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[Gill Kaiser]

Elephant? There's no elephant here. People don't care about Jacob because he's nice but boring, and his combat abilities aren't great. End of story.

[LostInSanity]

If anyone is guilty for hating him cuz he's black, look to the writers for making him the least interesting member of the squad, because you know, he's black.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Elephant? There's no elephant here. People don't care about Jacob because he's nice but boring, and his combat abilities aren't great. End of story.

Haven´t you heard? We are all racist! Shame on us.

[Katya Nadanova]

I don't like Jacob because he is dull. I prefer Kaiden to Jacob. Kaiden on occasion, made me laugh; Jacob spends his time on the Normandy, alone in his room. Jacob is just so forgettable as a character. It has nothing to do with race, its all about personality and how interesting a character is. Jacob is not at all interesting.

[Pinkflamingo22]

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

ok so first of all you're wrong. In trying to prove why Jacobs lack of popularity is because he's black you instead killed that argument by providing the real reason. Which is now bold in the quote. The reason being there is nothing increadibly intresting about Jacob.

NOT THAT HES BLACK you stupid ****. I would not be surprised if the details arose that you lived in the south (of the United States) and by south I mean the dumb ass redneck south. We all know what parts of the country qualify.

By the way biologically race doesn't exsist. Jacob is simply a mundane character.

[cynicalsaint1]

Its because Jacob is the straight man. No not in the hetero/****** way. I mean he's the down to earth, sensible, 'normal' guy on the team, to balance out the other stronger personalities. It means he comes across as less interesting as some of the others, but every team needs a good straigh man, and Jacob fills the roll nicely.

Modifié par cynicalsaint1, 12 avril 2010 - 08:00 .

[Gill Kaiser]

The very fact that he came to these conclusions and brought race into the discussion shows that he makes a big deal about race, or at least a bigger deal than most of the people who've posted in this thread. Also, the TC should remember that racism against black people is much less of an issue outside the US, and the internet and Mass Effect 2 fanbase is worldwide.

[MidnightSG]

Okay, let’s talk about this elephant in the room

Bioware does a good job understanding their targeted audience. They use this to their advantage while creating romanceable characters for their game. This is sort of a walk in the park for men, seeing as regardless of what lifestyle you live, or nationality you are, a sexy big breasted confident woman who kicks ass tends to keep most (not all) men satisfied.  They took it a step further by adding the exact opposite of the sexy Miranda by adding Jack, a small breasted emotional train wreck “goth” girl who enjoys killing. They are left missing one other major stereotype, the quiet, shy, librarian/school teacher. Enter Tali. Shy, young, geeky, and great with computers. There, whatever is left can fill in small holes, slip in a tom boy and bi sexual blue chick and you have an amazing line up of romances to satisfy 99% of the men playing this game.

Women were also given this same attitude. There is nothing wrong with this; however some could (could) say it was un-necessary. 

You have the Typical “BioWare romance” that many women who play their games are used to. Kaidan (aka: Sky aka: Carth aka: Alistair ect) You are introduced to him in the beginning of the game and are slowly spoon fed romance throughout the plot. (I always see romancing them as romancing the man my mother and father arranged me to marry. Sometimes it can be a good thing like Alistair; more often than not it is just kind of boring.)
/on
BioWare does such a good job targeting players they even added a romance for the 35 girls who would rather romance a blue female/twi lek rip-off that is NOT GAY AT ALL AND STOP IT NO GAY ROMANCE IN MASS EFFECT just girl on girl look alike.  /off
Thane is easy, as Kelly stated, all women love cool bad boys, especially when they open up and let you see their gooey creamy vulnerable center.
Garrus (as much as I love him) is also easily predictable. X-files comes to mind all the time when I think of their relationship. Co-workers first, then they slowly becomes reliable acquaintances than after all is said and done commence the long awaited awkward behind the scenes romance the audience forced you to make.  (and you better!!!)

So anywho that is a good lineup for the targeted female audience who plays Bioware games. Your hero (Kaidan) The bad boy (Thane) the best friend (Garrus) plus (Liara) for the men playing as a female, Jacob was just sort of thrown in unexpectedly.

Jacob is not a terrible character; he just sort of fills a hole that was already filled, creating a small random hill that people avoid.  Yeah I can go on about how your character looks a little foolish throwing herself at him but meh. Women do enjoy strong hyper sexualized men just as much as men enjoy over the top women; however the thing that Bioware missed out on was the emotion for women. They treated Jacob as a male romance “Hey, you are hot, wanna do it?” it may sometimes work in the real world, but more often than not the girls playing biowares games want depth, emotion, and story.






Holy cow this got long, uhhhh, TL;DR:
“I am not a prize to be won.” - Princess Jasmine

[Thomas9321]

Jacob is unpopular because he is dull. There really isn't any more to it.

[Skilled Seeker]

How dare you people hate on Jacob! You are taking a heavy risk...

[Cra5y Pineapple]

He's boring as hell in my opinion. Never saw any point in his exsistance. Boring backround, and...come on. If you're gonna have a Black Guy in a Xbox/PC exclusive at least give him a cigar and a green cap and make him say epic one liners.



Maybe it's my bias against most human characters. Oh the irony.

[Indoctrination]

I like Jacob. Sure, he's a little bland, but so is most of the other party members. I didn't find him more bland than Miranda or Zaeed. I think Jacob makes a good side-kick. I didn't realize there were so many people who singled him out as the worst.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

How dare you people hate on Jacob! You are taking a heavy risk...

Sounds like a suicide mission.

I volunteer.

[Nazomi]

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

ok so first of all you're wrong. In trying to prove why Jacobs lack of popularity is because he's black you instead killed that argument by providing the real reason. Which is now bold in the quote. The reason being there is nothing increadibly intresting about Jacob.

