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[askanec]

I don't see how resemblance to Kanye (perceived or otherwise) should affect how people view Jacob. Even if Jacob is modeled after Kanye, they are separate characters. Does Jacob's all-around good guy image affect how you view Kanye West?



I guess haters just gotta



[x] hate

[ ] not hate

[Substance-E]

Well, as the disgruntled turian in the citadel says... "You humans are all racist!"

[Jetpackshark]

For me, Jake and Jack were the characters I paid little to no attention to. I liked Tali as she was with me in the first game so there was a little more to her story in regards to my character. Legion just made me go "wow" and it is a really interesting character. Garrus is probably my favorite character, similar to the character Big Daddy from Kickass. Mordin is always funny, especially the part where he sings. Miranda is a love interest, and an interesting character as well (Interesting as in a box of tissues and lotion). Grunt made me think of Wrex, I really liked Wrex in the first game. I always ignored Jake and Jack the entire game because I always forgot they existed.

[IMethos]

Valcutio wrote...

Jacob looks like a douche (Kanye) and speaks like he came from a ghetto, not space..

now THAT'S a racist comment...please explain how Jacob sounds like he is from the Ghetto? Becuase he doesn't sound like he is from boston, South Carolina, the UK, Australia? 

[Substance-E]

IMethos wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Jacob looks like a douche (Kanye) and speaks like he came from a ghetto, not space..

now THAT'S a racist comment...please explain how Jacob sounds like he is from the Ghetto? Becuase he doesn't sound like he is from boston, South Carolina, the UK, Australia? 

He just needs a British accent and the Mr Peanut get up and then all will love him...

[Aniki_21]

IMethos wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Jacob looks like a douche (Kanye) and speaks like he came from a ghetto, not space..

now THAT'S a racist comment...please explain how Jacob sounds like he is from the Ghetto? Becuase he doesn't sound like he is from boston, South Carolina, the UK, Australia? 

Well I do think the fact that he clearly seems at least partially modeled after Kanye. I don't think that helpede him with some people. I don't get why they didn't just stay with his original look but whatever.

[JJames74]

askanec wrote...

I guess haters just gotta

[x] hate
[ ] not hate

The 2nd appearance pack DLC should include a new outfit for Jacob w/ hata blockas.

[Solmanian]

jacob is a vanguard without a charge. from my pov, that leaves him as a 2nd rate biotic, who can't dps for crap and usually the first to go down... he can't compete with grunt resilience, or garrus/thane/legion sniping interferencce, miranda disruption, or jack/asari wench croud control. even Tali might be usefull in the ocassional mech/geth heavy missions... but jacob? srsly? he's the slow kid in the classroom...

[Nostradamoose]

Aniki_21 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Don't you know? Any independent black guy who doesn't speak white is from the ghetto. It's a fact.

Ummm. What's speaking white exactly?

Speak white means speak English...

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Daralii wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Oh shut up OP. Jacob is the Kaiden Alenko of ME2.

The only factor way that race factored into any of this is EA/Bioware's total misfire trying to attract as many demographics to their game as possible.

Granted, Kaiden had something resembling a personality. Jacob only has cheesy dialog.

Also, the priiiiiize.

Poor Jacob, I didnt mind him but I didnt do any LI with him and I'm not interested to do so.

I'm not sure Kaiden has a personality though either... (too whiney... )

[Aniki_21]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Don't you know? Any independent black guy who doesn't speak white is from the ghetto. It's a fact.

Ummm. What's speaking white exactly?

Speak white means speak English...

Oh okay. Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't realize there more than just whites spoke English. <_<
But seriously folks i don't think this is a particularly serious complaint to make about Jacob.

[Collider]

what isn't?

[Nostradamoose]

Well, actually Speak white means speaking proper english. Sort of used as a derogatory term to tell other people to speak english.

[JJames74]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Don't you know? Any independent black guy who doesn't speak white is from the ghetto. It's a fact.

EDI  "That is a joke."

[Dean_the_Young]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Well, actually Speak white means speaking proper english. Sort of used as a derogatory term to tell other people to speak english.

Not even proper english. More like New England college-educated English.

[MorseDenizen]

I dont think it has anything to do with his accent or his race for me, he's just a bland, one dimentional character who like Drumknott, has no discernible personality, with a back story which isnt exactly engaging; (the "my father disappeared ten years ago" sob story), in terms of skill he's not as good as Jack and not as interesting as Miranda (though I cant say she wins any awards from me, the obligatory eye candy/corproate **** can be tedious).

Jacob's generic disgruntled Alliance/Black Ops Marine turned Secret Agent for the most unpopular Organisation known to man cos he just wants to help people (a la Rob Lowe who quit west wing to pursue similar roles in 2 series that got canned).

I feel Jacob has no depth, I liked him for all of 5 minutes, but his lack of any kind of grasp on what was going on around him, and his dogmatic good guy stance is tiresome.

Tali'zorah, Garrus, Legion, Zaeed, and Mordin all have pretty good stories and more than a bit of personality by comparison.

[Dean_the_Young]

Tali's pretty much a stereotype of her people, and a young maiden archetype that's been old since the Middle Ages. Young girl whisked away by dashing military officer, troubled by the loss of loving mother in her youth and an overly stern father...



Zaeed's a classic over the top mercenary, Garrus's main point of interest is that he's a good/bad cop (your influence) who goes rogue and gets burned.



I will agree that Legion and Mordin are interesting: Legion isn't even supposed to be human, and Mordin's a war criminal who insists on justifying what he's done.

[Aniki_21]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Well, actually Speak white means speaking proper english. Sort of used as a derogatory term to tell other people to speak english.

Not even proper english. More like New England college-educated English.

