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[Nazomi]

MotoSkunkX wrote...

Nazomi wrote...
Umm seriously though i hope that guy was joking. Even if he was it wasn't funny at all. <_<

You have a terrible sense of humor.  Maybe I was joking, but now you'll never know.  That's what you get for offending my dainty sensibilities.  Scandalous.

You'll have to forgive me for not finding your "joke" funny. Maybe you'll come up with something better next time.

Modifié par Nazomi, 14 juin 2010 - 05:47 .

[Aniki_21]

The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

Modifié par Aniki_21, 15 juin 2010 - 04:07 .

[Aggie Punbot]

And we all know how Shepard feels about disingenuous assertions...

[Aniki_21]

TS2Aggie wrote...

And we all know how Shepard feels about disingenuous assertions...

Indeed we do. 

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Aniki_21 wrote...
The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

Hmm, Aniki, don't agree. A couple of people have said they were happy to see the skin color issue raised. I would concede I'm wrong that the OP himself is a racist, but I 100% do not either see or believe there's any benefit in raising it.
What good will come of it? Do we need to talk about this to make it better?
I understand that this issue may be a North American or America peculiarity (apols if you're offended, but I think they're the best words), but it would seem motivated by the feeling that: "let's get it out there so we can all feel better about it".
Sure, you're making yourselves feel better about it, but that has nothing to do with where you'll end up after expressing your inate feelings.
Or, more importantly where that either puts the issue, or how the issue is perceived... no good usually comes from it.. and I dare say: keep your opinions in this regard to yourself and deal with it and get over it...
My criticism of the OP is that raising the issue, whether he himself shares the view or not serves no useful purpose. Objectification in this situation will not help and is probably shared only by a minority with some vengeance issues?

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 15 juin 2010 - 05:02 .

[Nazomi]

Aniki_21 wrote...

The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

[JKoopman]

Clearly, because racism in all forms exists on the interwebz, that means that a dull black character in a videogame is unliked (not hated, just not cared about) because he's black and not because he's dull. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation than a nefarious anti-black conspiracy. Thank you for enlightening us to the hidden racist that dwells inside all white men.

[Nazomi]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

Well I am American. I'm guessing you're from a country that isn't nearly as racialy diverse. I guess that would explain your lack of understanding regarding this particular issue.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...
The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

Well I am American. I'm guessing you're from a country that isn't nearly as racialy diverse. I guess that would explain your lack of understanding regarding this particular issue.

I'm sure you do hope that that explains it. I'm from Australia and no, lack of racial diversity doesn't explain it. My opinion is that no good comes from raising it (because it is racism)... and I think honestly it is you who can't understand that.

[Nazomi]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...
The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

Well I am American. I'm guessing you're from a country that isn't nearly as racialy diverse. I guess that would explain your lack of understanding regarding this particular issue.

I'm sure you do hope that that explains it. I'm from Australia and no, lack of racial diversity doesn't explain it. My opinion is that no good comes from raising it (because it is racism)... and I think honestly it is you who can't understand that.

So raising the issue of race is racism? You're right I certainly don't understand that logic. 

[Aggie Punbot]

Well, claiming that race is the only reason all people hate a character when said people have already expressed time and time again that the dislike was due to other reasons is actually displaying a bit of a persecution syndrome.

It almost looks like the original poster expects everyone to automatically enjoy and revere any and all black characters solely because they are black and damn any and all other reasons people may have to legitimately dislike them. Dunno if you'd call that racism but it is skirting awfully close to it.

In fact, isn't Kaidan non-caucasian as well? I don't see anyone playing the race card to the people that dislike him. Why do you suppose that is?

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 15 juin 2010 - 11:16 .

[Habelo]

Being a rationall person you can say that i am a big racist. I believe that there is major differences between the races in humanity, i also hate hip hop. Meaning, i hate eminem as well as kanye.



But i did think that jacob did give the ship alill more diversity, so i would rather have him there then not. (in terms of personality not of race)

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...
The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

Well I am American. I'm guessing you're from a country that isn't nearly as racialy diverse. I guess that would explain your lack of understanding regarding this particular issue.

I'm sure you do hope that that explains it. I'm from Australia and no, lack of racial diversity doesn't explain it. My opinion is that no good comes from raising it (because it is racism)... and I think honestly it is you who can't understand that.

So raising the issue of race is racism? You're right I certainly don't understand that logic. 

You're right, raising the issue is not... giving wind to the sentiment inevitably is.

[LiquidGrape]

Habelo wrote...

