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[Shepard Lives]

Excellent, Tag. Absolutely excellent job. I eagerly await the coming of Chapter 5.

[Tag1702]

Thanks. Appreciate that a great deal.

[Der-3]

Finally registrered my ME2 game on this website !
I am happy to see a support thread for Kelly. I find her lovely.
But i'm sad because she's not very popular (according to some polls i saw on the forum).

I appreciate her so much that i use her  'Commander, you received a new message at your private terminal' as an new email audio alert on Thunderbird

I hope she will present in ME3.And thanks to all fanfictions writers, the stories are awesome. :happy:

[Yana Montana]

Hey, Der-3! Welcome to BSN and Kelly thread! *friendly hug*

Lol! Now I want 'Commander, you received a new message at your private terminal' as my sms alert!

[Shepard Lives]

Der-3 wrote...


I appreciate her so much that i use her  'Commander, you received a new message at your private terminal' as an new email audio alert on Thunderbird

Whoa. How did you even do that? I want it too.

[Tag1702]

Der-3 wrote...


I appreciate her so much that i use her  'Commander, you received a new message at your private terminal' as an new email audio alert on Thunderbird

HOW!!!!

Curious about that definitely. Seriously though, welcome to the Network, and welcome to the Kelly thread. Nice to see new "faces" taking an interest.

[Freelancer rook]

I know it's not much but she will be included much more in the second one but she proves as a forshadowing helper in the story,

http://social.biowar...943/blog/10386/

[Der-3]

1) Used this program to extract all Kelly sentences from the ME2 game files (applied the filter "yeoman").
2) Listened all files one by one to find the file i was looking for.
3) Converted the chosen file from ogg to wav (as Thunderbird only accepts wav files).
4) in Thunderbird, go to Tools -> Options ... and configure to use the wav file.
See this capture if you need help (well, it's in French but you should find easily for your version).

For your convenience, here is the file i use for my Thunderbird.

Hope it helps all Kelly fans.

Modifié par Der-3, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Tag1702]

Der-3. Thanks for posting that. It took a long freaking time to figure out how to make my phone let me set up a custom notification alert sound, but I finally managed and now have it for my alert SMS alert on my phone.



Very Nice : )

[GuardianAngel470]

I would prefer she didn't return. Besides the fact that of all the crew who talk on the Normandy she is the only one that is actually driven slightly insane by the Collector abduction, I have no need for a psychologist on my ship.



Psychologists breed distrust and an Us-Against-Them mentality. They make people feel like they are being disected and put back together completely back asswards. I don't need her and she (IRL) would do more harm than good, especially since it is obvious she has never seen combat before.



She's a book learned expert on a ship full of tried and tested specialists.

[hamtyl07]

and she unleashed scaleitch onto the nomandy the only reason i talked to her is so i would not have to worry about my fish dieing


if she does not return who will feed my fish

Modifié par hamtyl07, 18 octobre 2010 - 11:02 .

[GuardianAngel470]

To clarify, you wouldn't hire a soldier right out of boot camp to take down a reaper from the inside.



You wouldn't recruit an engineer straight out of tech school to maintain the most advanced warship in the galaxy.

[hamtyl07]

in my eyes she just the random woman who feed my fish and let me know if have a new e-mail otherwise i really see no reason to keep her around

[chris025657]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

To clarify, you wouldn't hire a soldier right out of boot camp to take down a reaper from the inside.

You wouldn't recruit an engineer straight out of tech school to maintain the most advanced warship in the galaxy.

You don't need to be an elite super soldier to do clerical duties as a yeoman. Secondly, Kelly monitors the mental health of the crew informally which is useful on a high stress mission considered to be suicidal especially given some of the histories of your squadmates. 

[GuardianAngel470]

chris025657 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

To clarify, you wouldn't hire a soldier right out of boot camp to take down a reaper from the inside.

You wouldn't recruit an engineer straight out of tech school to maintain the most advanced warship in the galaxy.

You don't need to be an elite super soldier to do clerical duties as a yeoman. Secondly, Kelly monitors the mental health of the crew informally which is useful on a high stress mission considered to be suicidal especially given some of the histories of your squadmates. 

Yeah, and I don't need a psychologist either. EDI is just as capable to tell me when I have a message and as I in my other post, there are very good reasons to not have a psychologist on board.

The more subtle you are, the less trust others have in you.

