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[brain_damage]

Is it me, or are the characters in ME2 too over the top? The ones in Mass Effect were more...normal, more realistic, more down to earth and IMO they were deeper. The ones in ME2 are a ragtag bunch of misfits - they're more like a traveling circus. For example - once, a developer from Obsidian Ent. said that in Alpha Protocol they used a Kill Bill test - If a character fits in Kill Bill, that's probably too over-the-top. Ashley can pass, Jack and Mordin certainly can't.
What I'm trying to say is that I liked the characters and character interaction in ME1 better - communicating with the characters was certainly easier and they were more believeable. Why is everything so different in ME2?

[JeanLuc761]

I think you'll find that this thread will spiral into oblivion very fast because of differences of opinion.



For example, I thought some of the characters (specifically Ashley and Liara) in ME1 were incredibly boring. Ashley was your standard soldier with a touch of xenophobia and Liara was the cute bookworm girl. Both of them are decent characters in their own right but the problem is that the story didn't really allow them to develop much.



Compare this to Mass Effect 2, where not only do you have to spend time recruiting characters (thus learning about them and how they are), but you do loyalty mission for them, which, in most cases, strengthens the bond between player and character in ways that I don't think Mass Effect 1 ever dreamed it could.



I'll give you that Mass Effect 1 characters seemed more "normal," but unfortunately "normal" can easily translate to "boring." Archetypes are only a bad thing if they're presented in a cliche'd way, and I never got that impression in Mass Effect 2. While Garrus was your typical vigilante and Jack was your typical psychopath with a soft center, each one is presented in a compelling and believable way and I grew much stronger attachments to them than I did virtually anyone from Mass Effect 1.



My $0.02

[DarthCaine]

ME1's squad mates were the worst characters BioWare has ever made IMO

Modifié par DarthCaine, 12 avril 2010 - 09:47 .

[JeanLuc761]

DarthCaine wrote...

ME1's squad mates were the worst characters BioWare has ever made IMO

I more or less agree.  It's a pity too, because as we see with Garrus and Tali, there is much more to these characters than initially meets the eye.  

I can only hope Bioware vastly expands Liara, Ashley and Wrex in Mass Effect 3, otherwise I'll be forced to lump that trio among the least developed characters in the trilogy.

[kraidy1117]

The only characters I liked from ME where Wrex, Garrus and Tali. Liara and Kaidan where bland for me and while Ash was ok, she could have been way better. In ME2 the only characters I don't like are Jacob and Zaeed.

[ratzerman]

brain_damage wrote...
What I'm trying to say is that I liked the characters and character interaction in ME1 better - communicating with the characters was certainly easier and they were more believeable.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you.  I enjoyed the ME1 squad much more than the ME2 squad.  But as you can see, this forum is ceaselessly patrolled by a gang of pitbulls who will jump all over a thread containing even a whiff of  pro-ME1 sentiment.  That kind of talk isn't allowed here.

[DarthCaine]

ratzerman wrote...

brain_damage wrote...
What I'm trying to say is that I liked the characters and character interaction in ME1 better - communicating with the characters was certainly easier and they were more believeable.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you.  I enjoyed the ME1 squad much more than the ME2 squad.  But as you can see, this forum is ceaselessly patrolled by a gang of pitbulls who will jump all over a thread containing even a whiff of  pro-ME1 sentiment.  That kind of talk isn't allowed here.

What? Nobody jumped on anybody. They were all just saying their opinions

[Onyx Jaguar]

Differences of opinion are not allowed by either side. /sarcasm

Also I disagree with the OP

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 12 avril 2010 - 10:15 .

[jlb524]

DarthCaine wrote...

ME1's squad mates were the worst characters BioWare has ever made IMO

Good for you....luckily most don't agree with you.

[kraidy1117]

ratzerman wrote...

brain_damage wrote...
What I'm trying to say is that I liked the characters and character interaction in ME1 better - communicating with the characters was certainly easier and they were more believeable.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you.  I enjoyed the ME1 squad much more than the ME2 squad.  But as you can see, this forum is ceaselessly patrolled by a gang of pitbulls who will jump all over a thread containing even a whiff of  pro-ME1 sentiment.  That kind of talk isn't allowed here.

I don't mind ME2 bashing, there is some problems with ME2 that need to be fixed with ME3, I just get annoyed when the same topic is made so many times and afterwhile it becomes clear the OP is trying to poll. Somethings need to be brought to Biowares attention.

