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[Cuddlezarro]

How can you cut down such a delicate flower? ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

as easily as I decapitated Leliena and fed Wynne to my dog

[OldMan91]

as easily as I decapitated Leliena

Nuuuuuuuu!

I don't hate Isolde. She does stupid
and selfish things, but for a good reason- an unreasonable love for her
only child. Can't hate a person like that.

Sure you can, if you're one of the victims.

Modifié par OldMan91, 13 avril 2010 - 09:37 .

[Addai]

OldMan91 wrote...

I don't hate Isolde. She does stupid
and selfish things, but for a good reason- an unreasonable love for her
only child. Can't hate a person like that.

Sure you can, if you're one of the victims.

I'm not, so I can't.  Loghain is just as responsible, with a far shadier motivation.

The only thing I could hate Isolde for is how she treated another woman's child- Alistair.  And judging by her reaction to him, she hasn't ever come to regret it.

[krasnoarmeets]

With my evil mage I was hoping to kill off Isolde, Connor and Eamon all at once, but the game wouldn't let me. It was extremely disappointing. I was hoping to leave Teagan in charge. So, I had to settle for using Isolde for the blood magic ritual and trading in Connor's soul for some goodies.

On another note, Isolde's attitude really got up my CEF assassin's nose, so she took great delight in pointing out Isolde's culpability in the whole affair and comparing her to Jowan.
Rather satisfying considering the 'impertinent' comment she made...

Addai67 wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

I don't hate Isolde. She does stupid
and selfish things, but for a good reason- an unreasonable love for her
only child. Can't hate a person like that.

Sure you can, if you're one of the victims.

I'm not, so I can't.  Loghain is just as responsible, with a far shadier motivation.

The
only thing I could hate Isolde for is how she treated another woman's
child- Alistair.  And judging by her reaction to him, she hasn't ever
come to regret it.

The fact that she doesn't give a
crap about all the people in Redcliffe kinda stuck in my craw. She
treats everyone except her immediate family with cold indifference.
Alistair was a threat, she likely thought he was Eamon's son rather
than Maric's as is suggested in the dialogue.

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 13 avril 2010 - 10:51 .

[Serissia]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

With my evil mage I was hoping to kill off Isolde, Connor and Eamon all at once, but the game wouldn't let me. It was extremely disappointing. I was hoping to leave Teagan in charge. So, I had to settle for using Isolde for the blood magic ritual and trading in Connor's soul for some goodies.

On another note, Isolde's attitude really got up my CEF assassin's nose, so she took great delight in pointing out Isolde's culpability in the whole affair and comparing her to Jowan.
Rather satisfying considering the 'impertinent' comment she made...

Is it actually possible to kill Eamon?!

[C9316]

Axekix wrote...

I think she's secksy.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate that b**** she is so freaking annoying she starts the whole mess and then she tries blaming it on Jowan as if he doesn't have enough on his plate grr!!!!! you know what if I make another character I'ma gonna kill connor what better punishment for pure failage is there rather than making her live knowing that her stupid actions caused the death of her chiled Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Sarah1281]

She is directly responsible for everything that happens at Redcliffe, from the disposition of the knights, to Eamon being poisoned, and to Connor dealing with demons and going unchecked long enough for a lot of people to die.

Directly responsible? At most it's indirectly because she trusted Loghain when he sent Jowan. Loghain was someone that Eamon admired and, at least to a certain extent, trusted before this whole mess started and if Isolde wasn't completely up-to-date about the current political climate and the scandal about Ostagar she'd have no reason to doubt him. Though I do wonder how Loghain heard about Connor if Eamon didn't know.



And if Isolde hadn't trusted Jowan and found a more reliable mage, you can bet Loghain wouldn't have given up his scheme to poison Eamon there and would have found way to get to the staff. Thus, the knights would still have had to have been dispatched looking for a cure. Since Isolde couldn't have known that Connor was a mage for long or else she wouldn't have landed Jowan as an instructor, there's every chance that even if she wanted to do the 'right' thing regarding that she would have had to have waited until after the civil war, like Eamon eventually does.

[Reaverwind]

Urshakk wrote...

