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[AntiChri5]

 

[AntiChri5]

Is it just me or is cryo blast pretty much useless?

The only thing it does is crowd controll and even then it is inferior to nueral shock which is priceless for cc. I get fairly good cc from

my drone and overload provides crowd controll against synthetics as well as damaging them and providing sheild stripping with incinerate doing the same for armour and organics....so is there a use for cryo blast? Have I just been wearing my fail hat (apart from my blunder at the top)

[Dresden13]

It's a fun thing to use, but it isn't really worth spending points in. I used to use to freeze someone, then biotic slam them into the floor so they shatter. But thats just eye candy, it's a pretty slow way to kill someone.

[Heart Collector]

I use a 1-point dominate on my insanity engineer so I don't have space for neural shock. I like cryo blast anyway even with only 1 point, it's got a very short cooldown and snap-freezing and shattering enemies never gets old. Depends on the playstyle I guess...

Modifié par Heart Collector, 12 avril 2010 - 12:32 .

[HeyBlade789]

Juts put one point on it, its basic use is to stop chargin enemies AKA krogan, basically anything that gets close

[cruc1al]

It instakills husks, which no other engineer ability does. Plus, neural shock is a bonus ability. So without Neural shock, and apart from Incinerate which has a longer cooldown, Cryo is your only CC ability that can hit multiple opponents at once.



Although, I'd recommend taking cryo only for Mordin, since Full Cryo Blast on him has 4.5 second cooldown, equal to Shepard's.

[Heart Collector]

cruc1al wrote...
Although, I'd recommend taking cryo only for Mordin, since Full Cryo Blast on him has 4.5 second cooldown, equal to Shepard's.

Ours is still shorter though, right? After all, we always maximize our class passive which gives CD reduction... I think the cooldown is up within 3 seconds for my Engineer. And I would only max it out on husk, collector and maybe blood pack missions where overload isn't that useful...

[cruc1al]

Heart Collector wrote...

cruc1al wrote...
Although, I'd recommend taking cryo only for Mordin, since Full Cryo Blast on him has 4.5 second cooldown, equal to Shepard's.

Ours is still shorter though, right? After all, we always maximize our class passive which gives CD reduction... I think the cooldown is up within 3 seconds for my Engineer. And I would only max it out on husk, collector and maybe blood pack missions where overload isn't that useful...

Well yes, equal base cooldown. The point is that Mordin's cryo is a much more potent cc ability than mordin's incinerate or neural shock.

[AntiChri5]

I am on insanity so all the charging enemies have armour, which i use incinerate to deal with. The only time i have had problems with CC was Grunts loyalty (damn Varren) and even then i was having more luck just using incinerate than cryo because cryo only delayed the inevitable. Although Cryo was good for those damn Klixen (fire bug things)

[lazorexplosion]

It's good for CCing those pesky organics that aren't panicked by incinerate and often ignore drones (mainly krogan and varren). They can definitely be a big threat, so it can really save you sometimes.

Modifié par lazorexplosion, 12 avril 2010 - 01:40 .

[AntiChri5]

I have been having a ridiculous amount of run playing with Krogan.



1. Summon drone.



2. Krogan notices drone.



3. Krogan charges drone.



4. Drone explodes.



5. Drone is ready to be resummoned by now.



6. Try not to ****** my self laughing.

[valleyman88]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I have been having a ridiculous amount of run playing with Krogan.

1. Summon drone.

2. Krogan notices drone.

3. Krogan charges drone.

4. Drone explodes.

5. Drone is ready to be resummoned by now.

6. Try not to ****** my self laughing.

It's the bullfighting of the future.

[Heart Collector]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I have been having a ridiculous amount of run playing with Krogan.

1. Summon drone.

2. Krogan notices drone.

3. Krogan charges drone.

4. Drone explodes.

5. Drone is ready to be resummoned by now.

6. Try not to ****** my self laughing.

To quote Hudson Hawk: "Bunny! Ball-ball!"

[TheBestClass]

Doesn't Flashbang render Cryo Blast pretty useless?

[Darqion]

no they work pretty different .. so ..

