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[FredThePhoenix]

''... An Assassin is just a precise Mercenary.''

So Jacob doesn't like Thane, then he doesn't like Zaeed? Probably doesn't like Kasumi too much either. What's with the hate Jacob? He likes working for Cerberus though, despite the heavy checkered past. Can't figure that guy out...

Should have been Virmired.<_<

[Nostradamoose]

FredThePhoenix wrote...

''... An Assassin is just a precise Mercenary.''

So Jacob doesn't like Thane, then he doesn't like Zaeed? Probably doesn't like Kasumi too much either. What's with the hate Jacob? He likes working for Cerberus though, despite the heavy checkered past. Can't figure that guy out...

Should have been Virmired.<_<

It's simply because Jacob knows about the PRIIIIICE of loyalty...


It is quite heavy... I do believe he's right about that... But somehow I don't know why he doesn't say the same to Zaeed...

[Computron2000]

Jacob is not difficult to understand. He doesn't like them because he doesn't trust their motivations.

Eg. What if lets say Vido offered Thane 10 million credits to turn on Zaeed and Shepard? Or how about Miranda's dad offered to pay Zaeed 10 million credits to stop Miranda and Shepard?

The simplified explaination is that are they who you can trust to not stab you in the back? Remember Jacob doesn't know anything about them other than what's in their files unlike Shepard

Modifié par Computron2000, 13 avril 2010 - 02:51 .

[FredThePhoenix]

Computron2000 wrote...

Jacob is not difficult to understand. He doesn't like them because he doesn't trust their motivations.

Eg. What if lets say Vido offered Thane 10 million credits to turn on Zaeed and Shepard? Or how about Miranda's dad offered to pay Zaeed 10 million credits to stop Miranda and Shepard?

The simplified explaination is that are they who you can trust to not stab you in the back? remember Jacob doesn;t know anything about them other than whats in their files unlike Shepard

I'm not sure about Zaeed myself, but Thane wouldn't turn on Shepard. It's obvious that he's not on the mission to stop the Collectors for money. He's trying to do some good in the galaxy before he dies. I seriously thought Jacob was an ass to be so rude with Thane.

[Skilled Seeker]

Nostradamoose wrote...

FredThePhoenix wrote...

''... An Assassin is just a precise Mercenary.''

So Jacob doesn't like Thane, then he doesn't like Zaeed? Probably doesn't like Kasumi too much either. What's with the hate Jacob? He likes working for Cerberus though, despite the heavy checkered past. Can't figure that guy out...

Should have been Virmired.<_<

It's simply because Jacob knows about the PRIIIIICE of loyalty...


It is quite heavy... I do believe he's right about that... But somehow I don't know why he doesn't say the same to Zaeed...

Because he is DLC.

[Skilled Seeker]

FredThePhoenix wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Jacob is not difficult to understand. He doesn't like them because he doesn't trust their motivations.

Eg. What if lets say Vido offered Thane 10 million credits to turn on Zaeed and Shepard? Or how about Miranda's dad offered to pay Zaeed 10 million credits to stop Miranda and Shepard?

The simplified explaination is that are they who you can trust to not stab you in the back? remember Jacob doesn;t know anything about them other than whats in their files unlike Shepard

I'm not sure about Zaeed myself, but Thane wouldn't turn on Shepard. It's obvious that he's not on the mission to stop the Collectors for money. He's trying to do some good in the galaxy before he dies. I seriously thought Jacob was an ass to be so rude with Thane.

Zaeed isn't in it for the money either. He's in it so he can be a big goddamn hero!

[ThePasserby]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

 Zaeed isn't in it for the money either. He's in it so he can be a big goddamn hero!

I'll assume you're just joking, as he said that going on this mission is bad business, but he took it anyway because TIM offered him alot of money.

[Computron2000]

FredThePhoenix wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Jacob is not difficult to understand. He doesn't like them because he doesn't trust their motivations.

Eg. What if lets say Vido offered Thane 10 million credits to turn on Zaeed and Shepard? Or how about Miranda's dad offered to pay Zaeed 10 million credits to stop Miranda and Shepard?

The simplified explaination is that are they who you can trust to not stab you in the back? remember Jacob doesn;t know anything about them other than whats in their files unlike Shepard

I'm not sure about Zaeed myself, but Thane wouldn't turn on Shepard. It's obvious that he's not on the mission to stop the Collectors for money. He's trying to do some good in the galaxy before he dies. I seriously thought Jacob was an ass to be so rude with Thane.

I know and you know but Jacob doesn't. Remember Thane keeps to himself in his little room. The only one he talks to and explains about whats he's trying to do before he dies is to Shepard. To Jacob, Thane is just a hired gun.

[DPSSOC]

Nostradamoose wrote...

FredThePhoenix wrote...

''... An Assassin is just a precise Mercenary.''

