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[randar23rhenn]

 I actually really liked Jacob. In fact, I liked all the characters except Jack.

[Neuzhelin]

I liked Jacob more then Tali (liked quarians in Ascension novels tho), Kasumi (the worst diaologue ever) and Grunt (lolved Wrex tho). I honestly don't understand why the hate towards Jacob is about. He is mediocore like Miranda and Jack. As you can tell, I find other characters interesting and some very intriguing (Legion, Mordin, Morinth, Garrus)

The hate might be be a subconcious thing as the OP implied, because honestly Jacob is in many ways similar to the protagonist (saving council, top alliance soldier, forced to join cerberus in ME2, broken family, heroic). I like him much more then Kaidan because despite being a biotic he does not whine about it.

Modifié par Neuzhelin, 11 juin 2010 - 01:38 .

[Nightwriter]

STG wrote...

I think it was Shand who suggested once that Zaeed and Jakob should have been a single character. A badass veteran, former Alliance soldier and currently a Cerberus officer, with some cool stories and a bit more "wise advisor" like personality. Personally I would've preferred that to the Jakob we have now.

Nothing wrong with him, he's just a bit average. But when you're in a circus with a bunch of crazy clowns you rarely notice that average guy.

As far as him being black, if it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't have noticed.

It would've worked, if Jacob hadn't already been a pre-existing character.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Yeah my own issue regarding the subject are that racism is undesirable and no, I'm not particularly well disposed to it.
"flat out hostile manner" is what racism is.... anyway, yer I'm not on the same page.. if you can't read the reply... look, I admit, I don't think that's my fault.

A straight forward accusation such as calling someone a racist doesn't require contrived  Gobbledygook to explain yourself. I'm having doubts as to if you're actually serious or just decided to start trolling.

Aniki, on a couple of occassions you actually missed what was said, called it gobbledygook when you just didn't get it and then really would rather just have a spray instead of getting it right so...
I admit I don't want to go over it again knowing that you missed most of it the first time... so whatever.
Feel free to leave it or not ??

OP is trying to say he's impartial, I'm saying it's the OP who thinks Jacob is unpopular because he is black - hence racist.
Yer, maybe that helps?

[JohnnyBeGood2]

randar23rhenn wrote...
 I actually really liked Jacob. In fact, I liked all the characters except Jack.

Jack is a fav... only Zaaeed, do I want to space (throw out the airlock) then maybe Jacob cos I find him a second rate Jack in combat. (she has shockwave, he has incinidary ammo)

[Heimdall]

I liked all the characters. But if I had to rank them Jacob would probably be at the bottom. Just found him nice but not particularly interesting or useful in combat.

[Beholderess]

Neuzhelin wrote...

I liked Jacob more then Tali (liked quarians in Ascension novels tho), Kasumi (the worst diaologue ever) and Grunt (lolved Wrex tho). I honestly don't understand why the hate towards Jacob is about. He is mediocore like Miranda and Jack. As you can tell, I find other characters interesting and some very intriguing (Legion, Mordin, Morinth, Garrus)

The hate might be be a subconcious thing as the OP implied, because honestly Jacob is in many ways similar to the protagonist (saving council, top alliance soldier, forced to join cerberus in ME2, broken family, heroic). I like him much more then Kaidan because despite being a biotic he does not whine about it.

Well, very few people actually hate him. Many people simply don't care one way or another. It's not the same thing.

[jkstexas2001]

Daralii wrote...

He's a decent enough person, just bland and poorly written. As someone here once said, every character should have a hook, for Jacob, it's that he's nice. That's it. While you could mention his history as a Corsair and saving the Council, we don't learn any more about those beyond that they happened.

Yes - he's just boring.  Race has nothing to do with it.  If they based him on Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction - Bad M----------, I think he'd be a lot more interesting.  Good characters generally tend to be boring - bad ones tend to be more interesting - just a generalization.  He's the Kaiden of Mass Effect 2 lol.

[bjfraley]

I judge Jacob not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character...



... I still don't like him.

[aDuck]

Agree with OP. He's not interesting because he just isnt made well. Nothing about his personality stands out too much. Heres the reasons for why the different characters stand out for me:



Samara: Cold blooded killer, but does it for a purpose. Trying to make the world a better place through her "Code", but has little feelings

Garrus: Has a reason for being on this team. Has a past with Sheperd, but has had a bad experience with leading his team. Feels compelled to undo his mistakes.

Grunt: You are part of him becoming a "man". You see that he was always a killer, but turned his recklessness into controlled agression. Also a big mean mother.

Miranda: 2nd in command. Is almost always there giving advice, almost to annoyance. Manages to take the by-the-book approach, rather then the compassionate choice.

