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[Mk001]

His loyalty mission is irritating, throughout the entire mission his entire dialog consists of...

"My father this...!!" and "My father that...!" again and again and again.

[Aniki_21]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Madi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Madi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Madi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Madi wrote...
The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black.

I have made this post before. It's not an elephant in the room - it's a racist. (OPs first statement)

I too am confused by this post.  Is it even possible for an elephant to be racist?

Hello OP, I have no idea if elephants can be racist, what I do know is that you are. No offense of course :-)

Oh okay. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks for clearing that up. Would you mind explaining to everyone here how you find me to be a racist or are you satistied with making outrageous, blanket statements about people and leaving at that?

OP, it pretty obvious.

Well said Johnny. Totally not a cheap, cop out answer. Please carry on.

Not my fault OP. Whether you forgive me or not for not being deferential to your position that Jacob is disliked cos he is black is... well, kind of unimportant. Most people don't like him not because he is black... so... back to the closet for your racism?

Johnny please You are entitled to your opinion and everything however baseless it may be but you're kind of being a bit of an incoherent douche. <_<

[JohnnyBeGood2]

It's really not that incomprehensible. OP says Jacob is disliked because he is black... so um... that is all ?? (question marks because there is nothing more to it, unless I'm missing something). I am saying, without question, OP is racist. Again, not sure what I'm missing, or what you are missing??

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 09 juin 2010 - 12:57 .

[Aniki_21]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

It's really not that incomprehensible. OP says Jacob is disliked because he is black... so um... that is all ?? (question marks because there is nothing more to it, unless I'm missing something). I am saying, without question, OP is racist. Again, not sure what I'm missing, or what you are missing??

So let me get this straight. You're saying the OP is racist because (you believe) he is saying that Jacob is unpoppular because of racism against him? So your logic is that a person who thinks racism may play a part in something makes them a racist themselves because you disagree? Is that about right?

[theriddlen]

OP is racist, because only "bad" thing he finds in Jacob is his skin colour.



For other people, Jacob is just totally boring and has no interesting story or personality.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

It's really not that incomprehensible. OP says Jacob is disliked because he is black... so um... that is all ?? (question marks because there is nothing more to it, unless I'm missing something). I am saying, without question, OP is racist. Again, not sure what I'm missing, or what you are missing??

So let me get this straight. You're saying the OP is racist because (you believe) he is saying that Jacob is unpoppular because of racism against him? So your logic is that a person who thinks racism may play a part in something makes them a racist themselves because you disagree? Is that about right?

At some point I actually thought the OP was feigning arbitration of the discussion as opposed to taking a position (which is what you are saying he is doing). I am saying his attempt at arbitration is a thinly veiled effort at masking his own view yes.

I am not saying that a person who thinks racism plays a part in something makes them racist I am saying the OPs attempt at arbitrating the discussion is a pretty thinly veiled attempt at masking his position.

You don't seek data by asserting its conclusion... thats, um, flaming ??

Further, while being useless in terms of what it might mean, it's pretty clearly just wrong... for the most part Jacob being black is and was irrelevant.. except to those who believe it to be some kind of unspoken elephant that we shouldn't talk about... it never even crossed my mind so yes, I immediately saw the OP as racist and am yet to be convinced otherwise in anything he's presented.

I actually found it completely absurd and a little sad.

[Aniki_21]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

It's really not that incomprehensible. OP says Jacob is disliked because he is black... so um... that is all ?? (question marks because there is nothing more to it, unless I'm missing something). I am saying, without question, OP is racist. Again, not sure what I'm missing, or what you are missing??

So let me get this straight. You're saying the OP is racist because (you believe) he is saying that Jacob is unpoppular because of racism against him? So your logic is that a person who thinks racism may play a part in something makes them a racist themselves because you disagree? Is that about right?

At some point I actually thought the OP was feigning arbitration of the discussion as opposed to taking a position (which is what you are saying he is doing). I am saying his attempt at arbitration is a thinly veiled effort at masking his own view yes.

