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[bzombo]

jase1976 wrote...

I really enjoyed Origins, and I'm probably going to start a second play through. I have a limited budget and I was wondering if it is worth it to get Awakenings (kind of expensive for an expansion). I'm mostly concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. Should I get it after a patch is released, or is it not worth getting at all?

the game is a lot of fun. i would recommend it, but if you're concerned about the price keep an eye out for sales and pick it up then. some places have already started knocking the price down a bit. if you're doing a second origins play through then get awakening and hold off on installing it (if you have pc version) until you finish your second time through. by then it should be patched as well so some potential problems might be fixed by then anyway.

[bzombo]

jase1976 wrote...

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

I'm not really bothered by length too much (I understand this is an expansion pack and not DA2). I'm much more concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. It's interesting to read what people post; you get everything from "I didn't encounter any bugs at all" to "this game is absolutely unplayable!"...

I can stand a few minor bugs (they are always there), but I do get bothered when I can't finish certain quests or I lose items in my inventory forever...  If I do get the expansion, I'll probably have to be careful about in game choices to avoid major bugs and I'll probably have to save really often (and I'm not sure if I want to tip-toe through a game like that) - especially if I have to pay $40 for it.

i understand your concerns, but also keep in mind that most in this thread steering you away don't even have the game registered, which tells me they did not buy it and are going on what others say. get it when you find it on sale and take your time with it. there's going to be a patch. a dev came on and said they ARE working on one. it's just not finished yet. by the time you finish origins again it should be patched or very close to it. if you like origins, you'll like awakening. just remember that there are no romances and most dlc does not carry over. certain choices do not carry over, which seems to be due to the number of combinations to account for, which would have been crazy for an expansion. the people complaining are the vocal minority. 1.03 did add some bugs, but they'll be worked on for the new patch. i advise you stay on 1.02a until you finish your new origins game first and the new bugs won't even impact you.

[bzombo]

Ygolnac wrote...

Don't buy awakening before a patch is released. As it is now it's completely unplayable. I am not talking about game design, length, plot choiches, etc, but simply about bugs. Those bugs will make you angry and ruin your relax hours, i warned you.

this is where the extremes come in. it is unplayable for you. for many it is completely playable and only has a few bugs. i've encountered a small number of bugs so far.

[jase1976]

Yeah bzombo, I was pretty much going to do just that (a 2nd play through 1st). It seems to me from reading the forums that a lot more people are having a tough time with bugs than people that are experiencing very few bugs, but maybe the people with bugs just tend to be more vocal about it. I have a quick question for you bzombo, do you have a link for the post from the dev (where you wrote) "a dev came on and said they ARE working on one"?

[edeheusch]

I have followed as much as possible all the topics asking for news about a patch and never saw any answer from anybody from Bioware, I would really like to see were a developer says there are working on a patch.

[davro33]

jase1976 wrote...

It seems to me from reading the forums that a lot more people are having a tough time with bugs than people that are experiencing very few bugs, but maybe the people with bugs just tend to be more vocal about it.

This is ALWAYS the case with any product.

I've had the game for 2 weeks now. The first night I was playing I had 2 CTD in a row.  I went and updated my nVidia drivers and haven't had a problem since. No bugs, no glitches, just hours of fun.

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

IMO, you're basically buying it for the new abilities, decent plot (so far in my exp), and cool if shallow companions. Trade something in for it, or use a gift card, etc. not worth the USA $40, like $25 at most.

Modifié par yasuraka.hakkyou, 14 avril 2010 - 08:16 .

[bzombo]

jase1976 wrote...

Yeah bzombo, I was pretty much going to do just that (a 2nd play through 1st). It seems to me from reading the forums that a lot more people are having a tough time with bugs than people that are experiencing very few bugs, but maybe the people with bugs just tend to be more vocal about it. I have a quick question for you bzombo, do you have a link for the post from the dev (where you wrote) "a dev came on and said they ARE working on one"?

i don't have the link handy, but it is in one of the xbox support threads in here. one of the devs came on and basically said they're working on a patch, but console patches take a lot longer than pc patches do. he seemed like he was explaining why it takes so long and i got the impression they are looking to release patches once all systems have patches ready to go out. if you go into the xbox tech support forums on here and click the blue bioware on the threads you'll end up finding the post. i saw it a while ago and don't have it handy now.

