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[TheLostGenius]

I for one found that the Collector origin story to be gimmicky. Would have been much more interesting if their race had a more fleshed out background, then the simple, oh no, now you are fighting mutated Protheans. Not saying it isn't feasible within the ME univerise, just that the Collector origin story could have been much more interesting. Like an ancient species from millions of years ago, and they were like the only organic species to accept the Galactic purge (similar to how Saren reasoned, and was eventually indoctrinated).

Does anyone else that the Collectors as "mutated Protheans" cheapened the mystery and discovery of the Protheans from Mass Effect 1. (Arguably one of the more interesting facets of the first game).

This is my opinion and I'm not stating this as fact, so I'm really posting this to see what others think. Just thinking it would have been way better if they had a more creative origin. Maybe a species from outside the Galaxy that sided with the Reapers? I mean, mutated Protheans, come on!?   

[Gethforceone]

I think that they were pretty basic UNTIL you found out they were once Protheans.

[sergio71785]

Gethforceone wrote...

I think that they were pretty basic UNTIL you found out they were once Protheans.

Hah, that's pretty much how I felt.

Though I do think it would've made them a bit more interesting if they had actually retained some kind of... uh,  Prothean-ness. 

[kglaser]

I see what you mean, but I think the shock of finding out this info makes it all worth it. First shock, then a feeling of real tragedy for this once-great race. That's what I feel, anyway.

[TheLostGenius]

It didn't add anything to the narrative. We had already accepted from ME1 that the Protheans were enslaved and then wiped out, and the only remaining indoctrinated Protheans were mindless husks. (According to Vigil). That said the collectors are still fairly generic looking and don't even vaguely resemble the Protheans (which look like the space fairing aliens from the film "Alien"). That said I don't think resorting to explaining the existence of the Collector's as enriching the Mass Effect experience. I'm only saying this because I feel strongly that this series is the best original RPG series of the early 21st century.

[kraidy1117]

Nah, I said holy **** when I found out. I felt sad to see how a once mighty race was reduced to a race of husk and I was even more determined to save them through killing them, plus when Harbinger leaves the General to die, and you look at those yellow eyes, I just can't help byt feel sad for them.



Anyways I think it makes sence, this gives alot of reasons why the Collectors have been studying the other races for years and how they where getting all this tech.

[Vaenier]

Seeing how we only fought them 3 times in the entire game... They didnt really leave much of an impression. For a while, I was sure that the main enemies in ME2 were the mercenary groups you go around the galaxy eliminating.

[kglaser]

TheLostGenius wrote...
 the Protheans (which look like the space fairing aliens from the film "Alien")

You know, you're right...I agree with you, although it seemed the Protheans were smaller.

[NICKjnp]

I think people were guessing they were Protheans before the game even came out.... no startling revelation.

[smudboy]

They were a mindless, organic storm trooping opposing force. Their existence makes little sense, considering the events of ME1 (Sovereign thought of organics as something akin to ants to be crushed.) How they existed for 50k years and weren't recruited by Sovereign is unknown, even though they were genetically rewritten to be their slaves, yet didn't take part in the plot of ME1. It's kind of like how in a Star Wars sequel, the Empire would suddenly have an entire army of droids they were secretly hiding away, and had literally pulled out of their ass.

[kraidy1117]

smudboy wrote...

They were a mindless, organic storm trooping opposing force. Their existence makes little sense, considering the events of ME1 (Sovereign thought of organics as something akin to ants to be crushed.) How they existed for 50k years and weren't recruited by Sovereign is unknown, even though they were genetically rewritten to be their slaves, yet didn't take part in the plot of ME1. It's kind of like how in a Star Wars sequel, the Empire would suddenly have an entire army of droids they were secretly hiding away, and had literally pulled out of their ass.

The Collectors where ment to study, not fight. It's easy to follow. Also we know the Collectors where around for a hell of along time.

