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[Aniki_21]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

If its not obvious then you have nothing to worry about.

Criptic much? is it just because you don't like it that you think i should remove it?

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm not in a position to love or hate it.



But I do enjoy discussing that pic as of the moment.

[Aniki_21]

.....right well moving on then. Lets get back to talking about Jacob

[Nostradamoose]

I like Jacob

[Nazomi]

The thing is that i can understand Jacob not exactly being your favorite character but the fact that there is such a large number of people who actively dislike him is pretty bizarre and disturbing.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Jacob is my bro

[077Lasombra]

I'll throw in my bits.



1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^

2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.

3. Dialogue is not very compelling

4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>

5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.



In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.



But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.



And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.



Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

[Nazomi]

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

[Aniki_21]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Talihaters are far more annoying

I think they've all been eliminated by now actually.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I'll reinforce this point.  Cole Train is one of the dumbest most insensitive portrayals out there and just reinforces how inept the writers at Epic are.

Also Baret is pretty much a stereotype as well in the way he talks.  Expecting all black characters to act that way kind of reinforces some of the poing of the OP.  People disagreeing with that are clearly jaded and missing the bigger picture.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Aniki_21 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The Talihaters are far more annoying

I think they've all been eliminated by now actually.

Been wondering why things were so calm all of a sudden...

[Beholderess]

Cain_Novaburn wrote...

I had a conversation with a friend of mine about Jacob. I had just started and my friend had beaten the game. He said he didn't like Jacob at all and I said I actually liked him. However, after playing through the game and meeting the rest of the team Jacob moved his way to the back of the list. 

Since then I have come to this revalation, he was an intresting character at the beginning because he filled you in on everything and gave you a lot of intresting information about what was going on at the time but after that he really didn't give you anything. Going to see Jacob was almost as bad as Garrus always making those damn calibrations. Jacob was the classic character used to bring people up to speed and once they are up to speed, the character becomes useless. Same thing goes for Kaiden, although Bioware gave him a slightly better personality. At least he had a decent backstory. 

This!
Jacob was interesting at the beginning. A shame that he wasn't later on.

[Beholderess]

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I think that Jacob should have been anything but normal, in order to not fade into background when compared to the rest of the crew. Explore his background, give him a couple of unresolved issues, some sort of personality quirk...

[mosor]

Beholderess wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I think that Jacob should have been anything but normal, in order to not fade into background when compared to the rest of the crew. Explore his background, give him a couple of unresolved issues, some sort of personality quirk...

Jacob is different. He's your most grounded. emotionally stable squadmate. No real issues that he can't deal with on his own.

[Aniki_21]

mosor wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I think that Jacob should have been anything but normal, in order to not fade into background when compared to the rest of the crew. Explore his background, give him a couple of unresolved issues, some sort of personality quirk...

Jacob is different. He's your most grounded. emotionally stable squadmate. No real issues that he can't deal with on his own.

Yet somehow he's still not a very liked character for a lot of people. Sure there were a few hiccups with the romance dialogue but if anyone actually enjoyed the romance with raptor face then just wow!

[bthillman]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I'll reinforce this point.  Cole Train is one of the dumbest most insensitive portrayals out there and just reinforces how inept the writers at Epic are.

Also Baret is pretty much a stereotype as well in the way he talks.  Expecting all black characters to act that way kind of reinforces some of the poing of the OP.  People disagreeing with that are clearly jaded and missing the bigger picture.

^ You don't need to have stereotypes to make interesting characters.  Jacob had potential to be interesting, he just wasn't written well, and thus why people don't like him very much.



...I did like Cole though...

Modifié par bthillman, 12 mai 2010 - 05:05 .

[Beholderess]

mosor wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I think that Jacob should have been anything but normal, in order to not fade into background when compared to the rest of the crew. Explore his background, give him a couple of unresolved issues, some sort of personality quirk...

Jacob is different. He's your most grounded. emotionally stable squadmate. No real issues that he can't deal with on his own.

Exactly. And that's one of the things that make him the least interesting squadmate for me.
Again, he would be fine in another game, but in ME2 it feels as if he's got on board of Normandy by some mistake=).

[Beholderess]

bthillman wrote...

^ You don't need to have stereotypes to make interesting characters.  Jacob had potential to be interesting, he just wasn't written well, and thus why people don't like him very much.



...I did like Cole though...

Agreed!
The saddest thing is that Jacob has tons of wasted potential. If only it could be used...Corsair past, dangerous missions for Alliance - this got to give him a lot of stories to tell, way cooler than Zaeed's. Dissatisfaction with both Alliance and Cerberus - could lead to some interesting discussion about morality, goals and methods, preferrably without making Jacob look like a hypocrite. Heck, even his normality could be used as an advantage if it was recognised by the game as something that differs him from the rest of the squad, and some attention was called to it.


Lol, and I still don't know who is this Cole everyone keeps mentioning. Shame on me.

[Beholderess]

Aniki_21 wrote...

Yet somehow he's still not a very liked character for a lot of people. Sure there were a few hiccups with the romance dialogue but if anyone actually enjoyed the romance with raptor face then just wow!

Face is not important, you know.

[Aniki_21]

bthillman wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I'll reinforce this point.  Cole Train is one of the dumbest most insensitive portrayals out there and just reinforces how inept the writers at Epic are.

Also Baret is pretty much a stereotype as well in the way he talks.  Expecting all black characters to act that way kind of reinforces some of the poing of the OP.  People disagreeing with that are clearly jaded and missing the bigger picture.

^ You don't need to have stereotypes to make interesting characters.  Jacob had potential to be interesting, he just wasn't written well, and thus why people don't like him very much.



...I did like Cole though...