[bzombo]

i went and dug up the link. try this one:

http://social.biowar...ex/2234975&lf=8

edit: i think this can at least be enough to know a patch is coming. i don't think they would make a patch for one platform and not the others. it would make no sense.

Modifié par bzombo, 14 avril 2010 - 09:23 .

[jase1976]

Thanks bzombo!



Looks like we're just gonna have to wait patiently now...

[Fizzeler]

Taradil wrote...

I found a little bugs yes. But nothing that made the game really unplayable, the crashes were annyoing thou. I would say that the bugs are the least of the games problem. If you liked DA:O's fights for the planning and tactics use, you'll be dissapointed, Awakening is to easy. I think I maybe died three times during my playthrough. The story, characters and new spells are fantastic however, so are many of the new locations. I found it to be worth the money. Just don't expect a new masterpice.

This is a perfect statement to sum up my opinion as well, Awakening may freeze (for Xbok or PS3) or crash (for PC) once or twice and yes the annoying Arms in the air bug ruins a little of the cutscene, but that is fixed by reloading. The game is still worth the money seeing as you get a more mysterious story, interesting new characters (except Vellana have yet to really explore her character), and some fantastic new spells ad sepcializations as well as an ability to completely revamp your character.

to me it seems like a no brainer, then again i have already done 4 DA:O playthroughs and have all the DLC (except Feastday because the gifts don't work for Awakening) so my opinion is greatly biased.

[Taritu]

bzombo wrote...

jase1976 wrote...

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...

Hmmmmm, you seem like one of those people who determines value by comparing price and length of a single play through so I'm going to have to say no for your particular case.

I'm not really bothered by length too much (I understand this is an expansion pack and not DA2). I'm much more concerned with all the bugs people have been reporting. It's interesting to read what people post; you get everything from "I didn't encounter any bugs at all" to "this game is absolutely unplayable!"...

I can stand a few minor bugs (they are always there), but I do get bothered when I can't finish certain quests or I lose items in my inventory forever...  If I do get the expansion, I'll probably have to be careful about in game choices to avoid major bugs and I'll probably have to save really often (and I'm not sure if I want to tip-toe through a game like that) - especially if I have to pay $40 for it.

i understand your concerns, but also keep in mind that most in this thread steering you away don't even have the game registered, which tells me they did not buy it and are going on what others say. get it when you find it on sale and take your time with it. there's going to be a patch. a dev came on and said they ARE working on one. it's just not finished yet. by the time you finish origins again it should be patched or very close to it. if you like origins, you'll like awakening. just remember that there are no romances and most dlc does not carry over. certain choices do not carry over, which seems to be due to the number of combinations to account for, which would have been crazy for an expansion. the people complaining are the vocal minority. 1.03 did add some bugs, but they'll be worked on for the new patch. i advise you stay on 1.02a until you finish your new origins game first and the new bugs won't even impact you.

I wouldn't make such assumptions.  It didn't show as registered for me for example, because I didn't bother, since it isn't necessary in order to have access to the forums. Just registered it now, only so it'll show on my profile, so people don't leap to assumptions.

You get nothing for registering the game, so most people aren't bothering.

Modifié par Taritu, 14 avril 2010 - 09:57 .

[Ygolnac]

UnPlayer88 wrote...

Ygolnac wrote...

Don't buy awakening before a patch is released. As it is now it's completely unplayable. I am not talking about game design, length, plot choiches, etc, but simply about bugs. Those bugs will make you angry and ruin your relax hours, i warned you.

That's odd because I played the entire game without any bugs.  I loved it, too.

I'm happy for you, but many people do experience many bugs. If it wasn't for the bugs i'd love awakening. The list of bugs i had is so long i don't bother to write it down, but it really ruined my game experience and gave me stress in the hours i should relax. Usually i am forgiving with a couple of bugs, but loosing forever my equipment, having half of the party members not usable, and not being possible to copmplete half of the sidequests is too much.

I disinstalled all the game, reinstalled DA:O, patched with 1.02 and doing a new playthrough.

