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[Carol L S]

It's my third playthrough with my third different character, and I have yet to kill Flemeth or the High Dragon.  i have tried different companions/strategies and I get abut half it's health down and then lose it.  Right now I am playing a DW warrior and I last brought Alistair, Liliana and Wynne becasue it seems the dragon is immune to magic so Morrigan doesn't help. (Is that right?)  Anyway, what exactly is the best way to damage these things??  I am level 14, btw.

[bl0ww]

bring morigan instead, cone of cold does work on dragons. make sure that you have good fire resist gears for both your warriors. And rmb to micromanage your mages often incase the dragon shoots a fireball at them. bring lots of health pots and start chipping away.

[Zy-El]

Flemeth doesn't move from her spot. So, use missile weapons and spells to take her out - do not engage in melee. Be sure to heal anyone who gets low in health.



The High Dragon is tougher since it flits in and out of combat circle. Lelianna and Morrigan are effective as they are ranged shooters. Use everything at your disposal (ie poison, Rally, etc). Keep everybody's health up at all times. Use Shayle if you have the DLC. Summon a Bear if you have a Ranger. The dragon is alone so outnumbering it is good. Also, did you complete the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest before slaying the dragon - you can do so - The quest will net you some experience and gear that might be useful in taking on the dragon.

[Xanfaus]

You could give Allistair a bow to keep him out of the way while your DW warrior wails on the dragon (doesn't matter which one) and be sure to never attack the dragon from the front for any reason. If the dragon repositions then so should you. Just make sure to stay behind or to the side of the dragon, set healing tactics to cast "Heal" at 75% for any mages in your party, and set a tactic for casting cone of cold in case the dragon manages to grab one of your fighters. The dragons are all fairly easy once you know they only have a few moves.



If you're still having a lot of trouble come back to them in a few levels, around level 18 or so, and you should be able to handily beat them.

[overwine]

I tried him/her/them at 14 or 15 and failed pretty bad. I would suggest coming back later. I came back at 18 - 20 and rocked them both pretty hard.



Then again I came prepared: 50 greater poultices of each type. I did the standard MMO party for both dragons.



Allistair - tank

Sten - damage

Rogue (Main Character) - damage

Wynne - healing



I controlled Wynne to maximize the uses of potions, buffs and heals. Both fights took a little while and I'd have to use revive at least once a fight but it worked out pretty well.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

shale to take damage and use him to draw all the attention



1 of your mages should be spirit healer all u need is group heal



Cast infernos and tempests with your mages for extra damage and use cone of cold on him everytime you can so you can have a breather



Be sure leliana has song of courage and a dragonthorn bow



Also make sure both your warriors have threaten on.



Cast a life ward on alistar and you should be good i have no trouble killing him,

[DWSmiley]

Dragons are easy even on nightmare with this group. So easy you can do it almost without pausing and you don't even need fire resist gear (except Shale's crystal). The only pausing is to have whomever run away from the High Dragon if Shale loses threat.



Shale, small nature crystal, large fire crystal, and Stone Roar to keep the dragon's attention. She can't be grabbed so she doesn't need to stay behind the dragon.



Keep the others back and spread out:

Wynne for healing and set to drink mana pots as needed.

Leliana (Flemeth) or Morrigan (High Dragon) for ranged attacks.

PC warden also ranged attacks - doesn't matter what they are.

[RazorrX]

multiple ways but here is how I tend to do it:

Shale is great for tanking - bellow, roar, taunt, etc.

Wynne or Morrigan can heal him (if you give Morrigan heal). Also you could cast invulnerability on Shale when she starts taking too much damage.

ANY Character at a distance and ranging for slow continual dps.

You can either DPS Ranged, spell or melee. I like to wait until shale has lots and lots of agro then jump on from flank and go to town, it is also how I end up doing the dragon ride every time.

Modifié par RazorrX, 12 avril 2010 - 06:30 .

[DWSmiley]

RazorrX wrote...

I like to wait until shale has lots and lots of agro then jump on from flank and go to town, it is also how I end up doing the dragon ride every time.

Nice touch - it's much more satisfying with the dragon ride.  My first victory was Wynne + 3 meleers (Sten, Alistair and me).  It took what seemed an hour of pausing every few seconds and ended with Sten and Alistair down and my twice-revived warrior getting the ride.  I thought at first I had been grabbed again and it was all over.  Wynne wouldn't have lasted a heartbeat on her own.  It was so sweet when I realized victory was finally mine!