So Jacob doesn't like Thane, then he doesn't like Zaeed? Probably doesn't like Kasumi too much either. What's with the hate Jacob? He likes working for Cerberus though, despite the heavy checkered past. Can't figure that guy out...

Should have been Virmired.<_<

It's simply because Jacob knows about the PRIIIIICE of loyalty...


It is quite heavy... I do believe he's right about that... But somehow I don't know why he doesn't say the same to Zaeed...

Because Jacob lacks the balls to say something like that to Zaeed's face?  Thane is skilled I'll give him that but frog boy in a long coat isn't exactly what I'd call intimidating.

[Heart Collector]

justinnstuff wrote...

I don't know if Thane would turn, he does his missions on personal motivation more than just money. He's doing the suicide mission gratis, remember? Zaeed on the other hand may turn if the price is right.

I don't think Zaeed would turn before the suicide mission is over in the hypothetical scenario that he was offered a huge amount to kill Shep. It's possible he wasn't payed the full amount up front. After the suicide mission, provided they survive, is a different matter.

[CC-Tron]

DPSSOC wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

FredThePhoenix wrote...

''... An Assassin is just a precise Mercenary.''

So Jacob doesn't like Thane, then he doesn't like Zaeed? Probably doesn't like Kasumi too much either. What's with the hate Jacob? He likes working for Cerberus though, despite the heavy checkered past. Can't figure that guy out...

Should have been Virmired.<_<

It's simply because Jacob knows about the PRIIIIICE of loyalty...


It is quite heavy... I do believe he's right about that... But somehow I don't know why he doesn't say the same to Zaeed...

Because Jacob lacks the balls to say something like that to Zaeed's face?  Thane is skilled I'll give him that but frog boy in a long coat isn't exactly what I'd call intimidating.

There is no reason for Jacob to fear Zaeed any more than Thane.

[Skilled Seeker]

ThePasserby wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

 Zaeed isn't in it for the money either. He's in it so he can be a big goddamn hero!

I'll assume you're just joking, as he said that going on this mission is bad business, but he took it anyway because TIM offered him alot of money.

Zaeed actually develops more than any other squadmate but you must take him with you on your missions to see it happen. It starts out as all about the money but bond with him and afterwards he sees the bigger picture and is as loyal as anyone else. So no I'm not joking.  My Shepard trusts Zaeed with his life and he hasn't let me down.

[Heart Collector]

I think it's just that Zaeed was not fully integrated into the game. Like Kasumi, he didn't have a proper "recruitment" mission, which would trigger a welcoming cutscene.

[enormousmoonboots]

It really makes me facepalm that Jacob resents Thane for being paid to do morally questionable things, while TIM pays him to do morally questionable things.

[Speakeasy13]

CC-Tron wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

FredThePhoenix wrote...

''... An Assassin is just a precise Mercenary.''

So Jacob doesn't like Thane, then he doesn't like Zaeed? Probably doesn't like Kasumi too much either. What's with the hate Jacob? He likes working for Cerberus though, despite the heavy checkered past. Can't figure that guy out...

Should have been Virmired.<_<

It's simply because Jacob knows about the PRIIIIICE of loyalty...


It is quite heavy... I do believe he's right about that... But somehow I don't know why he doesn't say the same to Zaeed...

Because Jacob lacks the balls to say something like that to Zaeed's face?  Thane is skilled I'll give him that but frog boy in a long coat isn't exactly what I'd call intimidating.

There is no reason for Jacob to fear Zaeed any more than Thane.

I disagree. Zaeed's obviously the last guy you want to pick a fight with. Being the two-faced two-shoes that is Jacob, he wouldn't want to bite off more than he could chew.

Thane looks harmless. And that made him an easy target to Jacob's snide insinuation. Same goes for Tali and Legion.

[KOKitten]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Zaeed actually develops more than any other squadmate but you must take him with you on your missions to see it happen. It starts out as all about the money but bond with him and afterwards he sees the bigger picture and is as loyal as anyone else. So no I'm not joking.  My Shepard trusts Zaeed with his life and he hasn't let me down.

This.

On Samara's recruitment, Zaeed speaks disgustedly about Pitne For because "That guy will turn on a friend just for the money."  Also on Illium he remarks that corporate security is a hell of a job but he still wouldn't take it because killing on salary is too easy.  He has to work for every job which makes him care about it otherwise it's just another name on a piece of paper.

But, back to the OP, I agree that Jacob was pretty hypocritical when he made that statement about Thane.  The first time I heard it I wished that there was an option to say to him, "Hey Jacob.  You're being paid by a private company to be a soldier.  That's kind of a mercenary, isn't it?"

[FredThePhoenix]

- Welcoming scene -

Zaeed Massani: ''Da's a gohdam ship ya got there Shepahd...''

Shepard Paragon choice: ''Glad to have you on the team, Zaeed.''
Shepard Neutral choice: ''I should go.''
Shepard Renegade choice: ''Let's go shoot things.''