I am not saying that a person who thinks racism plays a part in something makes them racist I am saying the OPs attempt at arbitrating the discussion is a pretty thinly veiled attempt at masking his position.

You don't seek data by asserting its conclusion... thats, um, flaming ??

Further, while being useless in terms of what it might mean, it's pretty clearly just wrong... for the most part Jacob being black is and was irrelevant.. except to those who believe it to be some kind of unspoken elephant that we shouldn't talk about... it never even crossed my mind so yes, I immediately saw the OP as racist and am yet to be convinced otherwise in anything he's presented.

I actually found it completely absurd and a little sad.

You don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer as to why you feel the way you do. The OP is simply saying he believes that Jacob being black may play a part in his unpopularity. Not because white gamers necessary hate black people but because some people just can't relate to black characters as well.  Probably why 99% of lead protagonists are white. Do you think that's a coincidence? Sorry but i think you have your head  up your backside. Perhaps you have your own issues concerning this subject. Disagreeing with claims of "racism" is one thing but reacting in a flat out hostile manner is pretty telling about your own demeanor i'm afraid.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

It's really not that incomprehensible. OP says Jacob is disliked because he is black... so um... that is all ?? (question marks because there is nothing more to it, unless I'm missing something). I am saying, without question, OP is racist. Again, not sure what I'm missing, or what you are missing??

So let me get this straight. You're saying the OP is racist because (you believe) he is saying that Jacob is unpoppular because of racism against him? So your logic is that a person who thinks racism may play a part in something makes them a racist themselves because you disagree? Is that about right?

At some point I actually thought the OP was feigning arbitration of the discussion as opposed to taking a position (which is what you are saying he is doing). I am saying his attempt at arbitration is a thinly veiled effort at masking his own view yes.

I am not saying that a person who thinks racism plays a part in something makes them racist I am saying the OPs attempt at arbitrating the discussion is a pretty thinly veiled attempt at masking his position.

You don't seek data by asserting its conclusion... thats, um, flaming ??

Further, while being useless in terms of what it might mean, it's pretty clearly just wrong... for the most part Jacob being black is and was irrelevant.. except to those who believe it to be some kind of unspoken elephant that we shouldn't talk about... it never even crossed my mind so yes, I immediately saw the OP as racist and am yet to be convinced otherwise in anything he's presented.

I actually found it completely absurd and a little sad.

You don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer as to why you feel the way you do. The OP is simply saying he believes that Jacob being black may play a part in his unpopularity. Not because white gamers necessary hate black people but because some people just can't relate to black characters as well.  Probably why 99% of lead protagonists are white. Do you think that's a coincidence? Sorry but i think you have your head  up your backside. Perhaps you have your own issues concerning this subject. Disagreeing with claims of "racism" is one thing but reacting in a flat out hostile manner is pretty telling about your own demeanor i'm afraid.

Yeah my own issue regarding the subject are that racism is undesirable and no, I'm not particularly well disposed to it.
"flat out hostile manner" is what racism is.... anyway, yer I'm not on the same page.. if you can't read the reply... look, I admit, I don't think that's my fault.

[Merlin 47]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Oh shut up OP. Jacob is the Kaiden Alenko of ME2.

The only factor way that race factored into any of this is EA/Bioware's total misfire trying to attract as many demographics to their game as possible.

Calling Jacob this is an insult to him.  Kaiden was a lot WORSE....and I dumped him the first opporutnity I got.  I found Jacob to be a much better character overall as opposed to Kaiden.

Daralii wrote...

Granted, Kaiden had something resembling a personality. Jacob only has cheesy dialog.


Also, the priiiiiize.

No....I found Kaiden to be very boring as a personality.  I found that he spoke far to quiet and talked about his time at Jump Zero.  That was a little cool, but aside from that, I found him to be very ho-hum as a character.  Hell, I found Doctor Chakwas to be more interesting than Kaiden.

Modifié par Merlin 47, 10 juin 2010 - 01:14 .