Mordin: Who would forget mordin? The first/second man you "aquire". Is on the same deck where you start after you finish a mission, and has a great backstory, as well as some brilliant singing

Thane: Has the most interesting past (except maybe Miranda). Is a cold blooded assasin, but regards himself as a tool that other people use. Still cares about his family, and has memorable flashbacks.

Jack: Badass punk who has little to no values, except when romance is involved. Conflicting past that affects her through time.

Tali: Couldnt forget that face (pun intended). Seems like a defenceless woman who needs to be taken care of, but respectable due to her commitment to the "team", whether its Sheperd's or the quarian's

Legion: He's a robot for crying out loud. His absolute value on anything with the wisdom of a thousand minds makes for a memorable character.



Jacob has none of these traits. You don't earn him, you dont have to choose wheither he kills in his loyalty mission (at least i dont think so... havent been given an interrupt thing), and has a very boring backstory. He was part of the alliance, and now hes with cerberus. Where the skin comes in, I guess he seems like the stereotypical gangster... kinda. "Im good sheperd, ready to kick back some drinks back at the citidel or whatever". Couldnt he say hes got to do other stuff going on instead of being your buddy?



Anyway, he's just not that interesting, but he's always there trying to be the goody two shoes.



/rant

[aDuck]

STG wrote...

Nothing wrong with him, he's just a bit average. But when you're in a circus with a bunch of crazy clowns you rarely notice that average guy.

^^ This.
Dont hate him, but he just isnt interesting.  Nothing compells me to know more about him, partially because theres no secrets, but mostly because he doesnt have much of a personality.

[Vrax]

The Jacob character being unpopular for me had nothing to do with the fact that the character is Black. It has everything to do with the fact that his background, and even skill set in my opinion is just boring. Zaeed Massani, and Kasumi Goto are far more interesting than Jacob, and they both have far less dialog options than Jacob does. Bioware dropped the ball on the character, but hopefully we'll see Jacob again in Mass Effect 3, and he'll be far more interesting a second time around.

Modifié par Vrax, 11 juin 2010 - 08:38 .

[PillarBiter]

Ace of Anton wrote...

MrCry0 wrote...

MotoSkunkX wrote...

Why is this thread still alive?

Rage is one hell of an aneasthetic!

rage at what? your lack of spelling skills?

and anesthetic for what?

Excuse me for not being a native english speaker and misspelling a word. From now on I will let all my posts be checked for spelling by my english teacher.

ackass-jay.


Edit: I googled it : http://en.wikipedia....on_of_ae_and_oe

It's a correct term, so take your illiterate arse and go annoy someone else.

Modifié par MrCry0, 11 juin 2010 - 08:57 .

[armass]

Well, if we break it down to the basics gamers look for (mainly males)

1. he's not the main character
2. he's not a female, so no sex appeal (except for maybe female gamers, but how many are there really?)
3. he's not an alien so no exotic bonus
4. very limited or toned down "badassery"

Any surprise he's the last?

Modifié par armass, 11 juin 2010 - 09:02 .

[Beholderess]

armass wrote...

Well, if we break it down to the basics gamers look for (mainly males)

1. he's not the main character
2. he's not a female, so no sex appeal (except for maybe female gamers, but how many are there really?)
3. he's not an alien so no exotic bonus
4. very limited or toned down "badassery"

Any surprise he's the last?

As far as I know, there are plenty of female gamers (though being one, of course I am biased). And Jacob could be considerd appealing - if not for his horrible, cheesy and somewhat insulting romance. And the tone in which femshep is forced to talk to Jacob. So, Jacob has an additional disadvantage, instead of advantage, as far as female gamers are concerned. Exceptions, of course, exist.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Beholderess wrote...

armass wrote...

Well, if we break it down to the basics gamers look for (mainly males)
1. he's not the main character
2. he's not a female, so no sex appeal (except for maybe female gamers, but how many are there really?)
3. he's not an alien so no exotic bonus
4. very limited or toned down "badassery"

Any surprise he's the last?

As far as I know, there are plenty of female gamers (though being one, of course I am biased). And Jacob could be considerd appealing - if not for his horrible, cheesy and somewhat insulting romance. And the tone in which femshep is forced to talk to Jacob. So, Jacob has an additional disadvantage, instead of advantage, as far as female gamers are concerned. Exceptions, of course, exist.

I was weirded out by femSheps change in intonation when she started talking to Jacob.. it was pretty available.. couldn't see why.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

 because he's black... and looks as if he'd interrupt Taylor Swift? just kidding... I like taylor and kayne both. 

[Aniki_21]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...
Yeah my own issue regarding the subject are that racism is undesirable and no, I'm not particularly well disposed to it.
"flat out hostile manner" is what racism is.... anyway, yer I'm not on the same page.. if you can't read the reply... look, I admit, I don't think that's my fault.