So I'm at Redcliffe in my current playthrough, and everytime I'm at this part of the game I just want to punt dwarves and slam my head against a car door. Her voice drives me crazy, "Teaaaaagaaaaan! You must help me save Connor!" She is the one who started this whole mess at Redcliffe and she tries to cover it up and pretend like she didn't know any better.

Usually I go the mages route and save both Isolde and Connor but this time I had to go a different path. I went upstairs and gave her an elbow to the face (and boy that was satisfying! )

So does anyone else hate her too? I really can't stand her anymore, I used to be able to grin and bear through her dialogue but now I just skip it.

EDIT: Maybe hate is too strong of a word for it, more like I really really dislike her. 

Her voice does grate - too bad you can't use that against the Arch-demon. I usually either accept Jowan's help or give her the slapdown prior to killing Connor.

[soignee]

My Brosca had mummy issue, so baibai Isolde. It helped tipped the edge to get her executed.

My Mahariel just killed her kid, and my Aeducan went to the Tower, as Alistair made her.

[Meliorist13]

Ahhh, Isolde,



A money hungry, status seeking, marrying for wealth Orlesian prostitute. Yes she loves her son, but what mother does not love her child? She is so hot for Teagan she has to change her undies whenever he is within fifty yards of her. I can't stand her, she is responsible for that whole mess, and I wouldn't put it past her to have helped plant that 'poison Eamon" thought in Loghain's head. What better way to improve HER station and that is all she is interested in. I just wonder where she and Teagan had their little trysts?

[Agent_Dark_]

i'd sex her

[R-F]

well my first run i had no idea you could spare them both so i just went into the fade with my mage pc and dealt with the demon. because i hate the circle tower so much (see lost in dreams) i usually leave it to the end so on my second play through i killed her again. i decided to shake things up this time because im using a chick warden and didn't want to fight with Alistair. but usually i don't feel bad about sacrificing her, she was willing and it really was the best way.

[Sarah1281]

A money hungry, status seeking, marrying for wealth Orlesian prostitute.

Um, what? Her family was hardly destitute and they did, in fact, occupy Redcliffe during the occupation. She was, perhaps, more romantic than was good for her by getting involved with Eamon but presumably she'd have a very nice life in Orlais without having to deal with people hating her for her family and nationality.

Yes she loves her son, but what mother does not love her child?

In this game alone? There's a few.

She is so hot for Teagan she has to change her undies whenever he is within fifty yards of her. I can't stand her, she is responsible for that whole mess, and I wouldn't put it past her to have helped plant that 'poison Eamon" thought in Loghain's head.

We really do have no proof that they were involved. Teagan doesn't even seem to like her half the time and Isolde's just desperate for someone to reason with Connor. Why would she want her husband poisoned then waste all Redcliffe's resources searching for the Urn?



There's plenty of reasons to hate her without blatantly making things up, you know.

[Meliorist13]

OH I left out,



In my ongoing play through, I made her kill the little possessed urchin so she'd have to live with it the rest of her miserable life. Sacrificing Isolde is the easy way out for her.

[krasnoarmeets]

Serissia wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

With my evil mage I was hoping to kill off Isolde, Connor and Eamon all at once, but the game wouldn't let me. It was extremely disappointing. I was hoping to leave Teagan in charge. So, I had to settle for using Isolde for the blood magic ritual and trading in Connor's soul for some goodies.

On another note, Isolde's attitude really got up my CEF assassin's nose, so she took great delight in pointing out Isolde's culpability in the whole affair and comparing her to Jowan.
Rather satisfying considering the 'impertinent' comment she made...

Is it actually possible to kill Eamon?!

No, unfortunately... though I hoped by desecrating the urn of sacred ashes it would be possible to not heal him. However, it always makes you take a pinch prior to desecration which is highly disappointing. Teagan would be more easy to manipulate than Eamon.

Meliorist13 wrote...

Ahhh, Isolde,

A money
hungry, status seeking, marrying for wealth Orlesian prostitute. Yes
she loves her son, but what mother does not love her child? She is so
hot for Teagan she has to change her undies whenever he is within fifty
yards of her. I can't stand her, she is responsible for that whole
mess, and I wouldn't put it past her to have helped plant that 'poison
Eamon" thought in Loghain's head. What better way to improve HER
station and that is all she is interested in. I just wonder where she
and Teagan had their little trysts?