[amcnow]

Cryo-eveerything is pretty useless, more so on harder difficulties.

[birdland 1115]

Cryo+Throw makes for a nice Sentinel combo.

[OniGanon]

I'd be more inclined to say that Neural Shock is useless on any class that already has Cryo Blast. Why use a bonus power to do what a base power can do?



And cryo effect is far from useless. It's both CC and a major damage boost vs health.

[Gravbh]

birdland 1115 wrote...

Cryo+Throw makes for a nice Sentinel combo.

Shattering frozen people by throwing them into walls is arguably more satisfying than the pull->throw combo imo.

Cryo blast is an engineer's fastest way to deal with stronger enemies like krogan. Once you get by their defenses you can freeze them and gun them down. A tempest at point blank kills a frozen krogan very quickly. All it takes is 1 point. If you really need the aoe cryo blast just use Mordin. His aoe version has the same 4.5 second cooldown as shepards. Your incineration blast has a much shorter cooldown than his though. Shep's aoe incinerate followed by Mordin's aoe cryo blast is practically spammable and makes the reaper IFF mission a joke.

Cryo ammo is godly when you use the squad version, but that's a different discussion.

[Akai San Kaku Tou]

Laughing out loud; this may very well be the 20th thread telling how poorly any-effects-health-only power compares to other powers. I am pretty certain at this point the developers consider this problem "a feature" and have no intention of correcting it. I for this reason alone stopped playing the game; seeing damage boosting/special protection stripping powers as the only viable, sane choices, choices I do not like at all.

Modifié par Akai San Kaku Tou, 12 avril 2010 - 09:42 .

[Negative_Sun]

There are awesome vids on YouTube showing you Engineers pwning the battlefield on Insanity using lots of Cryo blasts...



Watch and learn and quiet your moans.

[Koralis]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Is it just me or is cryo blast pretty much useless?
The only thing it does is crowd controll and even then it is inferior to nueral shock which is priceless for cc. I get fairly good cc from
my drone and overload provides crowd controll against synthetics as well as damaging them and providing sheild stripping with incinerate doing the same for armour and organics....so is there a use for cryo blast? Have I just been wearing my fail hat (apart from my blunder at the top)

Actually, I'm rather liking it on Mordin.  Paired with his Area Effect Incinerate + Miranda's Area Effect Overload, you can pretty much CryoBlast a group, then my vanguard can shoot in and start causing some carnage with a lot fewer bullets aimed in my direction.   The initial charge tends to shatter too, which is fun

[AntiChri5]

Koralis wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Is it just me or is cryo blast pretty much useless?
The only thing it does is crowd controll and even then it is inferior to nueral shock which is priceless for cc. I get fairly good cc from
my drone and overload provides crowd controll against synthetics as well as damaging them and providing sheild stripping with incinerate doing the same for armour and organics....so is there a use for cryo blast? Have I just been wearing my fail hat (apart from my blunder at the top)

Actually, I'm rather liking it on Mordin.  Paired with his Area Effect Incinerate + Miranda's Area Effect Overload, you can pretty much CryoBlast a group, then my vanguard can shoot in and start causing some carnage with a lot fewer bullets aimed in my direction.   The initial charge tends to shatter too, which is fun

Bah! dont tempt me to go back to vangaurd! I have to try all the classes.

[Akai San Kaku Tou]

Quiet my moans eh? Cryo blast is such a useful power that even people trying to prove its usefulness only invest 1 point in it. If your argument is that 1 point in it is a worthwhile investment yeah I agree but so it is with any other power.

Modifié par Akai San Kaku Tou, 12 avril 2010 - 11:11 .

[vadrillan]

Cryo Blast is good at what it is - CC.

While you may argue that "anything down to health is as good as dead", down to health and not shooting you is better. Not shooting you and taking double damage is bonus.

Defenses down -> Cryo -> Melee = fun.



It's very handy even at rank 1. That is a GOOD thing. Higher ranks obviously give you more time to line up whatever punishment you have in mind (melee/throw...w/e), and rank 4 improves your chance of hitting more than 1 enemy.