A straight forward accusation such as calling someone a racist doesn't require contrived  Gobbledygook to explain yourself. I'm having doubts as to if you're actually serious or just decided to start trolling.

Aniki, on a couple of occassions you actually missed what was said, called it gobbledygook when you just didn't get it and then really would rather just have a spray instead of getting it right so...
I admit I don't want to go over it again knowing that you missed most of it the first time... so whatever.
Feel free to leave it or not ??

OP is trying to say he's impartial, I'm saying it's the OP who thinks Jacob is unpopular because he is black - hence racist.
Yer, maybe that helps?

So you're trying to say that the OP doesn't like black people or are you saying he thinks "other" people might have some racial issues and that's why they may not like Jacob as much as they would otherwise? You are basically admitting what you previously denied. How curious.

[Nazomi]

Beholderess wrote...

armass wrote...

Well, if we break it down to the basics gamers look for (mainly males)

1. he's not the main character
2. he's not a female, so no sex appeal (except for maybe female gamers, but how many are there really?)
3. he's not an alien so no exotic bonus
4. very limited or toned down "badassery"

Any surprise he's the last?

As far as I know, there are plenty of female gamers (though being one, of course I am biased). And Jacob could be considerd appealing - if not for his horrible, cheesy and somewhat insulting romance. And the tone in which femshep is forced to talk to Jacob. So, Jacob has an additional disadvantage, instead of advantage, as far as female gamers are concerned. Exceptions, of course, exist.

Seriously there are plenty of girl gamers. I liked Jacob and the romance didn't bother me. I guess i can see how it could bother you if you weren't set on romancing Jacob from the start like i was. I still still wish he looked how he did in galaxy (I have a thing for bald guys) but i also love muscles and he's' got everyone beat there.

[RPGmom28]

Female gamer here, and although I prefer Garrus for his sexy voice and the longstanding friendship between he and Shepard, I like Jacob a lot.

[Nazomi]

RPGmom28 wrote...

Female gamer here, and although I prefer Garrus for his sexy voice and the longstanding friendship between he and Shepard, I like Jacob a lot.

I like Garrus as a friend but romancing him is just plain gross to me. I find it pretty disturbing that a lot of people favor Garrus' romance over Jacob's. Maybe I'd better understand if he didn't look like a dinosaur .

[didiware]

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

Happy to see someone's brought this up. I do believe this is a subconscious factor. When I saw that Jacob would be on the team I was just as glad to see him as the fact that there is a significant larger amount of women in Shepard's team in ME2(although two of them wear high heels, beacuse that's very practical in a firefight). It's like that in all sorts of medias. I hope that over time this will change, I'm sick of watching a (hollywood)movie and it's always a man(white) who's the hero. It does influence how people perceive the world.
Jacob is a well rounded character, which can be said about all of the squadmates. But none of them have the depths like the ones in ME1(my personal opinion). It's an overall problem with ME2.. Why he's not popular as a LI (despite the shirtless scene ) I would say is largely due to the fact that femsheps tone is too flirty, not sincere enough. I know that bothered me a lot. So nothing wrong with Jacob there, but the attraction seemed a bit off, forced.
Can't agree with the Kanye West comparison. Is that a general opinion?

[Fiery Phoenix]

What's up with female Shepard's voice tone during the Jacob romance scene...?! Something just doesn't feel right about her voice.

[Nazomi]

didiware wrote...

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

Happy to see someone's brought this up. I do believe this is a subconscious factor. When I saw that Jacob would be on the team I was just as glad to see him as the fact that there is a significant larger amount of women in Shepard's team in ME2(although two of them wear high heels, beacuse that's very practical in a firefight). It's like that in all sorts of medias. I hope that over time this will change, I'm sick of watching a (hollywood)movie and it's always a man(white) who's the hero. It does influence how people perceive the world.
Jacob is a well rounded character, which can be said about all of the squadmates. But none of them have the depths like the ones in ME1(my personal opinion). It's an overall problem with ME2.. Why he's not popular as a LI (despite the shirtless scene ) I would say is largely due to the fact that femsheps tone is too flirty, not sincere enough. I know that bothered me a lot. So nothing wrong with Jacob there, but the attraction seemed a bit off, forced.
Can't agree with the Kanye West comparison. Is that a general opinion?

I agree with the OP as well but how can you not see that Jacob looks at least a little bit like Kanye?

[Nightwriter]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

What's up with female Shepard's voice tone during the Jacob romance scene...?! Something just doesn't feel right about her voice.

Yeah, well, that's why femShep's voice when she's talking to Jacob is a standing joke on the forums.

Most of us don't even talk to Jacob with our femSheps. I don't. I'd like to keep my dignity, thank you.