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[Ashira Shepard]

Busomjack wrote...
That is strictly Asari culture.  Asari are the only species known with natural biotic abilities so that aspect of their biology no doubt gives them some respect as warriors amongst other species.

Or maybe...now just maybe, other species see males and females as equal.

I know. Its SHOCKING.

:innocent:

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 30 avril 2010 - 02:41 .

[Le_Mieux]

Busomjack wrote...

Le_Mieux wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

And this is why the most feared, ruthless, and powerful commandos in the game are Asari?

Guy, did you even play this game?

That is strictly Asari culture.  Asari are the only species known with natural biotic abilities so that aspect of their biology no doubt gives them some respect as warriors amongst other species.

And what about Garrus's love fling?  Her being the top ranged martial fighter on the ship was something to be shrugged aside as well?  Or the fact that Turians, and even Quarians show no sexual bias to fighting ability?  Or that a female Krogan isn't considered sexy unless she can put up a fight?  Or that...or that...the list goes on, friend.

Or how about Jack, if you are looking for tangable evidence.  Since we know how visual men are.

Modifié par Le_Mieux, 30 avril 2010 - 02:43 .

[Steel Dancer]

Busomjack wrote...

Steel Dancer wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

Tell it to Garrus, just don't make him laugh too hard. It hurts.

"we were the two highest ranked hand to hand combatants on the ship"

Anecdotal.  Every rule has an exception.

And female Shepard is one. /thread.

[Busomjack]

General Stubbs wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

You have no point to make. Seriously, everything you say is based on theory.
In ME, Shepard meets what? Lets say 500-1000 different characters through the course of the game. I'd say at least one quarter of the enemies you fight are female.
How do you even have a theory based on women not being in combat roles when there are trillions of different beings in the galaxy, yet we have only seen 500-1000?

All of the women you fight are either human or Asari.  You can't say this represents a consensus of every alien's perception on a woman's role in combat.
You'd think that in a galaxy as racially pluralistic as Mass Effect we would see at least more females in combat positions, right?

[Ashira Shepard]

I'm starting to think he's just trying to assert his masculinity and feels threatened that women aren't staying "where they belong" in this game.

There's a simple explanation to the lack of females (same with children) Bioware hasn't gotten off their asses to render the models yet.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 30 avril 2010 - 02:44 .

[Busomjack]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.

Busomjack wrote...

That is strictly Asari culture.  Asari are the only species known with natural biotic abilities so that aspect of their biology no doubt gives them some respect as warriors amongst other species.

So someone calls you out on it and you write it off as an exception?

You're a tool.

Calling me out on what exactly?  You think a single Turian female is somehow evidence enough to counter the fact that we see no female aliens(other than Asari) anywhere in the game?

[Ashira Shepard]

For the third time - because Bioware hasn't gotten off their asses to render the models.

[Busomjack]

Steel Dancer wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Steel Dancer wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

Tell it to Garrus, just don't make him laugh too hard. It hurts.

"we were the two highest ranked hand to hand combatants on the ship"

Anecdotal.  Every rule has an exception.

And female Shepard is one. /thread.

Female Shepard may be tough but she still looks like a non-athletic, slightly out of shape middle aged house wife.  Appearences are what matter here and the fact that everyone in the game treats Shepard exactly the same as her male counterpart is what irks me.

[Le_Mieux]

Busomjack wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

You have no point to make. Seriously, everything you say is based on theory.
In ME, Shepard meets what? Lets say 500-1000 different characters through the course of the game. I'd say at least one quarter of the enemies you fight are female.
How do you even have a theory based on women not being in combat roles when there are trillions of different beings in the galaxy, yet we have only seen 500-1000?

All of the women you fight are either human or Asari.  You can't say this represents a consensus of every alien's perception on a woman's role in combat.
You'd think that in a galaxy as racially pluralistic as Mass Effect we would see at least more females in combat positions, right?

And we do, think on this.  We never saw a male Quarian in ME1.  Does this mean that male Quarians are inferior combatants than females?  I think our friend in ME2 would have something to say about that.

[Le_Mieux]

Busomjack wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.

Busomjack wrote...

That is strictly Asari culture.  Asari are the only species known with natural biotic abilities so that aspect of their biology no doubt gives them some respect as warriors amongst other species.

So someone calls you out on it and you write it off as an exception?

You're a tool.