Being a rationall person you can say that i am a big racist. I believe that there is major differences between the races in humanity, i also hate hip hop. Meaning, i hate eminem as well as kanye.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of racism.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

At any rate, there aren't actually any human races; we're all part of the subspecies ****** sapiens sapiens.

And there's good hip hop.
Heard De La Soul?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 15 juin 2010 - 12:01 .

[Beholderess]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Well, claiming that race is the only reason all people hate a character when said people have already expressed time and time again that the dislike was due to other reasons is actually displaying a bit of a persecution syndrome.

It almost looks like the original poster expects everyone to automatically enjoy and revere any and all black characters solely because they are black and damn any and all other reasons people may have to legitimately dislike them. Dunno if you'd call that racism but it is skirting awfully close to it.

This.
Funny that it haven't yet been replied to by those who believe in Jacob-Is-Hated-Because-He's-Black theory.

[Beholderess]

Aniki_21 wrote...

The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

The fact that skin colour does influence people's perseptions does not mean that it influences each and every one, all the time. Why do you insist that it's impossible to dislike a black character for any other reason but being black is beyound me. What reasons for disliking a black character are acceptable to you, I wonder? Are there any?

[Aniki_21]

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...
The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

Well I am American. I'm guessing you're from a country that isn't nearly as racialy diverse. I guess that would explain your lack of understanding regarding this particular issue.

I'm sure you do hope that that explains it. I'm from Australia and no, lack of racial diversity doesn't explain it. My opinion is that no good comes from raising it (because it is racism)... and I think honestly it is you who can't understand that.

So raising the issue of race is racism? You're right I certainly don't understand that logic. 

Don't sweat it Nazomi. I've given up trying to make comprehend this guy's twisted logic. I have nagging suspicion that he's just trolling for attention. 

[Aniki_21]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Well, claiming that race is the only reason all people hate a character when said people have already expressed time and time again that the dislike was due to other reasons is actually displaying a bit of a persecution syndrome.

It almost looks like the original poster expects everyone to automatically enjoy and revere any and all black characters solely because they are black and damn any and all other reasons people may have to legitimately dislike them. Dunno if you'd call that racism but it is skirting awfully close to it.

In fact, isn't Kaidan non-caucasian as well? I don't see anyone playing the race card to the people that dislike him. Why do you suppose that is?

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. Who said anything about race being the "only" reason why people dislike Jacob? I also don't recall the OP suggesting that everyone should "revere" all black characters for being black. Also there's not need to pull out the "race card" card. The OP  isn't even black so  as he/she said before in case you somehow got it in your head that the OP is some "down with whitey" black militant or something.

[RetroActiv]

Aniki_21 wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

Well, claiming that race is the only reason all people hate a character when said people have already expressed time and time again that the dislike was due to other reasons is actually displaying a bit of a persecution syndrome.

It almost looks like the original poster expects everyone to automatically enjoy and revere any and all black characters solely because they are black and damn any and all other reasons people may have to legitimately dislike them. Dunno if you'd call that racism but it is skirting awfully close to it.

In fact, isn't Kaidan non-caucasian as well? I don't see anyone playing the race card to the people that dislike him. Why do you suppose that is?

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. Who said anything about race being the "only" reason why people dislike Jacob? I also don't recall the OP suggesting that everyone should "revere" all black characters for being black. Also there's not need to pull out the "race card" card. The OP  isn't even black so  as he/she said before in case you somehow got it in your head that the OP is some "down with whitey" black militant or something.

LOL!  Well this whitey here actually mostly agrees with the OP for the most part. The OP isn't at all saying that anybody is a "horrible racist" for not liking Jacob but more of a factor of just not being able to relate to him as well. I don't know a lot of black people in real life so it is more difficult for me to relate. Certainly not my favor character but I do appriciate that he doesn't spout jive talk constantly at least like some black characters in other games.

[NamiraWilhelm]

The reason i dislike him is because he comes across as 'smarmy' if that makes sense, have met way too many jacobs in clubs who think they're the be all and end all with women. Bleugh

Plus, he pretty plain compared to a geth ally, singing salarian, perfectly designed biotic woman, asari who provides death by snoo snoo, giant obedient krogan with cute name, mental tattood lady....

Not memorable... liked his loyalty mission doh

[Cloaking_Thane]

Aniki_21 wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

Well, claiming that race is the only reason all people hate a character when said people have already expressed time and time again that the dislike was due to other reasons is actually displaying a bit of a persecution syndrome.

It almost looks like the original poster expects everyone to automatically enjoy and revere any and all black characters solely because they are black and damn any and all other reasons people may have to legitimately dislike them. Dunno if you'd call that racism but it is skirting awfully close to it.