[sagefire1204]

Ranged companions/Mages work best.

My team for both was:

Morrigan - casting Cold, Lightning, and Fire spells with a vulnerability hex

Leliana - using Marjolene's Recurve and a host of sustained abilities

Wynne - using Earth spells and healing spells

My main character, being a duelist/assassin, wasn't too handy unless the dragon was frozen or stunned dealing critical and backstab damages.

Modifié par sagefire1204, 12 avril 2010 - 06:51 .

[Nightfish103]

One thing you may or may not know about yet is that if you cast Force Field on one of your party members they will be invulnerable but continue to be healed over time if they're affected by regenerate. So, whenever one of your melee fighters get's close to dying, cast those two spells on him and he'll still be tanking and will slowly heal. I actually stopped doing this because it seems close to cheating...

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Has anyone fought the archdemon like they did the highdragon? i did was ten times better then being lazy with a ballista! feels like you did somthing

[DragonShepard138]

Returning around level 18 and having a good party and strategy should do the trick. I posted this on another thread concerning another user's difficulty with dragons.

"There are two really good strategies I use to take out the high dragons.



If my main character is a warrior, I found I needed to more outsmart the dragon rather than outfight it because of both myself and Alistair get knocked down frequently. What I did was attack the dragon with large swords and two handed abilities, along with Alistair who would use shield and sword techniques. Once I feel that the dragon has had enough of a two on one melee attack or if you find that your warrior is being knocked around too much, then use archery with basic attacks and stand away and allow Alistair to take the hits and remain fighting. Simultaneously, I would have Leilana as an archer and wynne as an basic attacker (just her basic attack only) and healer standing back, far away from the dragon's reach. Wynne will be the healer and a basic attacker incase a party member dies or needs to heal. If you're stuck, open up the radial menu and make the damaged character take a healing potion.



If my main character is a mage, I would cast blizzard then tempest in succession around the dragon, if you are a blood mage, cast blood wound at this time as well, then once blood wound is cast, turn off blood mage so that you are now using mana for power. Then I would have Leilana as an archer and wynne as an basic attacker (just her basic attack only) and healer standing back, far away from the dragon's reach. The tank for me in this case would be Alistair who may need a few revives and heals, but nothing to worry about, he is your sacrificial lamb he is to tank and take the majority of the damage so that it is not widespread amongst your party. The main character mage along with Wynne and Leilana doing ranged attacks out of the dragons way is enough to survive (as long as Wynne has enough lyrium potions to heal Alistair as well as healing any other member due to any flame breaths from the dragon)."


Also another note, in the strategy I gave, just  exchange the word warrior for rogue if your playable character is not warrior since it'll be a fairly similar experience just with different abilites involved.

Modifié par DragonShepard138, 12 avril 2010 - 07:01 .

[DWSmiley]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Has anyone fought the archdemon like they did the highdragon? i did was ten times better then being lazy with a ballista! feels like you did somthing

I'm much more agressive with the archdemon.  Of course, I have a stronger party by then but my meleers just charge in.  I've never been grabbed - I don't know if the archdemon does that.

[Carol L S]

Thanks, all! I think I'll level up a couple of times and bring Shale along this time. I hadn't tried using her.



thanks for all your suggestions!!

[RazorrX]

Heh, first time I fought the Archdemon I did not even notice the Ballista.



cant figure out why it does not say I killed the archdemon as I got to ride it and then did the stabbity thing. *shrug*

[ZMJ10]

overwine wrote...

I tried him/her/them at 14 or 15 and failed pretty bad. I would suggest coming back later. I came back at 18 - 20 and rocked them both pretty hard.

Then again I came prepared: 50 greater poultices of each type. I did the standard MMO party for both dragons.

Allistair - tank
Sten - damage
Rogue (Main Character) - damage
Wynne - healing

I controlled Wynne to maximize the uses of potions, buffs and heals. Both fights took a little while and I'd have to use revive at least once a fight but it worked out pretty well.

