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[Bootsykk]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Flemeth is in a different body in The Stolen Throne than the one she raised and possibly conceived Morrigan in. If you talk with Morrigan she will tell you of a time that her mother was young and looked very much like her. In The Stolen Throne Flemeth looks very much like how she does in DA:O.

From what Maric says in The Calling it seems to me that he and Flemeth had a discussion about the future of Ferelden when he was inside the hut with her.

I never read the book but I think the promise was to allow the Grey wardens in Fereldan.

You know, I probably should have just said this.

[Meliorist13]

I think the OP's idea is a plausible one. As far as the thought of icky goes, yes Incest now days is a horrid thing. But in ancient times it was not, ie. the Egyptians, Romans, and even before that, but I won't get into that discussion as it ruffles too many feathers of the devout.

[Bootsykk]

vypz wrote...

Listing to Juneya and awesomeeffect2 my theory does seem compleat crap nw esppecialy reading Juneyas but think like this felemeth did not know maric would have a child with Fiona (the calling spoilers to follow) thats who i belive Alistas real mother to be, not goldanas mother (i know another conspiracy). if the deamon was really an old god who possesed felemeth wouldnt it make sence for her to seek being the ruler of the kingdom with the only known accsess to the deeproads admitingly thats orzamar but you can see what im gettin at hopefully?

Welll.... (oh gee wiz, I can't believe I'm actually going to go in-depth with this. LOL.)

From what I can gather the Old Gods couldn't possess a human. They could speak to the wanderers of the fade as they slept, but seeing as they weren't actually demons but physical dragons... I doubt they could take over someone the way that many of the fade demons could.

However, they could teach magic, and they were the first to bring magic to man. If an archdemon taught flemeth her magic, but only if she would make a promise to free him, then this would exlain why Flemeth isn't exactly an abomination and has full control of her own thoughts.

[Bootsykk]

Meliorist13 wrote...

I think the OP's idea is a plausible one. As far as the thought of icky goes, yes Incest now days is a horrid thing. But in ancient times it was not, ie. the Egyptians, Romans, and even before that, but I won't get into that discussion as it ruffles too many feathers of the devout.

See, I suppose this is where I am most skeptical. I don't think the world is nearly ready yet for a game that has two characters that are related, no matter how distant, sleeping together and concieving a child. Half of North America would start ****ting bricks, I kid you not.

If this wasn't the case and people were able to view things from a more rational point, then I would be completely open to OP's idea.

[vypz]

Juneya wrote...

vypz wrote...

Listing to Juneya and awesomeeffect2 my theory does seem compleat crap nw esppecialy reading Juneyas but think like this felemeth did not know maric would have a child with Fiona (the calling spoilers to follow) thats who i belive Alistas real mother to be, not goldanas mother (i know another conspiracy). if the deamon was really an old god who possesed felemeth wouldnt it make sence for her to seek being the ruler of the kingdom with the only known accsess to the deeproads admitingly thats orzamar but you can see what im gettin at hopefully?

Welll.... (oh gee wiz, I can't believe I'm actually going to go in-depth with this. LOL.)

From what I can gather the Old Gods couldn't possess a human. They could speak to the wanderers of the fade as they slept, but seeing as they weren't actually demons but physical dragons... I doubt they could take over someone the way that many of the fade demons could.

However, they could teach magic, and they were the first to bring magic to man. If an archdemon taught flemeth her magic, but only if she would make a promise to free him, then this would exlain why Flemeth isn't exactly an abomination and has full control of her own thoughts.

very true and lets say this  fact and lets say for arguments sake that the old god that taught her magic was one of the remaning old gods eiver the dragon of Mystery of the dragon of night and there both trapped somewhere in the deep roads it would stil benifit flemeth to become the queen of ferelden because of its close proximity and good relations with orzamar she could arrange a an expedition in to the deep roads to find sed old god
(holy god im starting to give myself a headache with all these conspiracys)

[erilben]

Juneya wrote...

My theory is probably just a bunch of hogwash, but to be honest, I don't see how Flemeth benefits from having a child of royal blood--especially since women cannot overthrow a king due to their standing in society (I'm being honest here, not sexist. Nobody would kick a male king off the throne, even if he was of royal blood, to put a woman on that is not known by the people). What makes more sense to me when Maric gave her a promise is that he promised to bring the Grey Wardens back to Ferelden. Because I'm a self-absorbed ****** I'm also going to tie this into my theory: Flemeth wouldn't want the world to succumb to a blight, because otherwise, the darkspawn would just raise up another archdemon, possibly her archdemon, and that would just blow. This also explains why she had the treaties: she needed the blight to be over as quickly and cleanly as possible.

Really? Why was there be banns that wanted to get rid of the king to put Sophia Dryden on throne?

[Bootsykk]

erilben wrote...

Juneya wrote...