In fact, isn't Kaidan non-caucasian as well? I don't see anyone playing the race card to the people that dislike him. Why do you suppose that is?

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. Who said anything about race being the "only" reason why people dislike Jacob? I also don't recall the OP suggesting that everyone should "revere" all black characters for being black. Also there's not need to pull out the "race card" card. The OP  isn't even black so  as he/she said before in case you somehow got it in your head that the OP is some "down with whitey" black militant or something.

OP is trying to sort out his/her own feelings and projected thoughts onto others as factual when in fact Racism is an inherently inner mindset which can be perpetuated by group mentality/ settings.

OP basically said "everyone is subconsciously racist"

That is saying everyone is racist. No problem defending that ridiculous proposition IMO.......of course OP is backed up by "research". If only he/she knew the world of academia... but alas, another time perhaps.

Sure OP tries to play it off and say....no no not really this, but more this, but did as good a job as putting lipstick on a pig

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 15 juin 2010 - 07:13 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

I just realised Jacob is memorable, hes like the only real black man ive seen in that game. I know most people are mixed race in that world, but you see plenty of white people. Go figure

[JKoopman]

Aniki_21 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...
The fact is that I see enough blatant racism against black people displayed by people on the internet where you can get away with it, e.g. youtube. (you know you’ve seen plenty of it too) to know that pretending as if the OP suggesting that race may play a factor in Jacob’s lack of popularity is somehow completely outlandish and inconceivable. It’s naïve at best and disingenuous at worst.

I agree completely. Glad not everyone is content with burrying their heads in the sand denying things that are quite obvious.

Dare I say: obvious to an American?

Well I am American. I'm guessing you're from a country that isn't nearly as racialy diverse. I guess that would explain your lack of understanding regarding this particular issue.

I'm sure you do hope that that explains it. I'm from Australia and no, lack of racial diversity doesn't explain it. My opinion is that no good comes from raising it (because it is racism)... and I think honestly it is you who can't understand that.

So raising the issue of race is racism? You're right I certainly don't understand that logic. 

Don't sweat it Nazomi. I've given up trying to make comprehend this guy's twisted logic. I have nagging suspicion that he's just trolling for attention. 

I think the point he was trying to raise was that immediately jumping to the conclussion that, if someone doesn't like a person who's black then it inherently must be because he's black, ignorant of any other factors, is in and of itself a form of racial discrimination; just as the phrase "All white people are inherently racist against blacks" is itself a racist statement regarding white people.

For example, let's say that "Jamal", a black man, applies for a job. He's turned down. He immediately jumps to the conclussion that the reason he was rejected was because of his skin color and accuses the employer of racism (and I see this a million times a day in my line of work), ignorant of the fact that his rejection actually had to do with the fact that he arrived for his interview wearing a baggy sports tee and backwards cap with his pants down around his knees, swaggered around like a thug and asked the receptionist for her "digits" on his way out.

There seems to be an attitude that's prevalent in America that says anything negative which happens to a black person must be because he's black and for no other possible reason, which this thread reflects. That attitude is itself racist, because it only looks skin deep. Jacob is unpopular because he was made DULL and is far the most normal squadmate in a game filled with unique and abnormal characters. NOT because he's black.

Modifié par JKoopman, 15 juin 2010 - 07:51 .

[Aniki_21]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

Well, claiming that race is the only reason all people hate a character when said people have already expressed time and time again that the dislike was due to other reasons is actually displaying a bit of a persecution syndrome.

It almost looks like the original poster expects everyone to automatically enjoy and revere any and all black characters solely because they are black and damn any and all other reasons people may have to legitimately dislike them. Dunno if you'd call that racism but it is skirting awfully close to it.

In fact, isn't Kaidan non-caucasian as well? I don't see anyone playing the race card to the people that dislike him. Why do you suppose that is?

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. Who said anything about race being the "only" reason why people dislike Jacob? I also don't recall the OP suggesting that everyone should "revere" all black characters for being black. Also there's not need to pull out the "race card" card. The OP  isn't even black so  as he/she said before in case you somehow got it in your head that the OP is some "down with whitey" black militant or something.

OP is trying to sort out his/her own feelings and projected thoughts onto others as factual when in fact Racism is an inherently inner mindset which can be perpetuated by group mentality/ settings.

OP basically said "everyone is subconsciously racist"

That is saying everyone is racist. No problem defending that ridiculous proposition IMO.......of course OP is backed up by "research". If only he/she knew the world of academia... but alas, another time perhaps.

Sure OP tries to play it off and say....no no not really this, but more this, but did as good a job as putting lipstick on a pig

I missed the part where the OP said "everyone is subconciouslly racist". You'll have to point that out to me.