Not to kick you in the mouth but thats not what i would call a standerd mmo group usally its tank/healer/dps/range dps or off tank, but this game doesnt need that much strategy

[Realmzmaster]

All the dragon can be killed with ranged attacks. You need one party member (Shale is good) to keep the dragon's attention (usually a member with high hp). If you have cleared out the Temple you should have at least 3 drake scales. Go to Wade's Euporium in Denermin and have Wade create a suit of Wade's Drake Scale armor (35% fire resistance). You will have to wait for it to be made.

If you have three additional drake scales you can get Wade's Superior drake scale armor (70% fire resistance) Equip everyone else with ranged weapons. Use Wynne to keep the dragon bait alive.



Better yet if you have a ranger (or rangers) in the party call a pet to keep the dragon's attention.



I have killed Flemeth and the High Dragon using a tank (Alistair wearing one of Wade's armor or Shale) and three rangers (Warden, Zeveran and Lelianna) level 14 party on the PC.

Since each ranger can call a pet you can have a seven member party (sorry console users can only have one pet period).

I sent the pets to harass the dragon. Everyone else range weapons. Note my warden was a herbalist so potions were not a problem.

When the pets died I sent Alistair (Shale is better because she cannot be grabbed) in until the rangers can re-summon the pets.

The only major problem I had is the dragon's ability to pull your party in.



The ArchDemon is a little different because the fort top has places your pets cannot reach, but they are good for keeping the darkspawn off of your party. You will want to use the elvish army since they are range attackers. Have all your party members as range attackers and keep your bows trained to the ArchDemon. The ballistae are also useful, but can jam and require a rogue to unjam them.

[tribefaninnc]

I took the 'fireproof my party and micromanage a mage' approach. I think I used Al, Sten (w/Yusaris), Morrigan (w/Heal), and archer PC + ranger pet. Let Al and Sten hack away while my archer shot and grenaded away. Morrigan alternated between healing and attacking. Vulnerability Hex helps a lot when it sticks.  The various Wade armors obviously help too.

I died once on the High Dragon when I went in for a Cone of Cold and got killed before I could run away out of range again

Modifié par tribefaninnc, 13 avril 2010 - 01:31 .

[sedrikhcain]

It was a tough fight and it took about 8-10 tries I killed Flemeth with Zev, Alistair, Wynne and my warrior character, level 14 IIRC -- and by the end I actually had it down pat. Alistair and PC had drake-scale armor (Alistair had the better version). PC and Ali attacked melee and Zev attacked with cold arrows using a tier 4 or 5 bow (can't remember which). Wynne was in almost constant healing mode but the other thing she was great for was stone fist because it made Flemeth drop whomever she's shaking, which otherwise was an automatic kill, even from full health. Sword+board for Ali, DW for PC. Position warriors one in front, one in back. didn't use any taunts. use lyrium potions to keep wynne charged up and just whittle away until you take the old girl down. Keep Wynne and Zev WAAAAAAY back, lest they get the full brunt of the fire attacks. Also, if you can manage it (and this is a good tip in general, when possible) once one melee warrior goes down, keep the other one close by, so that when the other falls, they'll both be in the AOE of Wynne's revive spell. Once I got the hang of it, I don't think I had to revive but one party member, though. Even after Zev was out of arrows, I kept him back until right near the end because he was just dying too quickly otherwise.

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend this set up to anyone but if you're coming in from a low level or you're having trouble, you can survive it this way without dropping down a level.

And, yes, the dragon ride is a kick!

edited to fix a confusing choice of words.

Modifié par sedrikhcain, 14 avril 2010 - 11:18 .

[sedrikhcain]

I'll add that i found my soulrot bombs didn't do squat. FWIW.

[Caldarin V]

The hands down cheapest way to do it to be a mage, take Wynne and Morrigan, make sure all 3 of you have Cone of Cold, and at least one of you as the Death hex line maxed out (prolly Morrigan).

Bring Shale with a Brilliant Large Fire Crystal and a Brilliant Small Ice Crystal equipped

Cone of Cold will freeze the dragon for approximately 3 seconds. Get your mages in a ring around the dragon, hitting it with cone of cold every time it unfreezes. By the time the 3rd one wears off, the 1st one will have cooled down. Repeat as necessary



Shale (with whatever mode increases her Hostility) will keep the dragon occupied, and her high armor and insane health coupled with the dragon's vulnerability to cold will make her invaluable.



Keep blasting CoC till the dragon goes down