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[Nostradamoose]

fortunesque wrote...

People that are assuming that Jacob and Kaidan are similar obviously don't know either character very well.

Jacob- Changes sides when his personal preferences aren't met. Think a chaotic good kind of personality. It's why he's with Cerberus. He is also known to speak up about missions without being asked during debriefings.

Kaidan- Believes in rules and will only disobey them when it's absolutely imperative (Normandy lockdown). Will only offer his opinion when asked and will offer pertinent suggestions in debriefings but will always differ to Shepard.

Combined with the fact that their romances are like night and day, I don't see how anyone can reach the conclusion that Kaidan and Jacob are similar.

Jacob is not millitary and cerverus has other protocol than the army. I guess that's why he is encouraged to speak up like he does.

[fortunesque]

Nostradamoose wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

People that are assuming that Jacob and Kaidan are similar obviously don't know either character very well.

Jacob- Changes sides when his personal preferences aren't met. Think a chaotic good kind of personality. It's why he's with Cerberus. He is also known to speak up about missions without being asked during debriefings.

Kaidan- Believes in rules and will only disobey them when it's absolutely imperative (Normandy lockdown). Will only offer his opinion when asked and will offer pertinent suggestions in debriefings but will always differ to Shepard.

Combined with the fact that their romances are like night and day, I don't see how anyone can reach the conclusion that Kaidan and Jacob are similar.

Jacob is not millitary and cerverus has other protocol than the army. I guess that's why he is encouraged to speak up like he does.

It doesn't mean that he should and he ought to know that given Shepard's background

[Nostradamoose]

Jacob is actually always right... Except when he talks about geth and going through conducts...

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Jacob is actually always right... Except when he talks about geth and going through conducts...

Not on Thane, he isn't.

[Collider]

Thane is heavy risk, pyro.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Collider wrote...

Thane is heavy risk, pyro.

But the priiiize.

[DigitalMaster37]

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[Nightwriter]

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[Sharn01]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Jacob is actually always right... Except when he talks about geth and going through conducts...

The advice he gives is always bad in any major decision, such as promising that Veetor will not be tortured and heading to the IFF as soon as possible with out taking anymore time for preparation's.

He is also extremely insubordinate, and almost seems to whine once or twice if you do not take his advice.

He just rubbed me the wrong way in everything he did after getting the Normandy, and I was not fond of him before that because of the whole Cerberus thing, but up until that point he seemed that if I was going to like someone from Cerberus he would be it.  I guess Bioware just figured a few lines of I dont really trust Cerberus at the very beginning with nothing to prove its more then words is enough to establish him.  I am from the school of thought that you can tell me something until I am blue in the face, but until you back up the claim with facts or better yet, show me the proof in your actions I will not believe you.

His romance has been stated many times both by myself and others, the horrible forced flirting with Shepard acting beyond player control, the I am not good enough for Miranda but I am for you line, and the priize porno scene being its largest problems.

Add it all up and there is just a lot of reasons to not like Jacob if these are things that rub you the wrong way.

[Nightwriter]

Yeah, I did notice a few times he was insubordinate.

When I took Jacob and Miranda to Archangel's recruitment mission and instructed Jacob to stay and protect Garrus, Jacob objects; he doesn't want to stay. It surprised me, I didn't expect it.

However if you tell Miranda to stay and protect Garrus she does not object at all, but follows your orders. I always wondered why this was.

[rorrim180]

Probably because it's the year 2185 and your only black squad member talks about "gettin' loud" and "spillin' drinks on the Citadel" after saving the galaxy. All of this said while Jacob and Shepard embrace in a handshake/lock thug hug...that's what did it for me, anyway. His uniform should have had a big T on the front of it. Bioware would have been better off if he was less like Independence Day Will Smith and more like I Am Legend Will Smith, only without all of the crazy "talking to mannequins" stuff.

I liked his honesty though.

Modifié par rorrim180, 03 mai 2010 - 06:09 .

[Aniki_21]

rorrim180 wrote...

Probably because it's the year 2185 and your only black squad member talks about "gettin' loud" and "spillin' drinks on the Citadel" after saving the galaxy. All of this said while Jacob and Shepard embrace in a handshake/lock thug hug...that's what did it for me, anyway. His uniform should have had a big T on the front of it. Bioware would have been better off if he was less like Independence Day Will Smith and more like I Am Legend Will Smith, only without all of the crazy "talking to mannequins" stuff.

I liked his honesty though.

You forgot his infamous battle cry. Gravity is one mean mutha!  :kissing:Still besides a few hiccups i think he was just fine.

[JJames74]

rorrim180 wrote...