Umm who is that and how can you like Cole Train? He's awful. <_<

[Andaius20]

Indeed, as a M1Shep, he was one of my bro's like Garrus a comrade in arms. For my Femshep, his romance was facepalm inducing. Combat wise he was kinda lacking. He has weak abilities and poor weapon selection. for his abilities. There's virtually always some one better as a choice. So he stayed in the Armory most of the game in all my plays

[bthillman]

Aniki_21 wrote...

bthillman wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

077Lasombra wrote...

I'll throw in my bits.

1. Jacob isn't my least like character. Kaiden is. Tis why he DIED in ME1 ^.^
2. Weapons and skills are..meh at best. Doesn't offer anything the others can do better.
3. Dialogue is not very compelling
4. LI was...embarrassing. I felt bad for attempting it. >..>
5. Personality was a bit uptight and confrontational. One line he is "Shep is in charge, whatever you say goes" but when it comes to the other crew he goes 180.

In short, out of the bunch, he doesn't shine and seems...out of place. Oddly reminds me of Pressley. Doesn't contribute much, besides the Armor upgrade, and sticks out as more die-hard loyalist than the Cerberus Cheerleader.

But like I said, I disliked Kadien and even Zaaed (bleh) more. Jacob has potential just wasn't polished enough to shine.

And I'm biracial myself. And honestly, I don't think its skin color. I don't recall people saying anything about Oblivion, Halo (Johnson is Awesome!), FFVII (Barret was a fav), Gears of War ( Cole Train BABY!), ect.

Its all about panache...and in a game you expect characters to be vibrant, Jacob is just lacking.

So you think Jacob should have been more stereotypical like Cole Train rather than just "normal"? That's one of the things i liked about Jacob. He wasn't just another stereotype but a normal guy.

I'll reinforce this point.  Cole Train is one of the dumbest most insensitive portrayals out there and just reinforces how inept the writers at Epic are.

Also Baret is pretty much a stereotype as well in the way he talks.  Expecting all black characters to act that way kind of reinforces some of the poing of the OP.  People disagreeing with that are clearly jaded and missing the bigger picture.

*snip*
^ You don't need to have stereotypes to make interesting characters.  Jacob had potential to be interesting, he just wasn't written well, and thus why people don't like him very much.



...I did like Cole though...

Umm who is that and how can you like Cole Train? He's awful. <_<

Zasalamel, Soul Calibur III & IV and probably one of the most interesting characters in the continuity (IMO).

As for liking Cole: Who would you rather watch your back, Cole or Baird?  How about Cole or Carmine? (<-- That is a joke.)  Cole is one of the more charasimatic  characters in Gears.  Is he there for comic relief?  Absolutely.  I still feel your squad (Or game, possibly) would be bland without him.  He has more personality than most of the other characters combined, especially in the novel. 

Again, this is just how I feel about him and I accept everyone will have differing opinions.  Regardless, perhaps the discussion should shift back to Jacob.  

Modifié par bthillman, 12 mai 2010 - 05:02 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Aniki_21 wrote...


^ You don't need to have stereotypes to make interesting characters.  Jacob had potential to be interesting, he just wasn't written well, and thus why people don't like him very much.

Stereotypes in that picture alone:

Extreme masculine black, with bulging veins emphasizing strength and viritility. (Actually one of the more racist trends in the porn industry: the black guy almost always tops).

The fill-it-in primitive animal insignia and copper emblems: a draw back to primitive African cultures and technology, but also emphasizing strength and cunning.

Hooded robe and staff with animal-imagery  weapon(bird-eye scyth head): scythes aren't a modern civilized weapon, but as a staff emblem it combines to call forth a mystical shaminism tradition, accented by the previous copper animal emblems of a primitive but magical and wise/insightful individual. The wise savage, who despite being so far removed from the modern world and technology is insightful and knows thing no modern person would and is capable of the mystical and supernatural.

Also called the Magic ****** character. The way his hood shadows his face also implies he is a silent, withdrawn character, letting his imposing figure keep idle chatter away, but also suggesting that everything he does say is backed by weighted considerations and heavy insights.

White clothes on a black man: a whole lot there that should be obvious.

[Nazomi]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...


^ You don't need to have stereotypes to make interesting characters.  Jacob had potential to be interesting, he just wasn't written well, and thus why people don't like him very much.

Stereotypes in that picture alone:

Extreme masculine black, with bulging veins emphasizing strength and viritility. (Actually one of the more racist trends in the porn industry: the black guy almost always tops).

The fill-it-in primitive animal insignia and copper emblems: a draw back to primitive African cultures and technology, but also emphasizing strength and cunning.

Hooded robe and staff with animal-imagery  weapon(bird-eye scyth head): scythes aren't a modern civilized weapon, but as a staff emblem it combines to call forth a mystical shaminism tradition, accented by the previous copper animal emblems of a primitive but magical and wise/insightful individual. The wise savage, who despite being so far removed from the modern world and technology is insightful and knows thing no modern person would and is capable of the mystical and supernatural.

Also called the Magic ****** character. The way his hood shadows his face also implies he is a silent, withdrawn character, letting his imposing figure keep idle chatter away, but also suggesting that everything he does say is backed by weighted considerations and heavy insights.

White clothes on a black man: a whole lot there that should be obvious.

Huh?

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'd rather have Baird at my back because he is the only character that makes sense in Gears of War.



Apparantly Carmine is suppose to be a running joke even though his death in the first one was not funny at all.



****ing hell the writers at Epic are nimrods... If Unreal Tournament 3 wasn't evidence enough...



Also the guy from Soul Calibur is pretty cool. He is nothing like Cole Train though.



Coach from Left 4 Dead 2 is a well made, so is Eli Vance and many others not Cole Train though