Considering the way she behaves towards Teagan, it does seem a feasible scenario. The theory certainly seems plausible to me, at least.

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 13 avril 2010 - 11:45 .

[Reaverwind]

Meliorist13 wrote...

OH I left out,

In my ongoing play through, I made her kill the little possessed urchin so she'd have to live with it the rest of her miserable life. Sacrificing Isolde is the easy way out for her.

I like the way you think.

[Meliorist13]

Sarah1281 wrote...

A money hungry, status seeking, marrying for wealth Orlesian prostitute.

Um, what? Her family was hardly destitute and they did, in fact, occupy Redcliffe during the occupation. She was, perhaps, more romantic than was good for her by getting involved with Eamon but presumably she'd have a very nice life in Orlais without having to deal with people hating her for her family and nationality.


I know that, that statement is just my opinion of her.  Seems to me she's also the type that would send the Chevaliers after your sister if you did something to ****** her off.

Yes she loves her son, but what mother does not love her child?

In this game alone? There's a few.


I can't deny that, there is always exceptions to the rule.


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She is so hot for Teagan she has to change her undies whenever he is within fifty yards of her. I can't stand her, she is responsible for that whole mess, and I wouldn't put it past her to have helped plant that 'poison Eamon" thought in Loghain's head.
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We really do have no proof that they were involved. Teagan doesn't even seem to like her half the time and Isolde's just desperate for someone to reason with Connor. Why would she want her husband poisoned then waste all Redcliffe's resources searching for the Urn?  There's plenty of reasons to hate her without blatantly making things up, you know.

No there is no proof that they were involved, but I sense an implication there.  I could state several ideas on why she would want to poison Eamon but it is just possibilities.  If she did, she could make an active attempt to search for the Urn to cover her tracks.  I never said she DID do it, I just said that I wouldn't put it past her.

[krasnoarmeets]

Reaverwind wrote...

Meliorist13 wrote...

OH I left out,

In my ongoing play through, I made her kill the little possessed urchin so she'd have to live with it the rest of her miserable life. Sacrificing Isolde is the easy way out for her.

I like the way you think.

Yes, it does seem rather just, does it not?

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I actually thought her and Teagan had a relationship before I knew she was married to Eamon. I mean isn't Eamon supposed to be younger than Loghain (at least from what I hear) because he looks horrible for his age. I would totally be in favor for killing Eamon and allowing Teagan to rule Redcliffe, h*ll make him King of Ferelden.



I think Eamon actually knew about Connor being a mage, but he really didn't want to give Teagan any power.

[Axekix]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I actually thought her and Teagan had a relationship before I knew she was married to Eamon. I mean isn't Eamon supposed to be younger than Loghain (at least from what I hear) because he looks horrible for his age.

Loghain totally dyes his hair.

[Serissia]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I actually thought her and Teagan had a relationship before I knew she was married to Eamon. I mean isn't Eamon supposed to be younger than Loghain (at least from what I hear) because he looks horrible for his age. I would totally be in favor for killing Eamon and allowing Teagan to rule Redcliffe, h*ll make him King of Ferelden.

I think Eamon actually knew about Connor being a mage, but he really didn't want to give Teagan any power.

I believe it says that Eamon is 15 at the beginning of the The Stolen Throne.  So, Maric and Loghain are roughly 5 years older than Eamon.  Personally I think Eamon looks so old because he was poisoned.

Eamon didn't know about Conner being a mage.  Either Jowan or Teagan tells the Warden that raising Conner was left to Isolde (which wasn't uncommon).  Eamon would be handling the political responsibilities of his duty as an Arl while Isolde was responsible for their child. 

[Sarah1281]

Loghain totally dyes his hair.

My theory is that he's just too evil and/or badass to grey.

[CalJones]

His hair always looks so soft and shiny!

I am guessing there should be some elegant greying at the temples but Bioware couldn't be arsed to make him an individual hair model, a la Duncan. Apparently Duncan is the most badass of them all.

[Sarah1281]

CalJones wrote...

His hair always looks so soft and shiny!
I am guessing there should be some elegant greying at the temples but Bioware couldn't be arsed to make him an individual hair model, a la Duncan. Apparently Duncan is the most badass of them all.

 Was there ever any doubt?