Calling me out on what exactly?  You think a single Turian female is somehow evidence enough to counter the fact that we see no female aliens(other than Asari) anywhere in the game?

Quarians?  And why are Asari excepted?

[Busomjack]

General Stubbs wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

You have no point to make. Seriously, everything you say is based on theory.
In ME, Shepard meets what? Lets say 500-1000 different characters through the course of the game. I'd say at least one quarter of the enemies you fight are female.
How do you even have a theory based on women not being in combat roles when there are trillions of different beings in the galaxy, yet we have only seen 500-1000?

All of the women you fight are either human or Asari.  You can't say this represents a consensus of every alien's perception on a woman's role in combat.
You'd think that in a galaxy as racially pluralistic as Mass Effect we would see at least more females in combat positions, right?

Haha, you just dispproved your own point Busom. Well done!
Yes, how can we know how many women are in combat for other species since ME doesn't represent a consenus!

Well you'd think out of the 10,000 or so Turians and Krogan we'd see that at least one or two would be female?  I mean, if women are held in equal regard as far as combat is concerned it would be quite a mathematical implausibility for us to see none of them, wouldn't it?

[Ashira Shepard]

*raises eyebrow* You...you have seen women right? I'm a seventeen year old girl, I should have the most critical view of all, and yet...I don't. How strange.

[Dr. Laxslax]

Next topic: "They should give male Shepard's more diseases
Think about it: men naturally have less DNA than women so they can't protect themselves against certain diseases. It would be cool and realistic, despite all of the advances in the game set 173 years ahead of us, to have Shepard fight both the Reapers and hemophilia. It doesn't make sense that Shepard, let alone every single male in this game, just happens to be perfectly healthy since gene therapy or advanced technology wouldn't change the fact that Shepard is a man and therefore genetically inferior.
Male Shepard's dialogue applied to Matrix:
Paragon Shepard: I'll take the blue pill and break this fake world.
Renegade Shepard: Someone's been ****ing around with MY reality? Give me the blue one!
Sick Shepard: Which one is the blue one? Sorry, my colour blindness is acting up."

Sounds ridiculous? I only reciprocate what I see.

Modifié par Dr. Laxslax, 30 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[Le_Mieux]

Busomjack wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.
If they were, we would see them fighting.

You have no point to make. Seriously, everything you say is based on theory.
In ME, Shepard meets what? Lets say 500-1000 different characters through the course of the game. I'd say at least one quarter of the enemies you fight are female.
How do you even have a theory based on women not being in combat roles when there are trillions of different beings in the galaxy, yet we have only seen 500-1000?

All of the women you fight are either human or Asari.  You can't say this represents a consensus of every alien's perception on a woman's role in combat.
You'd think that in a galaxy as racially pluralistic as Mass Effect we would see at least more females in combat positions, right?

Haha, you just dispproved your own point Busom. Well done!
Yes, how can we know how many women are in combat for other species since ME doesn't represent a consenus!

Well you'd think out of the 10,000 or so Turians and Krogan we'd see that at least one or two would be female?  I mean, if women are held in equal regard as far as combat is concerned it would be quite a mathematical implausibility for us to see none of them, wouldn't it?

The reason being Bioware's modeling budget, you idget.

Same reason male Quarians didn't exist in ME1.

[Busomjack]

Le_Mieux wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I did not say women of various alien cultures have no role to play at all but they certainly aren't in any combat roles.
Women in Mass Effect's universe are clearly not warriors.

Busomjack wrote...

That is strictly Asari culture.  Asari are the only species known with natural biotic abilities so that aspect of their biology no doubt gives them some respect as warriors amongst other species.

So someone calls you out on it and you write it off as an exception?

You're a tool.

Calling me out on what exactly?  You think a single Turian female is somehow evidence enough to counter the fact that we see no female aliens(other than Asari) anywhere in the game?

Quarians?  And why are Asari excepted?

The Quarians are a special case.  They can only maintain a small population and thus need all the help they can get.
The Asari are mono-gendered really, not female.

[MadCat221]

[Ashira Shepard]

That's my motivational! XD

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 30 avril 2010 - 02:50 .

[Busomjack]

Male Quarians didn't exist in Mass Effect 1 because there are hardly any Quarians outside of the flotilla.

I don't doubt Bioware's art department was limited in time to develop female counterparts to each species, but it is because of that that they had to incorporate this limitation and pass it off as species having a patriarchal culture.