[Ulicus]

Jacob should have been awesome. He has an intriguing background and starred in his own game. Why his loyalty mission didn't involve one of the cool aspects of his history is beyond me.I think the game could have got by without yet another family problem.

[BrutalWolfs]

Well, personally I thought Kaiden and Jacob relatively dull.

[Beholderess]

Aniki_21 wrote...

You don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer as to why you feel the way you do. The OP is simply saying he believes that Jacob being black may play a part in his unpopularity. Not because white gamers necessary hate black people but because some people just can't relate to black characters as well.  Probably why 99% of lead protagonists are white. Do you think that's a coincidence? Sorry but i think you have your head  up your backside. Perhaps you have your own issues concerning this subject. Disagreeing with claims of "racism" is one thing but reacting in a flat out hostile manner is pretty telling about your own demeanor i'm afraid.

Thing is, Jacob is not a protagonist. He was a protagonist in his own game (and people liked him there, as fr as I understand), but in ME2 he is a sidekick. He is not here for player to identify with. He is here to be useful and entertaining for player. Some people fond him lacking in one or both. It's ok, it happens, tastes differ. Just because you like the character doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't has some hidden nefarios motives, like racism. For example, there are quite a lot of people who dislike Ashley, so what? I am not going to go around accusing them all blanketly of religion intolerance.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Beholderess wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

You don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer as to why you feel the way you do. The OP is simply saying he believes that Jacob being black may play a part in his unpopularity. Not because white gamers necessary hate black people but because some people just can't relate to black characters as well.  Probably why 99% of lead protagonists are white. Do you think that's a coincidence? Sorry but i think you have your head  up your backside. Perhaps you have your own issues concerning this subject. Disagreeing with claims of "racism" is one thing but reacting in a flat out hostile manner is pretty telling about your own demeanor i'm afraid.

Thing is, Jacob is not a protagonist. He was a protagonist in his own game (and people liked him there, as fr as I understand), but in ME2 he is a sidekick. He is not here for player to identify with. He is here to be useful and entertaining for player. Some people fond him lacking in one or both. It's ok, it happens, tastes differ. Just because you like the character doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't has some hidden nefarios motives, like racism. For example, there are quite a lot of people who dislike Ashley, so what? I am not going to go around accusing them all blanketly of religion intolerance.

Nah true what you say... we have kind of lost the dialogue associated with why and how here though.

[Beholderess]

By the way, there is another question for those who claim that Jacob is unpopular due to "lack of identification" I've asked several times and never received an answer to.

The more different 2 people are, the more difficult it is for one to identify with the other, right? Then just how is it easier to identify with an alien than with a dark-skinned man, pray tell? Is the difference between white and dark-skinned greater than between human and alien? If yes, then...well, then I don't know who in this thread should be called racist.

[Christmas Ape]

...how did this thread come back to what color codes were used in the skin texture files?
Jacob's problems stem from:
- Having an interesting past you can't get stories about.
- Being of middling combat effectiveness at best, with an awful weapon selection.
- Having a ******-poor and disconnected loyalty mission that some find offensive.
- Pulling a complete 180 from the friendly, more-honest-than-he-needs-to-be guy who helps you get off Lazarus Station into a pud who second-guesses your decisions with terrible advice (which incidentally should be Miranda's job as tIM's proxy), mouths off to almost every new recruit (I'd kill for an "I believe you have duties in the Armory, Mr. Taylor?" interrupt), and gives Shepard awkwardly stiff-looking salutes.
- Being FemShep poison, from her he's-made-of-sex voice acting to the awful final scene to the fact he'll dump you for giving too much of a damn about him.

"Darker skin texture files" is pretty much the least of his worries, I thought. How did we come back to this?

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 10 juin 2010 - 06:35 .

[Beholderess]

Christmas Ape wrote...

