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[jase1976]

I really enjoyed Origins, and I'm probably going to start a second play through. I have a limited budget and I was wondering if it is worth it to get Awakenings (kind of expensive for an expansion). I'm mostly concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. Should I get it after a patch is released, or is it not worth getting at all?

[Phonantiphon]

I would get it, to be honest. Buy it and make your own mind up. I have it and currently i am finding it very rewarding.

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

[Phonantiphon]

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

Well, it depends upon how long you think you're gonna spend on the playthrough - I'm taking my time and (CURRENTLY) getting my money's worth...

[Maephina]

My advice: No, don't get it until they patch the ****ing bugs through the whole thing that are rampant.

[RurouniSaiya-jin]

bassmunkee wrote...

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

Well, it depends upon how long you think you're gonna spend on the playthrough - I'm taking my time and (CURRENTLY) getting my money's worth...

Personally, I think the length of Awakening is fine for the price. I merely said no because people who determine value by single playthrough length vs. costs often are usually along the lines of thinking that Awakening should be 3/4 the length of Originsto be worth the costs from what I've seen.

[TheMadCat]

bassmunkee wrote...

I would get it, to be honest. Buy it and make your own mind up. I have it and currently i am finding it very rewarding.

I believe the point is asking for others opinion is to get an idea so you don't have to go out and buy just to find out if it's a possible waste of cash, especially for one with limited funding such as the OP.

My adivce would be to wait if you've got limited funding, wait for a patch and a good sale. Why pay $40 for a buggy game when in another 2 or 3 months you can pay $15-$20 for (hopefully) a patched and stable version of the same game. Awakening isn't going anywhere, there isn't some limited supply where if they run out it's gone forever.

[Reaverwind]

jase1976 wrote...

I really enjoyed Origins, and I'm probably going to start a second play through. I have a limited budget and I was wondering if it is worth it to get Awakenings (kind of expensive for an expansion). I'm mostly concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. Should I get it after a patch is released, or is it not worth getting at all?

Worth it at its current price? Definitely not. Save your money.

[silver-crescent]

Wait for a patch, it's definitely not worth it as it is.

[jase1976]

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

I'm not really bothered by length too much (I understand this is an expansion pack and not DA2). I'm much more concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. It's interesting to read what people post; you get everything from "I didn't encounter any bugs at all" to "this game is absolutely unplayable!"...

I can stand a few minor bugs (they are always there), but I do get bothered when I can't finish certain quests or I lose items in my inventory forever...  If I do get the expansion, I'll probably have to be careful about in game choices to avoid major bugs and I'll probably have to save really often (and I'm not sure if I want to tip-toe through a game like that) - especially if I have to pay $40 for it.

[jase1976]

But I want to mention again that I really enjoyed DA Origins and I consider it a very high quality product, so I am surprised that they released Awakenings, and so many people are having problems with it.

[SirVincealot]

Price VS length of play is nonsense - accordingly, ORIGINS should have cost me 3 times the price of BIOSHOCK2. Ridiculous.



AWAKENING, however, is not worth one cent until it's fixed - the product being sold is broken. It's not unplayable which is why it hasn't been "recalled to the factory". But the bug-list extends to every single area of the game world.



It's rather humorously shocking how bad it's fubared, actually.

[TheMadCat]

jase1976 wrote...

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

I'm not really bothered by length too much (I understand this is an expansion pack and not DA2). I'm much more concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. It's interesting to read what people post; you get everything from "I didn't encounter any bugs at all" to "this game is absolutely unplayable!"...

Well, biggest reason for that is you have people trying to get their points across or expressing their opinions by using extremes to emphasize their personal view. If someone is of the belief that BioWare can do no wrong and everything they touch is turned to gold then they'll happily looks past issues or try to play it off as not important. The same for people upset at BioWare for not doing things their way or excluding things they wanted in, all of a sudden a little, almost unnoticeable glitch is game breaker. 

You want a clear idea on what the games stability is like check the tech forums here and on various other sites. Keep an eye out and see how frequent reports are for particular bugs, the more you see it the more likely it'll pop up in your game. That's what I've done and from what I've seen it does seem like a pretty buggy product. Certainly not unplayable but if you end up on the bad end of the spectrum you may find it difficult to enjoy. Wouldn't really use this particular forum as a gauge though, like I said there is more illusion than fact being spread from both sides.

