cerberus, an independant non-government organisation, and is taking a paycheck from them, that is the definition of a mercenary, something he is supposed to despise and why he's attacking Thane, someone who has just signed up for free, making him less of a mercenary in this particular situation than Jacob.  The A Team often worked for people to help them, they were still mercenaries however and they even identified themselves as such, so Jacob's intolerance just looks sad.

In fact, thinking about it, Jacob's attacks on other, more well-liked characters could also be a reason why he is less well-liked than Kaidan.  While they are both bland, Kaidan is more accepting and never makes a detrimetral comment about the other NPCs, while Jacob attacks certain, arguable more popular, characters and therefore makes himself oppose the player's tastes.  Similar thing possibly occured with Ashley, she opposes aliens, making it harder for characters who prefer the alien NPCs to get along with her as well, though she also had other characters traits that prevented her from being so bland.

Anderson is a man of principle: though it is hard and he is often having to fight to get things done, he is clearly dedicated to the ideals of the Systems Alliance and a man of honour.  Jacob is a mercenary who hates mercenaries, making him a hypocrite, left the Alliance because he can't be bothered to deal with protocol, despite there being good reasons why protocols exist, and joins an organisation he has issues with, showing a lack of conviction to his beliefs.

[Nazomi]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

However "honorable" it may seem that Thane is trying to atone that doesn't change the fact that he's a mass murderer and ultimately joins this terrorist originization himself. Jacob maybe have joined a questionable group but his actions and views are always principled. He heavily disagrees with a lot of what Cerberus has done and says so on more than one occasion.

We are not discussing whether what Thane did was right or wrong or whether or not he is a serial killer, but whether he has principles.  At the time you meet him, he has developed principles and is now trying to live up to them, hence his trying to now do right, and he joins you in order to fight the Collectors.  Jacob on the other hand joined up before you met him, and not to fight the collectors, and so his motivation is harder to discern.  He states it was to 'make a difference', and that he left the Alliance because of all the red tape, which means that he would prefer to work for a known terrorist organisation over upholding the legitimate military organisation because of 'red tape'...  He has been working for Cerberus as a glorified security guard for two years by the time you meet him (he was there when your body was brought in, so he's been there that long thats for sure).

Also, if he heavily disagrees with Cerberus then why is he working for them if he's supposed to be so highly principled?  Whatever principles he has are irrelevant since apparently they don't matter to him enough to stand up for them.  His attack on Thane also shows him up as a hypocrite: no matter what his motivations are, he is working for Cerberus, an independant non-government organisation, and is taking a paycheck from them, that is the definition of a mercenary, something he is supposed to despise and why he's attacking Thane, someone who has just signed up for free, making him less of a mercenary in this particular situation than Jacob.  The A Team often worked for people to help them, they were still mercenaries however and they even identified themselves as such, so Jacob's intolerance just looks sad.

In fact, thinking about it, Jacob's attacks on other, more well-liked characters could also be a reason why he is less well-liked than Kaidan.  While they are both bland, Kaidan is more accepting and never makes a detrimetral comment about the other NPCs, while Jacob attacks certain, arguable more popular, characters and therefore makes himself oppose the player's tastes.  Similar thing possibly occured with Ashley, she opposes aliens, making it harder for characters who prefer the alien NPCs to get along with her as well, though she also had other characters traits that prevented her from being so bland.

Anderson is a man of principle: though it is hard and he is often having to fight to get things done, he is clearly dedicated to the ideals of the Systems Alliance and a man of honour.  Jacob is a mercenary who hates mercenaries, making him a hypocrite, left the Alliance because he can't be bothered to deal with protocol, despite there being good reasons why protocols exist, and joins an organisation he has issues with, showing a lack of conviction to his beliefs.

The fact remains that Jacob happens to be part of cerberus before the fate of the universe depended on it doesn't make him unprincipled. There is no evidence that he has been part of any of the more questionable activities of the orginization. Also I only recall Jacob having a bad attitude to Thane for being an Assassin and Legion. You honestly can't hold that against him given the view the entire galaxy has about the geth. Even the sweet and beloved Tali has little emphathy for the Geth.

[Nozybidaj]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
 Jacob is a mercenary who hates mercenaries, making him a hypocrite, left the Alliance because he can't be bothered to deal with protocol, despite there being good reasons why protocols exist, and joins an organisation he has issues with, showing a lack of conviction to his beliefs.