NOT THAT HES BLACK you stupid ****. I would not be surprised if the details arose that you lived in the south (of the United States) and by south I mean the dumb ass redneck south. We all know what parts of the country qualify.

By the way biologically race doesn't exsist. Jacob is simply a mundane character.

Whoa! I think someone needs to relax a bit. First off all some of you seem to be ignoring how the OP made it clear he/she wasn't saying that people hate Jacob because he was black. You're ignoring what was actually said and just resorting to juvilie flaming rebuking your own interpretation of what you apparently thought the OP really meant.

[Rocket Weazle]

Miranda needs a better developed character than me

[NYG1991]

the thing i didn't like about jacob is in galaxy he used an assault rifle the WHOLE mission, the ME2 comes along and he's gimped with pistols and shotguns.

give jacob a revenant or some better biotics or tech(which he also forgot from galaxy) for ME3 and there will definitely be room for him in ME3.

p.s. i was also a little mad that he didn't teach my shep how to dance

Modifié par NYG1991, 12 avril 2010 - 10:41 .

[srzyski89]

Nazomi wrote...

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

ok so first of all you're wrong. In trying to prove why Jacobs lack of popularity is because he's black you instead killed that argument by providing the real reason. Which is now bold in the quote. The reason being there is nothing increadibly intresting about Jacob.

NOT THAT HES BLACK you stupid ****. I would not be surprised if the details arose that you lived in the south (of the United States) and by south I mean the dumb ass redneck south. We all know what parts of the country qualify.

By the way biologically race doesn't exsist. Jacob is simply a mundane character.

Whoa! I think someone needs to relax a bit. First off all some of you seem to be ignoring how the OP made it clear he/she wasn't saying that people hate Jacob because he was black. You're ignoring what was actually said and just resorting to juvilie flaming rebuking your own interpretation of what you apparently thought the OP really meant.

What OP did you read?

[Strike]

Honestly? Really?

I was excited to see a black man in a video game, never liked the dominance of white heroes in most VGs. But what dissapointed me was his overall lack of interesting character. BioWare missed a great opportunity to create an interesting non-stereotypical character but ended up with one of the most boring characters they've ever made.

Also, as a Kaiden fan, I do believe that Kaiden's backstory is much more compelling than Jacob's. Not because Kaiden is Singapore/Japanese but to me, it truly is.

Sorry, that argument is void.

[spacehamsterZH]

You know, I'll say this - I've been playing a Sentinel lately, and the double whammy of Jacob's Pull and my Throw is pretty damn cool.

[Nazomi]

srzyski89 wrote...

Nazomi wrote...

Pinkflamingo22 wrote...

Madi wrote...

The big elephant in the room here that no one wants to talk about is the fact that Jacob is black. Now before you start getting ultra defensive and start accusing me of reverse racism I’d like to point out that I’m biracial and have no racial biases of any kind.  Secondly I’m not saying the reason that Jacob  is such a  massively unpopular is because the people who don’t like Jacob are inherently racist. However that doesn’t mean that the fact that Jacob is black isn’t a factor. In fact I would say it’s a significant factor.

I think it’s probably largely subconscious. Jacob is a relatively basic character with nothing incredibly interesting about him although still a much more solid, well rounded character than you’ll find in most games. The issue is I think that most white gamers just find it difficult to relate to black characters. I think that’s one of the main reasons why black characters are so rare in video games and actual black protagonists are nearly nonexistent in video games.Especially non- stereotypical characters (i.e. C.J. from GTA)  Can you honestly tell me that if Jacob was a suave white guy he’d be this unpopular? Just look at Kaden who Jacob is commonly compared to.  Most people seem to agree that he isn’t much more if at all more interesting a character than Jacob yet he’s still infinitely more popular than Jacob. Once again that doesn’t mean that you’re a racist but I just think it clearly shows that race plays a factor in a lot of things, whether subconscious or otherwise. Although I think the fact that he bears a strong resemblance to Kanye West didn’t really help either. I don’t really get why his look was changed so dramatically from Mass Effect Galaxy. It’s like he’s a completely different person.

http://masseffect.bi.../market/galaxy/

ok so first of all you're wrong. In trying to prove why Jacobs lack of popularity is because he's black you instead killed that argument by providing the real reason. Which is now bold in the quote. The reason being there is nothing increadibly intresting about Jacob.

NOT THAT HES BLACK you stupid ****. I would not be surprised if the details arose that you lived in the south (of the United States) and by south I mean the dumb ass redneck south. We all know what parts of the country qualify.

By the way biologically race doesn't exsist. Jacob is simply a mundane character.

Whoa! I think someone needs to relax a bit. First off all some of you seem to be ignoring how the OP made it clear he/she wasn't saying that people hate Jacob because he was black. You're ignoring what was actually said and just resorting to juvilie flaming rebuking your own interpretation of what you apparently thought the OP really meant.

What OP did you read?

The OP acknologes that "part" of the reason why he is so unpoppular is because he isn't as interesting as some of the other characters. The OP also points out that the issue could be that a lot of white people  just can't relate to him as a character the same way they could if he was a handsome white guy. The OP isn't at all saying that you are all racist for not liking Jacob and hate black people.  Some of of you really need to get off your high horses. Seriously

[david46]

Jacob could be green with orange polka dots and he still would be the most annoying Bioware character of all time. I would not like any character that are a royal pain in the buttockal area like Jacob. Characters that think they have more status than they really do, annoy me. He is just a flunky that cleans the guns, not the executive officer he believes he is.



I am annoyed with Bioware for including a black character without creating one from my ethnic group, Native American. I object to him on those grounds. I demand that the designers include a character from every racial group in ME3 to achieve balance. No one left behind in ME3!

[kraidy1117]