I'm waiting for 1.04 before even looking at awakening again, and if someone asks me, the answear is always the same: wait until next patch (and maybe prices will drop too).

[Wicked 702]

I'll honestly try to keep this civil since this discussion contains aspects that really tick me off...

#1: Suggesting we should have patience, because they are "working on it," is a ridiculous argument. Patience was a good idea after one month, two months, maybe even 3. But when we're past 5 months now and the major problems from the original haven't been fixed plus all they've done is introduce new ones? No, that's not a fair request at all.

Which leads me to #2: Telling people to "buy it and see for yourself" is also wrong. The only way a consumer has to really sway the giant beast known as a Corporation is to not give them money. Voting with your wallet, buy not buying substandard products, is the only way to get things to change. Or a lawsuit....but none of us have that kind of time or resources.

Finally, #3: No amount of bugs is acceptable. Expected perhaps but that doesn't mean you should accept them. Bugs, even minor ones, ruin the immersion that games provide. It's extremely difficult to stay connected to a story when dialogue suddenly cuts out or items/quests disappear. (I'm being generic here.) Some of these bugs are downright ridiculous.



With all that said, no way is Awakenings worth what Bioware is asking. It probably will be, at some future date when they actually present a quality product, but not now.

[bzombo]

Wicked 702 wrote...

I'll honestly try to keep this civil since this discussion contains aspects that really tick me off...
#1: Suggesting we should have patience, because they are "working on it," is a ridiculous argument. Patience was a good idea after one month, two months, maybe even 3. But when we're past 5 months now and the major problems from the original haven't been fixed plus all they've done is introduce new ones? No, that's not a fair request at all.
Which leads me to #2: Telling people to "buy it and see for yourself" is also wrong. The only way a consumer has to really sway the giant beast known as a Corporation is to not give them money. Voting with your wallet, buy not buying substandard products, is the only way to get things to change. Or a lawsuit....but none of us have that kind of time or resources.
Finally, #3: No amount of bugs is acceptable. Expected perhaps but that doesn't mean you should accept them. Bugs, even minor ones, ruin the immersion that games provide. It's extremely difficult to stay connected to a story when dialogue suddenly cuts out or items/quests disappear. (I'm being generic here.) Some of these bugs are downright ridiculous.

With all that said, no way is Awakenings worth what Bioware is asking. It probably will be, at some future date when they actually present a quality product, but not now.

5 months refers to origins, and they have patched a lot of stuff. maybe you don't like what they patched, but you act as if nothing has been done in 5 months, which is untrue as well as unfair. it's been a month. i understand the frustration with bugs. really, i do, but i also understand things take time.

[Wicked 702]

bzombo wrote...

5 months refers to origins, and they have patched a lot of stuff. maybe you don't like what they patched, but you act as if nothing has been done in 5 months, which is untrue as well as unfair. it's been a month. i understand the frustration with bugs. really, i do, but i also understand things take time.

I play on the 360. NOTHING has been patched. /truth

Edit: Well except for achievements! And we all know how important those are to the gaming experience!

Second Edit: By the way, that just makes it worse! Instead of making the original into a quality product, they just ignored it for nearly HALF A YEAR and asked for more of your money. Oh happy day....

Modifié par Wicked 702, 14 avril 2010 - 11:03 .

[simon.dean]

I have yet to have a problem with my 360 version or my PC version of DAO and awakening (I bought both because I wanted to mod the PC ver after I already got the 360 one)



I played it on an low level gaming computer (radeon x1650 1.5 gig of ram (I think I have 2 gig but my computer wont read it) and a P4 2.80 on XP) and it play's perfectly on High Quality and it does slow down and lags if I play it for a long period of time, But that's just my sign to get off because I played it too long.

[danny411]

I got it fo 20

it was way to short

took me like 4 days to finish

i entered the game with 500 gold and made tons of runes and stuff and left with 500 gold

my rogue was doing 870 damage.

I  respecd all my companions.

I went with 2 mages for the double haste.

think i finished around level 33 on normal

if you get it turn up the difficulty a bunch...my guys didnt consume many health potions.