[Taradil]

I found a little bugs yes. But nothing that made the game really unplayable, the crashes were annyoing thou. I would say that the bugs are the least of the games problem. If you liked DA:O's fights for the planning and tactics use, you'll be dissapointed, Awakening is to easy. I think I maybe died three times during my playthrough. The story, characters and new spells are fantastic however, so are many of the new locations. I found it to be worth the money. Just don't expect a new masterpice.

[jase1976]

Taradil wrote...

I found a little bugs yes. But nothing that made the game really unplayable, the crashes were annyoing thou. I would say that the bugs are the least of the games problem. If you liked DA:O's fights for the planning and tactics use, you'll be dissapointed, Awakening is to easy. I think I maybe died three times during my playthrough. The story, characters and new spells are fantastic however, so are many of the new locations. I found it to be worth the money. Just don't expect a new masterpice.

Quick question for ya,

How often did you experience crashes, and do you experience more crashes now with Origins (assuming you have gone back and played for a little bit) after installing Awakenings?

thanks

[Taradil]

jase1976 wrote...

Taradil wrote...

I found a little bugs yes. But nothing that made the game really unplayable, the crashes were annyoing thou. I would say that the bugs are the least of the games problem. If you liked DA:O's fights for the planning and tactics use, you'll be dissapointed, Awakening is to easy. I think I maybe died three times during my playthrough. The story, characters and new spells are fantastic however, so are many of the new locations. I found it to be worth the money. Just don't expect a new masterpice.

Quick question for ya,

How often did you experience crashes, and do you experience more crashes now with Origins (assuming you have gone back and played for a little bit) after installing Awakenings?

thanks

I only experinced about seven crashes maybe, nothing dangeorus but still annyoing if you don't save all the time. And sorry I haven't played original DA:O but I can try it up later today and see if it crash.

[edeheusch]

Just my opinion,

About the crash to desktop (which can really make the game unplayable) they are linked to patch 1.03 (which is required for DAO : Awakening), so if you patch the basic version of DAO to 1.03 and does not experience more crash than before patch it will be the same with Awakening. However, if you experience some crash to desktop with DAO version 1.03, does not expect Awakening to solve anything!

About the length of the game, the absolute length of a playground is really dependent of the player. However, the length of a player playground in the extension should be linked to the length of his playgrounds in the OC. Personally, my first OC playground take me about 60 hours and my first (and the only one I have finished) Awakening playground take me about 18 hours. I would say that an Awakening playground will always take between 1/4 and 1/3 of an OC playground with the same level of exploration. It is to you to decide if it is enough or not.

About the bug in the Awakening campaign itself, I won’t be very positive. If you only expect to be able to finish the campaign and most of the side quest, Awakening should be fine for you. If you are more completionist and you would like to finish all the side quests and develop the relation with your companions you will be disappointed, many side quests and the approval system are broken. Unless you play the game in the “perfect” order (which is not the same as the logical order) you won’t be able to see all of the companion quests for example. In my first playground, I was able to finish the campaign and most of the side quest (I have only encountered one major bug but I was able to avoid it by loading a previous save) but, to enjoy finishing more playgrounds, I should be able to do the side quests I have missed and it is not the case because of the bugs (indeed I have even encountered more bugs in my second playground than in my first one). For me, the bugs ruin completely the replayability of Awakening.      
Finally, I have spent about 250 hours in DAO OC and less than 25 in DAO Awakening and I won’t play it anymore before a patch. If I have know I would have wait for a patch before to buy it.
 
My last advice is that, if you decide to buy it, save very often and do not erase any save before to be sure that everything is fine. For example, if you are striped of your equipment, do not erase the last save you have done before to be striped as long as you have not the totality of your equipment back. 

Hope it will help.

[Phonantiphon]

jase1976 wrote...

But I want to mention again that I really enjoyed DA Origins and I consider it a very high quality product, so I am surprised that they released Awakenings, and so many people are having problems with it.

In fairness, not everyone does have problems with it.
It looks that way because the only ones who are really vocal are the ones with problems. I - (for example) - have been playing it quite happily. I've had a couple of CTDs but tbh nothing that can't be explained by local issues with my PC, but then my browser will CTD occasionally so...