A lot of white Southerners in the U.S. don't speak proper English.

[MorseDenizen]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Tali's pretty much a stereotype of her people, and a young maiden archetype that's been old since the Middle Ages. Young girl whisked away by dashing military officer, troubled by the loss of loving mother in her youth and an overly stern father...

Zaeed's a classic over the top mercenary, Garrus's main point of interest is that he's a good/bad cop (your influence) who goes rogue and gets burned.

I will agree that Legion and Mordin are interesting: Legion isn't even supposed to be human, and Mordin's a war criminal who insists on justifying what he's done.

While I can completely see and agree with your point of view about Garrus, Zaeed and Tali'zorah ,they are pretty much standard, they definitely have hell of a lot more to the them than Jacob who while coming from a similar stereotype has nonetheless  nothing to recommend him in my opinion, his biotics arent what you'd call spectacular in combat, his character is all of brooding none of content and all he does the intire came is scowl ****** off/moan about new team members to shepard, and polish weapons. I finished stolen memory last night and I also took Kasumi with me to Pragia, she was immediately more interesting than Jacob without even trying.
This may annoy some  people here but he's like  Valygar in BGII apart from the planar sphere he was dull and uninteresting.

Modifié par MorseDenizen, 08 mai 2010 - 09:37 .

[Nazomi]

MorseDenizen wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Tali's pretty much a stereotype of her people, and a young maiden archetype that's been old since the Middle Ages. Young girl whisked away by dashing military officer, troubled by the loss of loving mother in her youth and an overly stern father...

Zaeed's a classic over the top mercenary, Garrus's main point of interest is that he's a good/bad cop (your influence) who goes rogue and gets burned.

I will agree that Legion and Mordin are interesting: Legion isn't even supposed to be human, and Mordin's a war criminal who insists on justifying what he's done.

While I can completely see and agree with your point of view about Garrus, Zaeed and Tali'zorah ,they are pretty much standard, they definitely have hell of a lot more to the them than Jacob who while coming from a similar stereotype has nonetheless  nothing to recommend him in my opinion, his biotics arent what you'd call spectacular in combat, his character is all of brooding none of content and all he does the intire came is scowl ****** off/moan about new team members to shepard, and polish weapons. I finished stolen memory last night and I also took Kasumi with me to Pragia, she was immediately more interesting than Jacob without even trying.
This may annoy some  people here but he's like  Valygar in BGII apart from the planar sphere he was dull and uninteresting.

I'd really like to see you elaborate on why you think Kasumi is more interesting than character than Jacob based on her personality alone and not what she does or how she's dressed.

[jmood88]

It's pretty obvious that race has something to do with his lack of popularity. The same people singing the praises of the worthless Kaidan complain about Jacob even though they are pretty much the exact same character, except Jacob is better in combat.

[ElvenLass94]

To be quite honest, Jacob is man to have at one's side when attending a social setting, such as a party, a dinner, etc. Yet aboard the Normandy, where the most highly trained and deadly creatures mobilize themselves for battle with an unknown adversary.. Well, suffice it to say, the writes basically dropped the ball in regard to poor old Jacob

I don't know about the majority, but when I play a game, I usually search for the 'out of this world' character and make he or she my number 1 choice pertaining to interactions. Jacob was DEFINITELY NOT deep, nor sensitive and when I urged him to open up about his feelings a little bit, he simply dumped my FemShep, which was a bit confusing. An object of the game would be to know your fellow squad members more thoroughly, no? And if they are a potential love interest, they would not be so quick to discard their affection.

There are multiple factors in which one would choose to brand Jacob as an unsatisfactory character, and would be right to do so. Furthermore, being called the 'priiiiiize' when romancing him and saying that Miranda deserves a man better than he is, though he is still willing to indulge in desires with FemShep is severely disrespectful. The fact my FemShep looks as if she wants to jump his bones whenever they're having a conversation does not help his image either.

[Nazomi]

ElvenLass94 wrote...

To be quite honest, Jacob is man to have at one's side when attending a social setting, such as a party, a dinner, etc. Yet aboard the Normandy, where the most highly trained and deadly creatures mobilize themselves for battle with an unknown adversary.. Well, suffice it to say, the writes basically dropped the ball in regard to poor old Jacob
I don't know about the majority, but when I play a game, I usually search for the 'out of this world' character and make he or she my number 1 choice pertaining to interactions. Jacob was DEFINITELY NOT deep, nor sensitive and when I urged him to open up about his feelings a little bit, he simply dumped my FemShep, which was a bit confusing. An object of the game would be to know your fellow squad members more thoroughly, no? And if they are a potential love interest, they would not be so quick to discard their affection.
There are multiple factors in which one would choose to brand Jacob as an unsatisfactory character, and would be right to do so. Furthermore, being called the 'priiiiiize' when romancing him and saying that Miranda deserves a man better than he is, though he is still willing to indulge in desires with FemShep is severely disrespectful. The fact my FemShep looks as if she wants to jump his bones whenever they're having a conversation does not help his image either.

As I recall you have to romance Jacob as Femshep to get him to open up more.

[thisischeesey]

Playing Insanity, I needed characters that could "survive." All of them act stupid if not constantly monitored. Jacob & Legion, then Samara survived better in the final mission then the others. I needed shields or additional armor and biotics, the drone was a great help. They all seem to love jumping in front of my sniper rifle when I was taking down multiple enemies. Jacob surprised me many times by his ability to survive in charges where Jack or Miranda died (too many times). I used them all. On Insanity count on them dying and find & move around defensible cover.

[Nazomi]

I definitely appreiciated Jacob more on my Insanity playthrough. I've seem people knocking his pull ability but i found it to be pretty invaluable early on.