Besides, since when do people like my team need their mental health checked? Garrus is fully capable of dealing with it on his own, Thane has a death wish, Samara has resolved herself to death anyway, Mordin looks at the whole thing as a challenge, Jack is too impulsive to care, Tali trusts Shepard enough to not worry about it, Grunt is also too impulsive to give it any thought, Jacob is like Garrus, Legion is a robot who can back up his runtimes elsewhere and can't feel fear, Zaeed has done this a billion times.

Really, the only people I'd be worried about are Miranda and Kasumi. Neither have seen combat really and they are both out of their element.

Besides, name one time Kelly tells you something about your teammates that actually had to do with their mental health. All she did was tell you they had something on their minds that was completely unrelated to the Collector mission.

The cook could have told me that, he's on the same level as half my crew.

EDIT: Jacob perfectly explains the reason I think having a psychologist onboard is a bad idea. In response to Shepard saying he wants to know what makes him tick, Jacob says:

"If anyone else said that I'd walk away."

He also says that most of Cerberus try to play like TIM, "hiding bull**** behind a smile."

Psychologists are bad because you just can't know what they really want because it is their job to dig up secrets and scars. Because the crew wouldn't know what Kelly was actually after, they wouldn't be honest. They simply wouldn't trust her if she was doing it all informally.

At least, they wouldn't IRL.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 19 octobre 2010 - 12:43 .

[chris025657]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

-snip-

I'd have to disagree.

I'm not a psychologist, but I'm pretty sure Kelly's informal function as a psychologist does not involve invasively "digging into secrets and scars" or "finding out what makes one tick". She simply talks to people and looks for warning signs. 

As I said before, I can think of two major reasons to be concerned about the mental health of the squadmates and the crew: the stress of the suicide mission and the histories of some of the squadmates.

A very dangerous mission in which no one expects you come back alive would be extremely stressful. I'm not sure how I can make this more clear. There's more than just the squadmates to be concerned about as well; there are some 20+ other crew members on this mission. Some of them have families and children as well. 

I'm not going to go down the list of every squadmate's history and how that might affect their mental health, but you seem to be a fan of Garrus. With Garrus, for example, he created and led a squad that all ended up dead due to betrayal. That was obviously very stressful for him and he feels a great sense of responsibility for what happened. 

[DrSpoonbender]

If I understand part of your argument for not keeping Kelly aboard the Normandy is the much of her dialog is banal. I find conversations with her refreshing and enjoyable; she is very supportive of Shepard and she never treats me like a nuisance when I speak to her (unlike others). I also like how our conversations are partly reactions to what I’ve accomplished, and not just centered on her personal issues.
 
I don’t see Kelly’s role as simply stating when any email arrives. I think it is necessary to have adjutant who assists with the menial tasks were the commander can focus on the greater mission.
 
The fact that someone with psychological training would be assigned to a warship seems standard to me.
http://www.navy.com/...clinical-psych/
 
It would seem a necessity with the pressure that would be inherent in what many consider a suicide mission.
 
I find Kelly indispensible, and look forward to having her in my crew in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par DrSpoonbender, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Shepard Lives]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

The more subtle you are, the less trust others have in you.

What does this even mean? If by subtle you mean lying, or manipulative, then you've chosen the wrong adjective. It's not like Kelly wants to know about my crew so that she can manipulate them or stuff. Unless she's an incredibly good actor and hides her evil self behind a caring, empathic façade... but all things considered, that's unlikely.

Besides, since when do people like my team need their mental health checked? Garrus is fully capable of dealing with it on his own, Thane has a death wish, Samara has resolved herself to death anyway, Mordin looks at the whole thing as a challenge, Jack is too impulsive to care, Tali trusts Shepard enough to not worry about it, Grunt is also too impulsive to give it any thought, Jacob is like Garrus, Legion is a robot who can back up his runtimes elsewhere and can't feel fear, Zaeed has done this a billion times.
Really, the only people I'd be worried about are Miranda and Kasumi. Neither have seen combat really and they are both out of their element.

You're wrong on most of these, I think.
Zaeed, well, he's a badass, but not a stable one. His loyalty mission and the Shadow Broker dossiers prove it (they also prove the he speaks with Kelly, actually). He probably has a form of PTSD, not to mention that obsessing over Vido for twenty years can't have been good for his balance.