As I said - really you just need to get it and play it for yourself, it's the best way.

[Taritu]

Wait till it's patched. I've got it, played it a bit (haven't finished) went back and played the original campaign some more instead.

It's also, from what I've seen and others have said, ludicrously easy.  Faceroll territory.

Modifié par Taritu, 14 avril 2010 - 07:48 .

[Pandaman102]

I didn't have any compatibility issues with the 1.03 patch or Awakening, in fact it doubled the amount of time I could play before the memory leak started bogging things down, but that isn't any indication of how it would behave on other systems. I found Awakening enjoyable but I can't recommend it at $40, I would suggest you wait for it to drop to a more reasonable price or for the bugs to be patched (and considering something as simple as missing Ancient Elven Boots in the Lothering Chantry cabinet hasn't been fixed, I wouldn't hold my breath).

There are some painfully obvious but minor bugs like four of the new tier weapon runes were flagged as armor rune (effectively making two useless), one new armor rune (and all the related recipes) were left out, and preferred gifts not giving correct raises in influence; then there are some less obvious but fairly irritating bugs like your equipped gear getting destroyed because you had a specialization-specific item equipped during a particular cutscene, an NPC meant to start a companion quest being despawned because you completed an unrelated quest before meeting said companion, and being unable to complete a side-quest for one or two of your companions because you completed three of four plot quests in the wrong order.

While in general I do agree that time vs. price isn't a good metric to base your purchase on, I do find it hard to justify paying near full price for something that already has most of its resources already available (game system, engine modifications, sound effects, animations, models, textures, etc.) - after all, didn't we already pay for the development of all that with the initial $50/$60?

Modifié par Pandaman102, 14 avril 2010 - 08:05 .

[Phonantiphon]

Pandaman102 wrote...

I didn't have any compatibility issues with the 1.03 patch or Awakening, in fact it doubled the amount of time I could play before the memory leak started bogging things down, but that isn't any indication of how it would behave on other systems. I found Awakening enjoyable but I can't recommend it at $40, I would suggest you wait for it to drop to a more reasonable price or for the bugs to be patched (and considering something as simple as missing Ancient Elven Boots in the Lothering Chantry cabinet hasn't been fixed, I wouldn't hold my breath).

There are some painfully obvious but minor bugs like four of the new tier weapon runes were flagged as armor rune (effectively making two useless), one new armor rune (and all the related recipes) were left out, and preferred gifts not giving correct raises in influence; then there are some less obvious but fairly irritating bugs like your equipped gear getting destroyed because you had a specialization-specific item equipped during a particular cutscene, an NPC meant to start a companion quest being despawned because you completed an unrelated quest before meeting said companion, and being unable to complete a side-quest for one or two of your companions because you completed three of four plot quests in the wrong order.

While in general I do agree that time vs. price isn't a good metric to base your purchase on, I do find it hard to justify paying near full price for something that already has most of its resources already available (game system, engine modifications, sound effects, animations, models, textures, etc.) - after all, didn't we already pay for the development of all that with the initial $50/$60?

Mind you - you have to factor in localisation for the price.
I paid £15.00 for mine - UK/PC - so it's all good anyway but I would have paid £20 for it easy.

[Pandaman102]

bassmunkee wrote...
Mind you - you have to factor in localisation for the price.
I paid £15.00 for mine - UK/PC - so it's all good anyway but I would have paid £20 for it easy.

True, I was assuming the OP was either in the US or purchasing from Steam. I certainly don't regret paying HKD180 (US$23) for Awakening, but if I were still in the States I definitely would have taken exception to paying the suggested retail price.

[Ygolnac]

Don't buy awakening before a patch is released. As it is now it's completely unplayable. I am not talking about game design, length, plot choiches, etc, but simply about bugs. Those bugs will make you angry and ruin your relax hours, i warned you.

[jase1976]

Well I've pretty much decided to wait for the patch before getting Awakenings; the people experiencing problems greatly outnumbers the peopl who are experiencing none/few bugs (at least on the forums it seems). Thanks for all the replies guys!

Now hopefully Bioware will give us some news soon about an upcoming patch...

Modifié par jase1976, 14 avril 2010 - 06:52 .