Jacob: ''I don't like mercenaries. Don't know 'bout you Zaeed, but I'm loyal to more than my next paycheck.''

Zaeed: ''Nobody said you could talk jackass.''

Jacob: ''...''

Shepard Paragon choice: ''Keep it civil people.'' *Smiles like an idiot*
Shepard Neutral choice: ''I really should go.'' *Shrugs*
Shepard Renegade choice: ''PWNED.'' *LOLING*

Modifié par FredThePhoenix, 13 avril 2010 - 03:40 .

[KOKitten]

That would be hilarious!

[Masticetobbacco]

Jacob is afraid of Zaeed, but thinks he can push Thane around cuz hes a reptile lolol

[Speakeasy13]

FredThePhoenix wrote...

- Welcoming scene -

Zaeed Massani: ''Da's a gohdam ship ya got there Shepahd...''

Shepard Paragon choice: ''Glad to have you on the team, Zaeed.''
Shepard Neutral choice: ''I should go.''
Shepard Renegade choice: ''Let's go shoot things.''

Jacob: ''I don't like mercenaries. Don't know 'bout you Zaeed, but I'm loyal to more than my next paycheck.''

Zaeed: ''Nobody said you could talk jackass.''

Jacob: ''...''

Shepard Paragon choice: ''Keep it civil people.'' *Smiles like an idiot*
Shepard Neutral choice: ''I really should go.'' *Shrugs*
Shepard Renegade choice: ''PWNED.'' *LOLING*

LOL'd. But Zaeed's actually quite collected and not confrontational at all. So he's more likely to say something sacarstic and witty:

Jacob: ''I don't like mercenaries. Don't know 'bout you Zaeed, but I'm loyal to more than my next paycheck.''
Zaeed: "Say it again punk, and we'll see if you'd live long enough to collect it.''
Jacob: ''...''

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 13 avril 2010 - 03:49 .

[LyudmilaKatzen]

Hah I'd love that convo in the game

Jacob does know that Thane is alone for the mission for free...Shepard mentions it in the conference room thing/whatever it is when you first bring Thane aboard. But yeah he probably doesn't know anything about Thane's history and maybe doesn't even know Thane is dying. Thane doesn't seem like the sort to confide in everyone immediately and Jacob was already semi-hostile to him.

I know this thread is more about Jacob, but I did Zaeed's loyalty mission last night and I am again impressed with his character. This time, unlike my first playthrough, I saved all the workers and so Vido got away. Even though Zaeed was pissed Vido escaped and thus did not become loyal, he had definite respect for Shepard after that. He said something like "You've got a hell of a set Shepard, maybe you can actually pull this mission off" (even better because I'm playing as FemShep ). He still said he was only going to do what he was paid for and no more and blamed Shep for letting his old buddy get away, but he really respected her for standing up to him and doing what she thought was the right thing.

[Speakeasy13]

LyudmilaKatzen wrote...

Hah I'd love that convo in the game

Jacob does know that Thane is alone for the mission for free...Shepard mentions it in the conference room thing/whatever it is when you first bring Thane aboard. But yeah he probably doesn't know anything about Thane's history and maybe doesn't even know Thane is dying. Thane doesn't seem like the sort to confide in everyone immediately and Jacob was already semi-hostile to him.

I know this thread is more about Jacob, but I did Zaeed's loyalty mission last night and I am again impressed with his character. This time, unlike my first playthrough, I saved all the workers and so Vido got away. Even though Zaeed was pissed Vido escaped and thus did not become loyal, he had definite respect for Shepard after that. He said something like "You've got a hell of a set Shepard, maybe you can actually pull this mission off" (even better because I'm playing as FemShep ). He still said he was only going to do what he was paid for and no more and blamed Shep for letting his old buddy get away, but he really respected her for standing up to him and doing what she thought was the right thing.

What a shame though. You should've tried to charm him into becoming loyal. The cutscene and dialogue really showecased what an incredible character Zaeed can be, when he chooses to be.

[LyudmilaKatzen]

I've been a little more renegade than usual on this playthrough, doing stuff like shoving that mercenary out of the window, so I have missed out on a few charm opportunities I'll definitely be doing another playthrough soon and I'll try it then.

[ThePasserby]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Zaeed actually develops more than any other squadmate but you must take him with you on your missions to see it happen. It starts out as all about the money but bond with him and afterwards he sees the bigger picture and is as loyal as anyone else. So no I'm not joking.  My Shepard trusts Zaeed with his life and he hasn't let me down.

The things Zaeed says on the Normandy, in the cities or during missions, are the same whether you have his loyalty or not. In Illium, he says he dislikes the regular paychecks of the corporate jobs whether he is loyal or not, likewise for all the other things he says. And none of the things he says points to any shred of altruism. That doesn't mean he is evil, just that he's a professional soldier. So, no, I'd say there is nothing to show that he "develops" from being a mercenary working for a paycheck to someone with altruistic motives regarding the suicide mission.