[kumanur]

If you're really not sure Rent it if you can, If you like it and feel like it's a keeper then buy it when you have the funds, this way you're not out 40-50 bucks if you don't like it.

[Pandaman102]

UnPlayer88 wrote...

Ygolnac wrote...

Don't buy awakening before a patch is released. As it is now it's completely unplayable. I am not talking about game design, length, plot choiches, etc, but simply about bugs. Those bugs will make you angry and ruin your relax hours, i warned you.

That's odd because I played the entire game without any bugs.  I loved it, too.

While saying it's completely unplayable is an exaggeration, the fact is there are game-crippling bugs that trigger on certain yet-unknown conditions and a slew of minor (relatively speaking) bugs that you wouldn't have noticed if you didn't play the expansion in a certain way: for example you would never know Sigrun's companion quest cannot be started if you complete the smuggler quest before meeting her if you didn't bother with companion quests, nor would you know that half the masterpiece/paragon tier weapon runes are misflagged as armor runes if you didn't bother with rune crafting, nor would you realize you can potentially fail in two quests if you always do the Blackmarsh last, etc.

I hardly noticed any bugs the first time I played as well, but that was because I was too busy trying to get to the end and see the entire story; but the second playthrough was all about being a completionist and that's when you start running into the lion's share of bugs.

[Loredis]

What's Awakenings?

[bzombo]

Wicked 702 wrote...

bzombo wrote...

5 months refers to origins, and they have patched a lot of stuff. maybe you don't like what they patched, but you act as if nothing has been done in 5 months, which is untrue as well as unfair. it's been a month. i understand the frustration with bugs. really, i do, but i also understand things take time.

I play on the 360. NOTHING has been patched. /truth

Edit: Well except for achievements! And we all know how important those are to the gaming experience!

Second Edit: By the way, that just makes it worse! Instead of making the original into a quality product, they just ignored it for nearly HALF A YEAR and asked for more of your money. Oh happy day....

the first pc patch was already included with the 360 version of the game, then there was the update, and then there was 1.03. that's 3 patches, one which was done that you never saw.

[Comm Ghost]

didnt notice any bugs and loved every single minute.

[Grimmwor Runeforger]

I like it pretty well...my biggest disappointment is with the difficulty.  Even on insanity, I breeze through every single fight, which is disappointing...I really enjoyed the challenge with DA:O and that is completely gone with Awakening...when I imported my character I think he was like 21st level...maybe that is part of the problem...maybe I will try another play through with an 18th level character that I just start in Awakening...the Orlesian Warden playthrough :-)

[Wicked 702]

bzombo wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

I play on the 360. NOTHING has been patched. /truth

Edit: Well except for achievements! And we all know how important those are to the gaming experience!

Second Edit: By the way, that just makes it worse! Instead of making the original into a quality product, they just ignored it for nearly HALF A YEAR and asked for more of your money. Oh happy day....

the first pc patch was already included with the 360 version of the game, then there was the update, and then there was 1.03. that's 3 patches, one which was done that you never saw.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you haven't been keeping up with the truth. It's understandable of course since you don't play on a console. You are correct about the first patch being included with the game. But of course that doesn't count since the first taste any console player had with the game, on first day release, was that new version. Since that patch, there have been a total of 3 "patches".

The first of those patches that was released was to correct problems with Xbox live achievements. It was the one that locked everyone's specializations. It was then pulled. The second patch was a correction to the first. So nothing there. The final patch was the one that "prepared" Origins to accept Awakenings. Bioware, in all its infinite wisdom, copied the PC patch notes for that one and posted them in the console forums. But guess what? Those notes are incorrect. The so called "patch" contains none of the fixes that PC players have received since launch. Case in point....the dex bug is still present in the console version. That patch actually ended up adding more problems (stealing now broken) and fixed NONE of the problems it purported to fix (since it was a different version than the PC one). In other words, as I've stated before, NO BUGS ON THE CONSOLE VERSIONS HAVE BEEN PATCHED SINCE THE GAME'S RELEASE. PERIOD!
None that were included in the patch notes anyway. And neither I, nor any of the many others that have spent time testing the patch, have found any of those "fixes" present in the console version. Thank you, I'd like some support now.