[Gethforceone]

kglaser wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...
 the Protheans (which look like the space fairing aliens from the film "Alien")

You know, you're right...I agree with you, although it seemed the Protheans were smaller.

I don't think there was definative proof that they looked like that.

[kglaser]

Gethforceone wrote...

kglaser wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...
 the Protheans (which look like the space fairing aliens from the film "Alien")

You know, you're right...I agree with you, although it seemed the Protheans were smaller.

I don't think there was definative proof that they looked like that.

Nah, not definitive proof, but as epirical evidence, it's something, anyway.

[KnotEngaged]

The only problem with the Collectors is that they don't have a "face". in ME you are fighting Sovereign and the geth, but the compelling face of the enemy was Saren. Saren gave the enemy a definition, and gave you a goal, the collectors don't have that. Harbinger is Sovereign part 2 and the collector general has no real dialogue with Shepard. Simply the Collectors just needed a true leader that we encountered in game, and then I think they would have been more compelling.

[Vaenier]

It would have been so much more awsome if the Collectors were a flood like organism that were the Reapers arch nemesis, and thats why they keep wiping out the galaxy to cull the infection. Hell, It makes so much damn sense, thats why they took colonists for food, thats why they wanted Shepard to help kill the reapers, thats why they were biological with biological weapons and armor, and could be remotely controlled by the gravemind, err harbringer... Halo plot > ME2 plot... *uses active camo to hide from flames*

[Gethforceone]

Vaenier wrote...
Halo plot > ME2 plot...

HECK no.

[TheLostGenius]

Dude I'm not gonna flame you, but Halo is a child's story compared to Mass Effect. I respect your opinion and am certain that you very much enjoy the Halo series. That said I find Halo to be "just ok", and nothing special...back to the topic.



The Collector nemesis was too generalized, any drone could suddenly become the Collector General, which in turn made fighting him extremely anti-climatic. Also KnotEngaged is right on the button, the enemy doesn't have a face which on one hand makes the conflict seem less interesting but on the other hand it makes the situation seem more desperate than it was in ME1. For the records I like the story of Mass Effect 1 better. The only thing ME2 has on ME1 storywise (in my opinion) is better character development, and a much smoother user interface, and a less glitchy engine. (Though I still consider the graphics in ME1 to be better looking, just buggier in general).

[Highdragonslayer]

Yes we did know that they were enslaved and indoctrinated but we always assumed that they just died off when the reapers were done their buisness. Now that we know what they do with the organic races it gives us a larger insentive of why they have to be stopped, because being enslaved forever by your murderers, is much worse than getting killed by them.

[Vaenier]

Gethforceone wrote...

Vaenier wrote...
Halo plot > ME2 plot...

HECK no.

ME1 plot > Halo plot > ME2 plot?

[spacehamsterZH]

I actually thought finding out who the Collectors really are was one of the high points of my first playthrough. It also feeds into the later discovery that the Reapers actually do need organics, and honestly, even if it feels a bit out of synch with what Sovereign says in ME1, it at least hints at a reason for the Reapers' cycle of destruction.



The problem with the Collectors is that they're essentially discarded with no further consequence at the end of ME2. You end up feeling like they didn't really matter and were only the backdrop to Shepard recruiting his Dirty Dozen.

[kraidy1117]

Vaenier wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Vaenier wrote...
Halo plot > ME2 plot...

HECK no.

ME1 plot > Halo plot > ME2 plot?

No, ME2 plot might not have been Biowares best, but it is still better then half the crap out there.

[spacehamsterZH]

This board needs an auto-ban feature for people who make Halo comparisons.

[kraidy1117]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

This board needs an auto-ban feature for people who make Halo comparisons.

Kraid approves +90000000000000000000000000000000

[Gethforceone]

Vaenier wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Vaenier wrote...
Halo plot > ME2 plot...

HECK no.

ME1 plot > Halo plot > ME2 plot?

Still HECK no.