...how did this thread come back to what color codes were used in the skin texture files?
Jacob's problems stem from:
- Having an interesting past you can't get stories about.
- Being of middling combat effectiveness at best, with an awful weapon selection.
- Having a ******-poor and disconnected loyalty mission that some find offensive.
- Pulling a complete 180 from the friendly, more-honest-than-he-needs-to-be guy who helps you get off Lazarus Station into a pud who second-guesses your decisions with terrible advice (which incidentally should be Miranda's job as tIM's proxy), mouths off to almost every new recruit (I'd kill for an "I believe you have duties in the Armory, Mr. Taylor?" interrupt), and gives Shepard awkwardly stiff-looking salutes.
- Being FemShep poison, from her he's-made-of-sex voice acting to the awful final scene to the fact he'll dump you for giving too much of a damn about him.

"Darker skin texture files" is pretty much the least of his worries, I thought. How did we come back to this?

So true!
And yes, I'd love to have an interrupt in Jacob/Thane "welcoming" conversation.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Christmas Ape wrote...

...how did this thread come back to what color codes were used in the skin texture files?
Jacob's problems stem from:
- Having an interesting past you can't get stories about.
- Being of middling combat effectiveness at best, with an awful weapon selection.
- Having a ******-poor and disconnected loyalty mission that some find offensive.
- Pulling a complete 180 from the friendly, more-honest-than-he-needs-to-be guy who helps you get off Lazarus Station into a pud who second-guesses your decisions with terrible advice (which incidentally should be Miranda's job as tIM's proxy), mouths off to almost every new recruit (I'd kill for an "I believe you have duties in the Armory, Mr. Taylor?" interrupt), and gives Shepard awkwardly stiff-looking salutes.
- Being FemShep poison, from her he's-made-of-sex voice acting to the awful final scene to the fact he'll dump you for giving too much of a damn about him.

"Darker skin texture files" is pretty much the least of his worries, I thought. How did we come back to this?

I really do struggle to use him in combat effectively as the others.

[Aniki_21]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

It's really not that incomprehensible. OP says Jacob is disliked because he is black... so um... that is all ?? (question marks because there is nothing more to it, unless I'm missing something). I am saying, without question, OP is racist. Again, not sure what I'm missing, or what you are missing??

So let me get this straight. You're saying the OP is racist because (you believe) he is saying that Jacob is unpoppular because of racism against him? So your logic is that a person who thinks racism may play a part in something makes them a racist themselves because you disagree? Is that about right?

At some point I actually thought the OP was feigning arbitration of the discussion as opposed to taking a position (which is what you are saying he is doing). I am saying his attempt at arbitration is a thinly veiled effort at masking his own view yes.

I am not saying that a person who thinks racism plays a part in something makes them racist I am saying the OPs attempt at arbitrating the discussion is a pretty thinly veiled attempt at masking his position.

You don't seek data by asserting its conclusion... thats, um, flaming ??

Further, while being useless in terms of what it might mean, it's pretty clearly just wrong... for the most part Jacob being black is and was irrelevant.. except to those who believe it to be some kind of unspoken elephant that we shouldn't talk about... it never even crossed my mind so yes, I immediately saw the OP as racist and am yet to be convinced otherwise in anything he's presented.

I actually found it completely absurd and a little sad.

You don't seem to be able to give a coherent answer as to why you feel the way you do. The OP is simply saying he believes that Jacob being black may play a part in his unpopularity. Not because white gamers necessary hate black people but because some people just can't relate to black characters as well.  Probably why 99% of lead protagonists are white. Do you think that's a coincidence? Sorry but i think you have your head  up your backside. Perhaps you have your own issues concerning this subject. Disagreeing with claims of "racism" is one thing but reacting in a flat out hostile manner is pretty telling about your own demeanor i'm afraid.

Yeah my own issue regarding the subject are that racism is undesirable and no, I'm not particularly well disposed to it.
"flat out hostile manner" is what racism is.... anyway, yer I'm not on the same page.. if you can't read the reply... look, I admit, I don't think that's my fault.

A straight forward accusation such as calling someone a racist doesn't require contrived  Gobbledygook to explain yourself. I'm having doubts as to if you're actually serious or just decided to start trolling.

[Nazomi]

Filby08 wrote...