Probably because it's the year 2185 and your only black squad member talks about "gettin' loud" and "spillin' drinks on the Citadel" after saving the galaxy. All of this said while Jacob and Shepard embrace in a handshake/lock thug hug...that's what did it for me, anyway. His uniform should have had a big T on the front of it. Bioware would have been better off if he was less like Independence Day Will Smith and more like I Am Legend Will Smith, only without all of the crazy "talking to mannequins" stuff.

I liked his honesty though.

Why does Jacob have to be like Will Smith?

[Nazomi]

Sharn01 wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Jacob is actually always right... Except when he talks about geth and going through conducts...

The advice he gives is always bad in any major decision, such as promising that Veetor will not be tortured and heading to the IFF as soon as possible with out taking anymore time for preparation's.

He is also extremely insubordinate, and almost seems to whine once or twice if you do not take his advice.

He just rubbed me the wrong way in everything he did after getting the Normandy, and I was not fond of him before that because of the whole Cerberus thing, but up until that point he seemed that if I was going to like someone from Cerberus he would be it.  I guess Bioware just figured a few lines of I dont really trust Cerberus at the very beginning with nothing to prove its more then words is enough to establish him.  I am from the school of thought that you can tell me something until I am blue in the face, but until you back up the claim with facts or better yet, show me the proof in your actions I will not believe you.

His romance has been stated many times both by myself and others, the horrible forced flirting with Shepard acting beyond player control, the I am not good enough for Miranda but I am for you line, and the priize porno scene being its largest problems.

Add it all up and there is just a lot of reasons to not like Jacob if these are things that rub you the wrong way.

Yeah i don't really get why the writers decided to have Jacob give really bad advice all the time. That was kind of strange. But then again the people who don't like him seem to take delight in sending him through the ventilation shaft to is inevedible demise.

[Collider]

Jacob's a nice guy, but he's less flashy than the other squad mates and he does tend to rub people the wrong way on his reactions to Shepard's actions (recruitment, etc)

[Nazomi]

Collider wrote...

Jacob's a nice guy, but he's less flashy than the other squad mates and he does tend to rub people the wrong way on his reactions to Shepard's actions (recruitment, etc)

As was mentioned before Jacob really only had one openly negative reaction to a new recruit which was Thane because he's an Assassin. Some people try to say he had an attitude with Tali but that's completely unfounded.

[Beholderess]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Probably because you told the guy with a shotgun to sit in the snipers nest, just an idea.

Hmm, it makes sence. I always thought that Jacob's objection meant that he doesn't care if Garrus lives or dies, but perhaps I've been mistaken about that.
It isn't clear if an objection meant "Leaving someone with Garrus is a bad idea" or "Leaving Jacob in particular with Garrus is a bad idea".

[JJames74]

Nazomi wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jacob's a nice guy, but he's less flashy than the other squad mates and he does tend to rub people the wrong way on his reactions to Shepard's actions (recruitment, etc)

As was mentioned before Jacob really only had one openly negative reaction to a new recruit which was Thane because he's an Assassin. Some people try to say he had an attitude with Tali but that's completely unfounded.

I have heard from other threads that he has a personal issue with mercs and assassins (and therefore Thane) in particular because of the cell phone game he was in where he saved the citadel.  I haven't played it so I can't say for certain but he explains it some when you bring him to Ish after getting packages for him on Omega.

[Nostradamoose]

Beholderess wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Probably because you told the guy with a shotgun to sit in the snipers nest, just an idea.

Hmm, it makes sence. I always thought that Jacob's objection meant that he doesn't care if Garrus lives or dies, but perhaps I've been mistaken about that.
It isn't clear if an objection meant "Leaving someone with Garrus is a bad idea" or "Leaving Jacob in particular with Garrus is a bad idea".

What, perhaps he wanted a piece of the action downstairs or perhaps he didn't think he could do much up there...

[Nazomi]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah, I did notice a few times he was insubordinate.

When I took Jacob and Miranda to Archangel's recruitment mission and instructed Jacob to stay and protect Garrus, Jacob objects; he doesn't want to stay. It surprised me, I didn't expect it.

However if you tell Miranda to stay and protect Garrus she does not object at all, but follows your orders. I always wondered why this was.

Probably because you told the guy with a shotgun to sit in the snipers nest, just an idea.

Well he has a heavy pistol too you know.

Modifié par Nazomi, 04 mai 2010 - 10:55 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

While I don't doubt that some people dislike Jacob because the character is black, I don't think it is a major factor in why he is generally the least popular squadmate among the fanbase. Captain Anderson after all is also black, and he is a popular character among the fanbase.

[Markinator_123]

I find it interesting how people say Kaidan was whiny. Jacob is more whiny than Kaidan ever was. Plus, he is an idiot.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 05 mai 2010 - 02:21 .

[Collider]

Kaidan never whined...kind of overreacted pre-Ilos though. I don't blame him.