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[Sajuro]

Actually I hated Kaiden and liked Jacob better, but it is still good to make fun of him

[Masticetobbacco]

Jacob was a really rushed character and thrown in to fill the black quota the last game lacked

[kraidy1117]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

Jacob was a really rushed character and thrown in to fill the black quota the last game lacked

He was cool in Galaxy.................

[Ray Joel Oh]

Ambivalence towards a boring character I can understand. The hatred directed towards him is just...



weird.

[Xaijin]

it's cause he's black and will use his giant teeth to eat your face.

"Fear is the mind killer."

and also:

Modifié par Xaijin, 13 avril 2010 - 05:59 .

[Nightwriter]

Nazomi wrote...

The OP acknologes that "part" of the reason why he is so unpoppular is because he isn't as interesting as some of the other characters. The OP also points out that the issue could be that a lot of white people  just can't relate to him as a character the same way they could if he was a handsome white guy. The OP isn't at all saying that you are all racist for not liking Jacob and hate black people.  Some of of you really need to get off your high horses. Seriously

What are you talking about.






Anyway, it doesn't matter! His being black has absolutely nothing at all to do with my ability to relate to him. I've related to all kinds of black characters and all kinds of black people. I like to think skin color has absolutely nothing to do with it and we're all just human beings.

Jacob is just boring. 

[Xaijin]

TEETH.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Ambivalence towards a boring character I can understand. The hatred directed towards him is just...

weird.

I'll never understand this either.  I could see indifference, people thinking he's boring, or him placing last in popularity, but the hate Jacob gets makes me confused.   All this anger for a character that states his opinion and doesn't want to cry on Shepard's shoulder for some personal tragedies?  "Hey my dad who I thought was dead for 10 years turns up alive only to be murderer and rapist. Why wouldn't I want to share that someone I barely know?  Why wouldn't I want to share my deepest innermost feelings on that?"  <_
Ah well I shouldn't take it to heart, it is it what is.  It's probably like my boy Legion said "You're programmed to fear us."

[Homey C-Dawg]

It's certainly not because he's black. It's because he's boooooring. The priiiiize seems to be the high point of his character right now.

[Nightwriter]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Ambivalence towards a boring character I can understand. The hatred directed towards him is just...

weird.

I'll never understand this either.  I could see indifference, people thinking he's boring, or him placing last in popularity, but the hate Jacob gets makes me confused.   All this anger for a character that states his opinion and doesn't want to cry on Shepard's shoulder for some personal tragedies?  "Hey my dad who I thought was dead for 10 years turns up alive only to be murderer and rapist. Why wouldn't I want to share that someone I barely know?  Why wouldn't I want to share my deepest innermost feelings on that?"  <_
Ah well I shouldn't take it to heart, it is it what is.  It's probably like my boy Legion said "You're programmed to fear us."

I don't hate him at all, but I did find him quite irritating at times.

Not for speaking his mind. Oh no. I'm always all for that. Adds story and character depth.

It was for the way he was simply very, very hard to make friends with as a human being. It wasn't that he "didn't whine" (why people have this preoccupation for accusing characters of whining I'll never understand), it was that he really didn't let you get very friendly or close to him at all. 

He was very tightlipped and standoffish and a bit frigid. That was the only dislikable thing about him for me.

[Tareos]

My first impression with Jacob was that he was pretty cool. Tad uptight, but alright. When I found out who Archangel was, I pretty much left the poor guy in the dust. Poor Jacob, overshadowed by the awesomeness that is called Garrus.



And then the romance thing was so cringe-worthy that it hurts (and then becomes an absolute riot). Maybe I'm just not that kind of a woman who are into short love flings.

[kraidy1117]

Tareos wrote...

My first impression with Jacob was that he was pretty cool. Tad uptight, but alright. When I found out who Archangel was, I pretty much left the poor guy in the dust. Poor Jacob, overshadowed by the awesomeness that is called Garrus.

And then the romance thing was so cringe-worthy that it hurts (and then becomes an absolute riot). Maybe I'm just not that kind of a woman who are into short love flings.

But the priiiiiiiiiiiiize.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Now why did I see that coming? XD

[Collider]

why people have this preoccupation for accusing characters of whining I'll never understand

I suspect the idea that Kaidan and Jacob are whiners may be due in part to male rivalry.



About another post, Jacob did not have to cry, whine, or even be sad about his father in order for him to talk about it. He could basically just say the he thought the whole thing was despicable, and then maybe relate the whole thing to another experience he had as a corsair, maybe he saw something of similar cruelty. He can comment on for how beautiful the planet they landed on, what they encountered in terms of people was pretty ugly. On that same current, he can recount an experience going to different planets, each with their environment and people. I tend to think that a character recounting experience and history, friends, family, as well as their thoughts on it, fleshes them out and makes them more believable and many cases makes you more attached.

[Lucky Thirteen]

For me he seemed like the stereotypical, token black guy, supporting character. He just had very little uniqueness to him to stand up with everyone else in the batch.