Ok, I'm going to butt in here and share my reaction to Jacob in Mass Effect 2.

I didn't read anyting about ME2 prior to playing it, aside from finding out about three of my new team members, A black dude, Some brunette chick and a bald chick. Coolio, lets play ME2.

Start playing intro. Hey cool, that must be the black guy I read about. haven't played many games with black guys in them, nice for a change. Hey, he's kinda nice, helping me out here. Geez looking at his teeth really hurts my eyes though...

Oh hey, that must be my other squad mate, her name's Miranda. Hello Miranda, I'm commander Shepherd, Thanks for bringing me back to li...oh ok I won't talk to you again, you're a little uptight...maybe if you wore looser pants you would feel more comfortable and possibly lose the attitude, but i'll keep it to myself. Jacob is my friend, I'll go talk to him.

Hey he's an alliance soldier now working for Cerberus, like me. Awesome, we have a bit in common. Oh neat, it's Tali! I love Tali. And Joker ! Woo and another, more awesome Normandy that has an actual reason to step foot in the captain's cabin (which later became 'Jesus i am so sick of feeding these fish' which then became 'So I have to start a lesbian relationship with my human Blackberry for someone to take care of my fish?' which THEN became 'Oh it looks nice enough empty...').

Well, all aboard! I'm gonna go talk to my friend, Jacob. See how's he's doing. Heya Jacob ! Wait...Shepherd? Shepherd ! What are you doing !? Get off that table ! Oh my god how embarrassing...

Ok, I'll go pick up these guys from Omega and maybe Jacob will forget that I may have violated Cerberus' sexual harassment policy against him...he seems to be a bit distant now...

Hey a salarian team member. Now this is new! I'm going to swap Miranda for him in this next mission so I don't have to keep wondering how much pain she is in because of that outfit. Ok, on to the next guy. Archangel? Seems a bit pretentious to call yourself Archa-OMG GARRUS !!! GARRUS GARRUS GARRUS !!! Oh no Garrus got shot !!! Oh no, Garrus is lost in his life !!! Oh no, Garrus doesn't have a table in his little room that I can jump on and make completely out-of-character sexual advances from (ok maybe I thought of this later when I found out he was a LI...) !!!

Now I have more people to talk to and I don't have to go back into the armoury and have Mr Suddenly-Turned-Passive-Agressive remind me about regulations that I have no intention of breaking !

And there you have it. For me he started off great. Then he was overshadowed by more interesting characters, coupled with the fact that I felt like bioware took control of MY Shepherd and turned her into a table humping sex offender every time I went to say hello to the friendly guy who helped me get out of the Cerberus facility.

And as far as I'm concerned Jacob isn't the most unpopular, Miranda is. Because Miranda is an idiot who wears heels to a gunfight.

I apologise for any typos, I don't have my glasses handy.
*edited to fix deadly wall of text*

Like the post for the most part but you lost me when you say Miranda is less popular than Jacob. Maybe to you she is  (Same with me) but she's a very popular character regardless if it's almost entirely based on her sex appeal.

[STG]

I think it was Shand who suggested once that Zaeed and Jakob should have been a single character. A badass veteran, former Alliance soldier and currently a Cerberus officer, with some cool stories and a bit more "wise advisor" like personality. Personally I would've preferred that to the Jakob we have now.



Nothing wrong with him, he's just a bit average. But when you're in a circus with a bunch of crazy clowns you rarely notice that average guy.



As far as him being black, if it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't have noticed.

[MotoSkunkX]

Why is this thread still alive?

[Beholderess]

Good question=)

[PillarBiter]

MotoSkunkX wrote...

Why is this thread still alive?

Rage is one hell of an aneasthetic!

[RetroActiv]

Ace of Anton wrote...

MrCry0 wrote...

MotoSkunkX wrote...

Why is this thread still alive?

Rage is one hell of an aneasthetic!

rage at what? your lack of spelling skills?

and anesthetic for what?

I get the feeling the poster was just using an excuse to quote Zaeed but mocking him for mispelling a word is kind of lame.