[JeanLuc761]

ratzerman wrote...

brain_damage wrote...
What I'm trying to say is that I liked the characters and character interaction in ME1 better - communicating with the characters was certainly easier and they were more believeable.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you.  I enjoyed the ME1 squad much more than the ME2 squad.  But as you can see, this forum is ceaselessly patrolled by a gang of pitbulls who will jump all over a thread containing even a whiff of  pro-ME1 sentiment.  That kind of talk isn't allowed here.

Yep, because a logical, well thought out response as to why I feel differently than the OP is "jumping all over this thread."

Nice try pal, but there are a great many of us who feel that the ME2 squad was more interesting.  It's called opinion.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 12 avril 2010 - 10:17 .

[Collider]

I thought the point was that many squad mates from ME2 would be over the top. You're recruiting the galaxy's "most" dangerous and skilled operatives, you are going to get diversity. I liked both ME1 and ME2 crew and I honestly don't care if someone likes the ME1 crew over the ME2 crew, that's their opinion.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Totally agree, I think ME1 did characters far better. And also integrated them into the plot far better.

Of course it was bound to suffer in ME2: It wasnt about "teh shoota".

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 12 avril 2010 - 10:18 .

[JeanLuc761]

jlb524 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

ME1's squad mates were the worst characters BioWare has ever made IMO

Good for you....luckily most don't agree with you.

And you're getting that idea from...where?

Also, I know I'm going to regret saying this but...why is it ALWAYS a person with a Liara avatar who comes in and says "Mass Effect 1 characters were far better."

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 12 avril 2010 - 10:19 .

[NoUserNameHere]

The ones in ME2 were awesome, the ones in ME1 were not.

There's your difference!



They made Garrus into a badass! Garrus! That cut-n-paste cowbow cop!

[kraidy1117]

*must restrain self from calling Dink troll, must restrain*

[kraidy1117]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

The ones in ME2 were awesome, the ones in ME1 were not.
There's your difference!

They made Garrus into a badass! Garrus! That cut-n-paste cowbow cop!

This.

[GodWood]

OP, how are they deeper? you never actually said why.

[DrunkenGoon]

ratzerman wrote...

brain_damage wrote...
What I'm trying to say is that I liked the characters and character interaction in ME1 better - communicating with the characters was certainly easier and they were more believeable.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you.  I enjoyed the ME1 squad much more than the ME2 squad.  But as you can see, this forum is ceaselessly patrolled by a gang of pitbulls who will jump all over a thread containing even a whiff of  pro-ME1 sentiment.  That kind of talk isn't allowed here.

Yea I just see a couple people stating there opinion.. No trolling or anything.. Personally I think the characters in ME1 were alright.. But I don't they got the depth that they eventually recieved in ME2.. Even though Garrus doesn't say much in ME2 I think I learned more about him in one loyalty mission and three talks than I did in the whole first game..

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

ME1's squad mates were the worst characters BioWare has ever made IMO

Good for you....luckily most don't agree with you.

And you're getting that idea from...where?

Also, I know I'm going to regret saying this but...why is it ALWAYS a person with a Liara avatar who comes in and says "Mass Effect 1 characters were far better."

Because the Liara fans always hate on ME2, there is only a few who don't.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 12 avril 2010 - 10:21 .

[kglaser]

Call Mordin over-the-top or any other adjective of your choosing...I absolutely love him just the way he is.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

The ones in ME2 were awesome, the ones in ME1 were not.
There's your difference!

They made Garrus into a badass! Garrus! That cut-n-paste cowbow cop!

YEAH! Garrus really kicked ass the way he had NO dialogue unless you wanted to screw his skeletal ass.

And Tali? What a badass floozy. Has all the character of a brick if you turn her down.

ME2 took two decent characters from ME1 and made them worse. Thats how bad ME2 is for character.

[Onyx Jaguar]

*looks at a couple of the comments in thread*

*sees they have nothing to do with topic*



Dot dot dot

[jlb524]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

And you're getting that idea from...where?

It doesn't seem that most people think ME1 characters were the worst BW ever made.  They all do very well in the various fan polls on these forums, including the LIs, Ashley, Liara, Kaidan.

Also, I know I'm going to regret saying this but...why is it ALWAYS a person with a Liara avatar who comes in and says "Mass Effect 1 characters were far better."

Because Liara is that awesome to incite this kind of devotion from her fans. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

Garrus had very little dialogue in the first ME!



And Tali was just there to educate you about the Quarians!