This was more or less the reason I disliked Jacob.

Edit:  Dislike is a rather strong word to use when speaking about Jacob.  How about we go with 'indifferent' instead.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 30 avril 2010 - 07:24 .

[Soviet Vodka]

I liked Jacob quite a lot, I was also quite pleased that they didn't ruin him with Ebonics language. It's the ilk that some people on here say about him that ruins him. Just like Kaiden who seemed perfectly fine but everyone likes to jump on the gay bandwagon and try to convince people that he is gay and loves Shep or something.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Polka14 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I really like Captain Anderson and he's black; but he was also a hell of a lot more intersting than Jacob and unlike Jacob he has a lot of moments where he takes a stand for Shepard most notably when he knocks Udina out cold and uses his computer to free the Normandy. 

You compared Jacob to Kaiden and I think thats a good comparison, since I didn't find Kaiden very engaging either and if anything I actually prefer Jacob due to his stoicism.  Since he's so damned vanilla Kaiden really isn't very popular amongst most players aside from those who had him as their love interest in ME1 (being a heterosexual male, I always went for Liara).   Still I think race might be a factor in Jacob being a less popular love interest than Kaiden since he doesn't conform as closely to our society's most common standard of male beauty though this effect would be even more extreme if Jacob were white; but bald or fat. 

Beyond that Jacob's stoicism might also be a factor since most of the people who romanced Kaiden generally comment  that they were attracted to his sensitivity.  Additionally Jacob just doesn't have any funny, witty or particularly charming lines which was one of Kaiden's strengths in ME1 since even though he was pretty dull he did have some pretty good one liners in ME1.  My own issue with Jacob is that like Kaiden he's not very interesting
and on top of that he comes off as being full of **** whenever he starts talking about how ****ed up Cerberus is and then justifies joining them solely on the grounds that he didn't like all the restrictions the Alliance put on him.  Still I wouldn't say that I dislike Jacob, I just don't find him very engaging.  In contrast Jack pisses me off constantly; but you'd be hard pressed to say that here character isn't engaging.

Through the entire game Jacob seems to either be acting coldly professional, pissed off or generally agreeable; but totally unassertive, agreeing with everything Shepard says and unwilling to take a stand.  Jacob just doesn't really have any defining moments that make him seem like anything more than a docile follower.  Even when you confront his father he more or less just sits there in the background while you question his dad rather than reacting with the sort of unbridled rage the situation demands.  Like Samara Jacob is a stoic character; but Samara is immensly more interesting since her stoicism is driven by the tragic fate which befell her and her children while Jacob just comes off as being muted and unassertive.

Do people really like Anderson that much? If there are any fan threads dedicated to his honor I've missed them.  Besides he really doesn't have that big of a part in either game and he isn't a squadmate. So you'd have to have some serious issues to go out of your way to dislike a character who has such relatively little involvement in the main plot. Besides all that I fail to see what makes Anderson more interesting than Jacob. In fact when I try to describe him they're seem pretty similar. Both honorable military men who look to do the right thing. Respect Shepard and believe in Shepard's mission. etc. The only significant difference is Anderson is the older non threatening Morgan Freeman type.

Non-threatening? Was that before or after he punched Udina into unconciousness?

She means if you saw Captain Anderson walking towards you on the street
you probably wouldn't clutch your purse like some folks would for
Jacob.  see example

Modifié par Ski Mask Wei, 30 avril 2010 - 08:13 .

[Siansonea]

tonnactus wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Jacob just doesn't seem to have good instincts. He doesn't seem to trust many of the other people on the squad, and is
particularly douchey toward Thane and Tali. Honestly, I think a lot of people don't like Jacob because of the one line at the end of the cutscene where he passive-aggressively tells Tali to introduce herself to EDI.

Tali was the one that was rude to jacob(understandable but still), not otherwise.He tried to be polite too her.
And just tell me a better way to inform her that the ship has an artifical intelligence.

Oh, I agree with you. But we're talking about Tali here, the most lusted-after digital creation since Lara Croft. Anyone who messes with Tali in any way is going to be universally hated by those Talimancer types. Personally I can take her or leave her, I've never gotten her appeal, but I know it exists and is very strong.

[tonnactus]

All needed to like jacob is one line not even from him:Oh jacob,i should have known that your conscience would overcome you".