I had high hopes for him because he is technically in the position of leading man besides maleShep himself. I was hoping Jacob would be a really awesome heroic type character.



I dunno, I just really feel let down when it comes to Jacob. There's nothing really to hate about him, but there's nothing to really like either. Besides his abs anyways.



Maybe he'll pull off something awesome in ME3?

[kraidy1117]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

For me he seemed like the stereotypical, token black guy, supporting character. He just had very little uniqueness to him to stand up with everyone else in the batch.

I had high hopes for him because he is technically in the position of leading man besides maleShep himself. I was hoping Jacob would be a really awesome heroic type character.

I dunno, I just really feel let down when it comes to Jacob. There's nothing really to hate about him, but there's nothing to really like either. Besides his abs anyways.

Maybe he'll pull off something awesome in ME3?

Heavy risk.

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

why people have this preoccupation for accusing characters of whining I'll never understand

I suspect the idea that Kaidan and Jacob are whiners may be due in part to male rivalry.

About another post, Jacob did not have to cry, whine, or even be sad about his father in order for him to talk about it. He could basically just say the he thought the whole thing was despicable, and then maybe relate the whole thing to another experience he had as a corsair, maybe he saw something of similar cruelty. He can comment on for how beautiful the planet they landed on, what they encountered in terms of people was pretty ugly. On that same current, he can recount an experience going to different planets, each with their environment and people. I tend to think that a character recounting experience and history, friends, family, as well as their thoughts on it, fleshes them out and makes them more believable and many cases makes you more attached.

Wow. Actually, this would've been amazing and I wish they'd done it. It wouldn't have been "whining" at all and it would've achieved the same affect of you feeling like you were getting to know his character.

And what do you mean about male rivalry? What does that have to do with anything?

I just don't get how people can go up to these characters and ASK them about their lives and then call it whining when the characters answer their questions!

If you don't want to hear anything, don't pry like a nosy nose.

[Collider]

would've achieved the same affect of you feeling like you were getting to know his character.

When you flow the conversation like that, it's very possible. It feels realistic for me for the topic to jump around, this is typically what happens when you start to get to know people and warm up to them. It feels natural and rewarding, you could look back at the end of the conversation and think, wow, we went from your father to covertly bringing down an insurgency in a rainforest teeming with strange creatures in a colony in a notorious star system on the edge of the galaxy? Extreme, but it's an example, it can be really warming to reflect upon how much one gets along with another that they change topics like that so fluidly and unknowingly.

And what do you mean about male rivalry? What does that have to do with anything?

Most players are male. And Kaidan and Jacob are both human and the male leads. Humans are typically competitive and aggressive at times, more so with males. The fact that I don't believe they are actually whining is why I suspect the irrationality of needless rivalry - or emotion, to play a factor. Apparently sharing your past is likened to whining.

[Marta Rio]

Nightwriter wrote...
And what do you mean about male rivalry? What does that have to do with anything?

I just don't get how people can go up to these characters and ASK them about their lives and then call it whining when the characters answer their questions!

If you don't want to hear anything, don't pry like a nosy nose.

Kaiden does a lot of whining that has nothing to do with you asking him questions.  Taking him out on missions results in a lot of complaining commentary about the heat, the cold, whatever.  And if you're playing as a renegade, he likes to whine about your decisions (killing the rachni, for example). 

[Lucky Thirteen]

Collider wrote...

Most players are male.
And Kaidan and Jacob are both human and the male leads. Humans are
typically competitive and aggressive at times, more so with males. The
fact that I don't believe they are actually whining is why I suspect the
irrationality of needless rivalry - or emotion, to play a factor.
Apparently sharing your past is likened to whining.

So why wouldn't that apply to Thane or Garrus?

Different species?

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 13 avril 2010 - 07:10 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Put me in the 'don't hate him, but I kind of resent him for being boring and having a bad romance' camp. Waste of potential annoys me.



It does seem like his only character 'hook' is that he's black. It's like they made a guy, gave him a name, then completely forgot about him until the end and went 'oh **** uhhh make him a minority'. Which, he was around for Galaxy, so that couldn't really have been the case.



Now that I think about it, maybe the fact that he's an ex-main character is why he's so bland? Bioware's been really big on covering all possible choices in the canon, if Jacob had a more extreme personality it might contradict something in Galaxy.

[Collider]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Collider wrote...

Most players are male.
And Kaidan and Jacob are both human and the male leads. Humans are
typically competitive and aggressive at times, more so with males. The
fact that I don't believe they are actually whining is why I suspect the
irrationality of needless rivalry - or emotion, to play a factor.
Apparently sharing your past is likened to whining.

So why wouldn't that apply to Thane or Garrus?

Different species?

yes. We don't have societies with other animals, we only have societies with other humans. And much of human history, there has been war and aggression, hate and segregation. Even though we often erroneously treat other animals like trash, we've never had anything like the hatred we've had for members of our own species. We are much like other animals, we have alphas in our society and often the position for alpha is contested.

[Chuvvy]