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[ellyssa]

Chasseresse wrote...

I used to save both her and Connor, but ever since I discovered there is no disapproval from Alistair for letting her sacrifice herself, she ALWAYS dies.

This is probably covered already, but, 'no disapproval'? There might be various ways in which she can die, but the one time i let her die (Blood Magic), Alistair got quite angry about it at camp and i got -24.

As far as Arlessa Isolde love/hate goes, she's a desperate woman in a desperate situation who's made a stupid decision. She's a noble who, even though has the law to thank for her position in society, thinks she's above it somehow. Should she die as a result? Maybe.

I'm not overly fond of the woman. But i think she's been 'made' well. story-wise, voice-wise, etc. It's unrealistic to think we'd adventure all across the land and everyone we'd meet - on the 'good' side - we'd like.

Just my two coppers, take it for what it is

Modifié par ellyssa, 20 avril 2010 - 08:48 .

[Urshakk]

ellyssa wrote...
 But i think she's been 'made' well. story-wise

Definately, otherwise nobody would talk about her and make a thread about it right?

voice-wise

This is all personal opinion though, some people love it and some people hate it.

[CalJones]

ellysa - there's one conversation option which negates all Alistair disapproval. It's hard to say whether it's intended or (more likely) an oversight on the part of Bioware, but if you selection the option "I thought it turned out quite well, didn't you?" then Alistair will agree, give you +6 (or +7, can't remember) approval and thank you for saving the Arl's family.

I tend to think this is a bug but it's useful to know if you intend to sacrifice Isolde but don't want to lose approval with Al.

[Sarah1281]

CalJones wrote...

ellysa - there's one conversation option which negates all Alistair disapproval. It's hard to say whether it's intended or (more likely) an oversight on the part of Bioware, but if you selection the option "I thought it turned out quite well, didn't you?" then Alistair will agree, give you +6 (or +7, can't remember) approval and thank you for saving the Arl's family.
I tend to think this is a bug but it's useful to know if you intend to sacrifice Isolde but don't want to lose approval with Al.

That sounds like a bug. If anything, you being so cheerful that you just used blood magic to kill the desperate mother of an abomination and no doubt leaving Connor guilt-ridden and the Arl devastated should lose you even more approval.

[Meliorist13]

We need "ar" - LESS - AH, Isolde!!!

Burn Her!  Burrrrn....."She's got a wart on her"  She's a (b)Witch!  Burn Her!

[Sarah1281]

Well, she is the mother of a mage. Does that count?

[Urshakk]

Meliorist13 wrote...

We need "ar" - LESS - AH, Isolde!!!

Burn Her!  Burrrrn....."She's got a wart on her"  She's a (b)Witch!  Burn Her!

lol nice play on words.

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, she is the mother of a mage. Does that count?

Sorta?

[Reaverwind]

Urshakk wrote...

*goes back to camp*
*waits till Morrigan is asleep*
*steals her clothes*
*goes back to Redcliffe, makes Isolde put them on*

PC: Let's go for a stroll shall we?
Isolde: Um...ok?

*they reach the town square*

Everyone: Witch! Witch! Burn her!
Isolde: WHAT!? I..... ahhhhhhhh!

*tries to run away with all the townspeople chasing her*

PC: Well, looks like my job is done here

EDIT: oops, finger slipped to enter button before I finished

I like this one. I'd even supply torches and pitchforks.

[rak72]

Reaverwind wrote...

Urshakk wrote...

*goes back to camp*
*waits till Morrigan is asleep*
*steals her clothes*
*goes back to Redcliffe, makes Isolde put them on*

PC: Let's go for a stroll shall we?
Isolde: Um...ok?

*they reach the town square*

Everyone: Witch! Witch! Burn her!
Isolde: WHAT!? I..... ahhhhhhhh!

*tries to run away with all the townspeople chasing her*

PC: Well, looks like my job is done here

EDIT: oops, finger slipped to enter button before I finished

I like this one. I'd even supply torches and pitchforks.

Don't  forget all of that lamp oil thats in the general store

[Urshakk]

Reaverwind wrote...
I like this one. I'd even supply torches and pitchforks.

Indeed. *insert devious laugh here*

rak72 wrote...
Don't  forget all of that lamp oil thats in the general store

Ohhhhhh, forgot about it, even better.

