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[SLPr0]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Didn't David Gaider post something some time ago stating that people who thought Morrigan's affection was all a ruse were off the mark - I vaguely recall something along those lines.

We're talking about Gaider here, and if he used the term "off the mark" its as vague as the language plainly is. Gaiders explanations in regards to theorycrafting and people pointing out plot holes, in the past has turned up mixed results.

There are things hes not going to tell us, hes not telling us Morrigan doesn't have an ulterior motive here, hes just saying that her affection for the player is not, by design, false. And that I would agree with, given the way she conducts herself she is obviously conflicted by what her ultimate goal is, and her feelings that have developed in regards to the Warden.

That still doesn't mean she doesn't have a more important motive that completely outweighs her feelings, even should those feelings be true "love" for the Warden, because quite obviously she does....otherwise, with the death of Flemeth, and the threat of being "possessed" removed, why not toss that motive aside? Stay with her love, raise the child with him.

Its because she cannot. Its because doing so would expose her motives and perhaps cause the Warden to hate her, or to try to stop her.

Morrigan's departure, especially as a love interest, is a classic case of her having a conflict of purpose, in the birth of the old-god child, that would preclude the inclusion of the Warden in it. She must leave so what you have between each other is not eventually ruined by what must be....a classic "you're too good for me, you deserve better than me" goodbye...which truly has deeper meaning that the usual use of said excuse.

The Warden cannot follow her, the Warden cannot go with her...because on doing so, it will destroy everything they had together once the Warden is fully aware of the ultimate motive of the birth of the old-god child.

[Tirigon]

You kill Flemeth simply because

1) it´s a challenge,

2) Why not and

3) Hey? Killing idiots because other idiots say so? Isn´t that what this game is all about?!

[Sarah1281]

Don't forget:



4) As Grey Wardens during a Blight we need dragon-killing practice.

[KnightofPhoenix]

7) I don't like people saving my ass.

[Herr Uhl]

8) Her hair is dreadful.

[Brockololly]

9.) People that speak in riddles and nonsensical gibberish speak deserve a sword upside their dragon shape-changing head.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 avril 2010 - 08:34 .

[Kerendar]

SLPr0 wrote...

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There are much deeper things going on here than that. Plus Flemeth was old at the time of Maric's first meeting with her, how come she had not taken possession of Morrigan previous to the hero's entry to the story? She would have to have been decrepitly ancient by that point in the story, given she was "old" in the time of her first meeting with Maric.

Wouldn't it have been more simply expediant for an "evil" Flemeth to have possessed Morrigan previous to your meeting and been Morrigan throughout the adventure, if her true intents were as shallow as to simply let Morrigan "age" like cheese or wine til she felt Morrigan was "ripe" to be possessed?

These are unanswered questions. But still questions to ponder when considering the Flemeth/Morrigan connection to the overarching storyline of DA.

You assume that Flemeth ages at the same rate as humans. Or she may have had another daughter, one Maric didnt meet. Who was possessed some time after he left. Or maybe she wasnt even old at the time but only made Maric & Loghain believe she was old - after all an old witch of the wilds leaves a different impression than a mage in here thierties who might as well be just an apostate hiding in the woods who happened to have a vision.

Also, Flemeth does not need to be evil to aim at possessing Morrigan and consuming the Old Gods soul. If possessing a "daughter" is the only way she can survive than she does what she feels she must. It may not be what other people consider "good" and "right" but it maybe be that to her.
Qunaris consider it right to put leashes on mages. The Chantry considers it right to try to exterminate the Imperial Chantry. Does that make them evil? For some, certainly. Does it make them evil in the eyes of the faithful folk of most of Thedas? Certainly not.

Why wait? Well, do you know what she's been doing between your departure and your return? Maybe she had some unfinished business. Maybe she was preparing the ritual for possessing Morrigan. Maybe Morrigan needed to be far away for the ritual to take place.
Maybe you were the one who finished it by having Morrigan put on the Robes of Possession. Maybe Morrigan IS Flemeth AFTER that but with all the knowledge the original Morrigan had, so you will never even suspect.

I love speculation so I'll just go and spin a wild tale here, dont take it too seriously, really:

Remember Gaxkang. Maybe those "eyes who watch you from a high vantage" he mentioned are in fact Flemeth's, waiting for the Old God child to be born and shielding you from harm as she did since Ostagar untill you did what was your purpose, be it knocking up Morrigan or persuading Alistair to do so. He even mentions the "signal at Ishal".
He is an old (he spent a long time in the mortal world that is) and powerful demon. She is older and more powerful. He knows this, he knows he will die, but pride(?) dictates that he fights you the best he can, refusing to be a foot note on another demon's (flemeth's) plan.
/wild tale off ^^

Summary of what I wanted to say: "Who knows :lol:"

Modifié par Kerendar, 14 avril 2010 - 09:43 .

[Gill Kaiser]

I always figured that the spirit that merged with Flemeth to form the Witch of the Wilds was the Spirit of the Korcari Wilds marsh. If the Brecilian Forest can have a spirit personification, why not the marsh?

I also think she's Chaotic Neutral.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

7) I don't like people saving my ass.

I know! It totally makes you look bad.

[GardenSnake]

For my first playthrough I romanced Morrigan to about halfway through the game but then the roadblock of it's either me or Leliana came up. I chose Leliana because my human noble is a goodie-twoshoes and because french women (or Orlesian women in this case) just have that certain je ne sais quoi?  I quickly after got Morrigan to be the warden's bffaeae. 

When Riordan told me Alistair or my warden were dead meat (the whole I'll do it guys don't worry speech he gave us didn't calm me down because I knew he'd die before the archdemon, it was obvious) I thought, I don't want Alistair to die! He's funny, he believes in doing the right thing, has the same hairstyle as my warden, and is my broski. After that I thought, well I just spent 60 hours of my life developing and leveling up my warden so he'd be just the way I wanted him to be, I don't want him to die! **** that! So I walk back to my room, regretting the fact that I'm probably going to sacrifice myself seeing as the fact that I'm playing a 'good' character and Alistair is king. I walk in the room, Morrigan is standing there and after the whole dialouge happens, I start jumping for joy. Alistair and I live and I get to **** Morrigan one last time?  What's not to like! Yes, the whole demon god child fish monster thing sounds dangerous, and you being a shifty pesemistic witch in possetion of it is extremely unsettling.... and you want to run away with it..... but you've changed so much since I first met you! Everything will work out, and if it doesn't well I'll just set everything straight in the sequal. Done.

Oh and your post was great until you made that KOTOR 2 reference. Man up dude! I actually like KOTOR 2 more than KOTOR 1, plot holes and all. Suck it up.

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

7) I don't like people saving my ass.

I do so love your sarcasm........

It was a real bad thing to do, though. I mean, did you count the archers in the cutscene? Give me that few in real game and I have them for breakfast. Compared to what you fight sometimes (Denerim:innocent:...) that few are a freaking cakewalk. No reason to die there.