Mordin might want to talk a little about his guilty conscience, I suppose. Or he could deal with his problems alone. I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

And Jack... well, while she'd probably refuse to talk about it with anyone (especially a Cerberus employee), you can't deny that she has considerable issues. And "too impulsive to care"? Really? You ever Paragon-romanced her? She's terribly thraumatized, poor girl. Can't blame her for it.

Garrus seemed pretty shaken about his squad getting butchered. I think he'd appreciate some talking. Or maybe not, who knows.

Miranda wouldn't talk about it but she does have some issues.

As for Kasumi, well, I don't think she needs any help, but she and Kelly probably get along great.

Thane, Jacob, and Samara are the only ones that I think can actually deal with their troubles alone (whereas Tali, Legion and Grunt just don't have any issues to begin with).

And even if I were wrong about the squadmates, the normal crew still needs counseling, I think.

Besides, name one time Kelly tells you something about your teammates that actually had to do with their mental health. All she did was tell you they had something on their minds that was completely unrelated to the Collector mission.

That's a game design issue, not a character issue.

Psychologists are bad because you just can't know what they really want because it is their job to dig up secrets and scars. Because the crew wouldn't know what Kelly was actually after, they wouldn't be honest. They simply wouldn't trust her if she was doing it all informally.

The crew would probably suspect that Kelly's job is to report to TIM. Allow me to counter the argument.
While he's certainly ruthless and amoral, I fail to see what he'd do with info on their psychological issues. Given that he's the one who suggests to recruit my companions in the first place, I'd say the probably knows everything about them already.

Also, Kelly seems very earnest in her desire to help others. I think this is something that can be felt. She's probably very good with making people feel comfortable.

I am open to further discussion, sir.

[GuardianAngel470]

shepard_lives wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

The more subtle you are, the less trust others have in you.

What does this even mean? If by subtle you mean lying, or manipulative, then you've chosen the wrong adjective. It's not like Kelly wants to know about my crew so that she can manipulate them or stuff. Unless she's an incredibly good actor and hides her evil self behind a caring, empathic façade... but all things considered, that's unlikely.

Besides, since when do people like my team need their mental health checked? Garrus is fully capable of dealing with it on his own, Thane has a death wish, Samara has resolved herself to death anyway, Mordin looks at the whole thing as a challenge, Jack is too impulsive to care, Tali trusts Shepard enough to not worry about it, Grunt is also too impulsive to give it any thought, Jacob is like Garrus, Legion is a robot who can back up his runtimes elsewhere and can't feel fear, Zaeed has done this a billion times.
Really, the only people I'd be worried about are Miranda and Kasumi. Neither have seen combat really and they are both out of their element.

You're wrong on most of these, I think.
Zaeed, well, he's a badass, but not a stable one. His loyalty mission and the Shadow Broker dossiers prove it (they also prove the he speaks with Kelly, actually). He probably has a form of PTSD, not to mention that obsessing over Vido for twenty years can't have been good for his balance.

Mordin might want to talk a little about his guilty conscience, I suppose. Or he could deal with his problems alone. I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

And Jack... well, while she'd probably refuse to talk about it with anyone (especially a Cerberus employee), you can't deny that she has considerable issues. And "too impulsive to care"? Really? You ever Paragon-romanced her? She's terribly thraumatized, poor girl. Can't blame her for it.

Garrus seemed pretty shaken about his squad getting butchered. I think he'd appreciate some talking. Or maybe not, who knows.

Miranda wouldn't talk about it but she does have some issues.

As for Kasumi, well, I don't think she needs any help, but she and Kelly probably get along great.

Thane, Jacob, and Samara are the only ones that I think can actually deal with their troubles alone (whereas Tali, Legion and Grunt just don't have any issues to begin with).

And even if I were wrong about the squadmates, the normal crew still needs counseling, I think.

Besides, name one time Kelly tells you something about your teammates that actually had to do with their mental health. All she did was tell you they had something on their minds that was completely unrelated to the Collector mission.

That's a game design issue, not a character issue.

Psychologists are bad because you just can't know what they really want because it is their job to dig up secrets and scars. Because the crew wouldn't know what Kelly was actually after, they wouldn't be honest. They simply wouldn't trust her if she was doing it all informally.