[homedog 100000]

I hate her.

[sylvanaerie]

Urshakk wrote...

*goes back to camp*
*waits till Morrigan is asleep*
*steals her clothes*
*goes back to Redcliffe, makes Isolde put them on*

PC: Let's go for a stroll shall we?
Isolde: Um...ok?

*they reach the town square*

Everyone: Witch! Witch! Burn her!
Isolde: WHAT!? I..... ahhhhhhhh!

*tries to run away with all the townspeople chasing her*

PC: Well, looks like my job is done here

EDIT: oops, finger slipped to enter button before I finished

Don't forget we have to add the nose...and we should have a set of scales nearby...and a duck

[krasnoarmeets]

Lol. The Monty Python and the Holy Grail witch test...

[Urshakk]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Don't forget we have to add the nose...and we should have a set of scales nearby...and a duck

EDIT: lmfao.... ok had to get same image from different place

Modifié par Urshakk, 21 avril 2010 - 05:09 .

[C9316]

Urshakk wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
Don't forget we have to add the nose...and we should have a set of scales nearby...and a duck

EDIT: lmfao.... ok had to get same image from different place

*Tries so hard to imagine Isolde in this scenario then rolls over laughing*
if only they had torches to burn her

[Urshakk]

C9316 wrote...
*Tries so hard to imagine Isolde in this scenario then rolls over laughing*
if only they had torches to burn her

Glad I could amuse.  One of my favorite scenes of the movie btw.

[CalJones]

Loghain has to take the blame for the poisoning, but Isolde made it possible for him to insinuate Jowan into her household by keeping Connor's magic a secret. Had she let him go to the Circle, then Loghain would have had to find another way of putting Eamon out of action...or not put him out of action at all.

[master-fluff]

CalJones wrote...

Loghain has to take the blame for the poisoning, but Isolde made it possible for him to insinuate Jowan into her household by keeping Connor's magic a secret. Had she let him go to the Circle, then Loghain would have had to find another way of putting Eamon out of action...or not put him out of action at all.

Isolde needed a competant mage and Loghain could have got one via the Mage's Collective.  Her need was just a convienient door opener for Loghain who's sole motivation was to compromise Eamon.  As such, Loghain needed someone who was completely under his direction so he chose to intercept the templers and use a captured but unproven, young maleficar.  Loghain didn't think this through (seems to be a theme of his). 

Both Isolde and Loghain are to blame.  She provided the opportunity, he provided the loose cannon.

[C9316]

percentage of blame/stupidity in the redcliffe quest

Loghain:1%

Isolde:99.999999999999999999999%

stupid woman shouldn't have kept connors magic a secret!!!! either way demons are naturally attracted to mages what did she honestly think would happen? Loghain of course played a part but he just played on isolde constant and growing stupidity.

[Sarah1281]

I don't know. Had she managed to find a competent instructor and Eamon hadn't been poisoned before Connor knew enough not to make a deal with a demon it might have turned out okay. Surely one mage whose sole focus is on Connor wouldn't fare any worse than the handful of mages who look in on the apprentices occassionally at the Circle Tower.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I hate isolde her voice is like nails on a chalk board on my ears. Why i save her and her son everytime is because i cant kill a mother out of annoyance im just to kind hearted to do so. I might be a good guy but that doesn't mean i have to like it. I hate her and i dont wana see her in the next one. But im glad her and her son are ok.

[C9316]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

I hate isolde her voice is like nails on a chalk board on my ears. Why i save her and her son everytime is because i cant kill a mother out of annoyance im just to kind hearted to do so. I might be a good guy but that doesn't mean i have to like it. I hate her and i dont wana see her in the next one. But im glad her and her son are ok.

personally I'm mad you can't kill them both

[HoonDing]

It was disappointing how the Warden knocked her out before gutting her demon spawn. I wanted to force her, who was responsible for the entire ****storm, to watch.

[Sarah1281]

virumor wrote...

It was disappointing how the Warden knocked her out before gutting her demon spawn. I wanted to force her, who was responsible for the entire ****storm, to watch.

You only knock her out if you don't let her kill him herself. If you're trying to increase her pain, just go that route.