The crew would probably suspect that Kelly's job is to report to TIM. Allow me to counter the argument.
While he's certainly ruthless and amoral, I fail to see what he'd do with info on their psychological issues. Given that he's the one who suggests to recruit my companions in the first place, I'd say the probably knows everything about them already.

Also, Kelly seems very earnest in her desire to help others. I think this is something that can be felt. She's probably very good with making people feel comfortable.

I am open to further discussion, sir.

I don't disagree that my crew has issues, but I don't think they, IRL, would feel comfortable talking about them to a psychologist who, in my impression, hasn't seen combat.

Let's face it, don't you think they would all feel more comfortable talking to Me as Shepard than a Cerberus psychologist? Especially one who hasn't, I assume, seen any of the same things they have and thus can't actually sympathize but can only pretend or convince themselves they sympathize?

I come back to her reaction to the abduction. Most of the other crew, including the woman and man at the dining table and the people in the bunk room, have seen combat or at least military service.

Only Mess Sergeant Gardner appears to not have been in the military other than Kelly, and as I pointed out his reaction was far superior to Kelly's.

I simply don't think any of my crew can feel comfortable expressing themselves to Kelly for several reasons. The fact that she is Cerberus for most of them, the fact that she is a psychologist (which at least one person has expressed distaste for), because she hasn't seen any of the things they have, and because her naivety can be abrasive.

Can you honestly imagine Garrus discussing Sedonis with miss "I love quarian, turian, salarian, asari"? Or grunt?

And to include your reference of the log at the SB base. This pretty much proves why she should be there. Her reaction to Zaeed's waxing goddamn nostalgic is why I don't think she should be on my ship.

She's a civilian on a military ship that is supposed to understand the crew enough to determine whether their mental state is sound.

Hell, I've heard, (since I haven't been in the military myself but have a similar sense of humor) that after men and women have seen their friends die they become almost callous about death. They joke about their buddy's death to relieve the pain but if a civilian psychologist heard that and didn't know enough about them, they'd determine that they were not mentally sound.

[GuardianAngel470]

And the fact that Kelly never actually tells you why a crew member feels a certain way, if one were to ignore the idea that it is a game mechanic, means she doesn't get close enough to anyone for her to be useful.



EDI could tell me over the intercom that certain crew members were agitated, which amounts to all the Kelly does.

[GuardianAngel470]

chris025657 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

-snip-

I'd have to disagree.

I'm not a psychologist, but I'm pretty sure Kelly's informal function as a psychologist does not involve invasively "digging into secrets and scars" or "finding out what makes one tick". She simply talks to people and looks for warning signs. 

As I said before, I can think of two major reasons to be concerned about the mental health of the squadmates and the crew: the stress of the suicide mission and the histories of some of the squadmates.

A very dangerous mission in which no one expects you come back alive would be extremely stressful. I'm not sure how I can make this more clear. There's more than just the squadmates to be concerned about as well; there are some 20+ other crew members on this mission. Some of them have families and children as well. 

I'm not going to go down the list of every squadmate's history and how that might affect their mental health, but you seem to be a fan of Garrus. With Garrus, for example, he created and led a squad that all ended up dead due to betrayal. That was obviously very stressful for him and he feels a great sense of responsibility for what happened. 

As a person who has met several and taken a general psychology class (the former being the more important) I can say that unless you go to one on purpose, it feels very invasive. They ask you questions that you feel are trying to dig deep and they contradict you when you say things to try and "fix" you.

[The Uncanny]

But Kelly isn't a psychologist. Yes, she has a degree in psychology but she's a counsellor.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 19 octobre 2010 - 07:02 .

[Nightwriter]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

And the fact that Kelly never actually tells you why a crew member feels a certain way, if one were to ignore the idea that it is a game mechanic, means she doesn't get close enough to anyone for her to be useful.

EDI could tell me over the intercom that certain crew members were agitated, which amounts to all the Kelly does.

Ah, but EDI cannot hug you comfortingly after you come back from your cold, hard missions.

Or let you know that Thane is quite sexy. Which is important information.

[KendallX23]

oh yes...very important information...not that u care if thane is sexy...the man is dying and still cares about his wife(drell memory is a pain sometimes)...and why would my Shep need a hug...even if he does...it won;t be from her

most of the time Kelly is very naive about the world...one must wonder what she really knows about it...the only time she is interesting is after the suicide mission....i wish she had more to her then just telling me i have messages and how she thinks my crew is