My theory is probably just a bunch of hogwash, but to be honest, I don't see how Flemeth benefits from having a child of royal blood--especially since women cannot overthrow a king due to their standing in society (I'm being honest here, not sexist. Nobody would kick a male king off the throne, even if he was of royal blood, to put a woman on that is not known by the people). What makes more sense to me when Maric gave her a promise is that he promised to bring the Grey Wardens back to Ferelden. Because I'm a self-absorbed ****** I'm also going to tie this into my theory: Flemeth wouldn't want the world to succumb to a blight, because otherwise, the darkspawn would just raise up another archdemon, possibly her archdemon, and that would just blow. This also explains why she had the treaties: she needed the blight to be over as quickly and cleanly as possible.

Really? Why was there be banns that wanted to get rid of the king to put Sophia Dryden on throne?

Keep in mind that Sophia was an arlessa, rather than a woman born in a swamp without any political ties. Flemeth would have been quite foolish to think that she could so quickly gain the favor of enough politicians to overthrow the son of a king.

I'm being honest here, not sexist. Nobody would kick a male king off the
throne, even if he was of royal blood, to put a woman on that is not
known by the people

...

EDIT: I probably should have clarified: nobody would kick a male king of the throne with royal ties unless he was a power-hungry cruel tyrant that would butcher the families of noblemen that said things he didn't like.

Modifié par Juneya, 13 avril 2010 - 11:17 .

[krasnoarmeets]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Someone else posted this theory. They look nothing alike.

My sisters look nothing like me. What's your point?

Serissia wrote...
From what
Maric says in The Calling it seems to me that he and Flemeth had a
discussion about the future of Ferelden when he was inside the hut with
her.

And perhaps the hut wasn't the only thing he was inside at the time... ewww

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 13 avril 2010 - 11:38 .

[DragonShepard138]

Flemeth died, I have the dragonscale massive armor to prove it. You'll never find out!

[Serissia]

krasnoarmeets wrote...
And perhaps the hut wasn't the only thing he was inside at the time... ewww

I honestly don't think Maric would of slept with Flemeth at that point in time even if it was for the good of Ferelden.  Maric isn't "hardened" for lack of a better word till after he kills Katriel.  It isn't till after Katriel's death that Maric starts to do whatever is necessary regardless of how he felt about the action personally. 

[SLPr0]

I read both books. I cannot, at this time, remember if Maric ever revealed the promise he made to Flemeth in the wilds, the inference throughout the books is that the promise related in some way to Loghain...and even in open discussion she says something along the lines of "keep him close and he will betray you, each time blacker than the last".



As I remember it at least, the promise is never revealed but is a subplot element that rides between both prequel novels and comes up on occasion.



In any regards it is also confirmed in dialogs with Morrigan and party banters between her and others that she is not physically Flemeth's daughter in the traditional sense of a child bearing parent.



Also given the events in the books the promise to Flemeth occurs long before Maric regains the Throne in Stolen Throne, at the beginning of the novel actually, placing Morrigan's age at far too young to actually be a child of Maric. Alistair is in his late 20s or so, it is established that Maric died "at sea" somewhere between 17 and 20 years after the events of the Calling, the events of Stolen Throne actually span several years, there is a break in time line between Stolen Throne and The Calling, which only spans a space of a few months. But we can assume from beginning information in The Calling that perhaps another five to ten years have passed since the Battle of the River Dane given it infers much time on Maric, Rowan and Loghain's part to rebuild Ferelden after the war.



So for Morrigan to actually be a physical child of Maric is temporally impossible. She appears to be in her late twenties, as does Alistair, placing the time of their "births" as somewhat covalent to each other in the timeline. If Maric had laid with Flemeth to beget Morrigan, she would be in her early 40s...at an outside guess, in DA:O.

[ZMJ10]

Juneya wrote...

Personally, I don't think that theory makes much sense. Flemeth, in my opinion, did not really want to become the queen of all Ferelden.

So here I'll post my own conspiracy theory: I believe that Flemeth's 'demon' was actually one of the Old Gods speaking to her, and as they had first taught magic to man that Old God taught magic to Flemeth so she could take revenge, which would explain why Flemeth knows magic that was lost since the days of Arlathan (that only a few Dalish Keepers still know) but unlike them, can turn into a high dragon.

Morrigan states that after making the deal with this 'demon' he had made her strong. Normally, an abomination would immediately take over the body of the mage it spoke to, so how could it be that any old demon was speaking to Flemeth? The Old Gods didn't have a way to get out from underground, so they would need another way out: the dark ritual could be a way. Flemeth's deal with this demon could have just been her promise to find a way to bring him back.

Then, the final peice of my lame imagination run wild is the grimoir. You won't catch this detail unless you talk to Morrigan and she tells you what her mother's grimoir looks like: a leather bound spiral with the design of a leafless tree. This back to the opening credits, this very image comes up with while Duncan narrarates, "they were cast out, twisted and cursed by their own corruption. They returned as monsters, the first of the darkspawn." When the Old Gods first tried to escape their prison, their plan had ultimately backfired, as now they were being summoned from their prison to be tainted. Now, thought Duncan is narrarating the history of the darkspawn... think of it as if he were talking about the Old Gods instead. It kind of just clicks.


My theory is probably just a bunch of hogwash, but to be honest, I don't see how Flemeth benefits from having a child of royal blood--especially since women cannot overthrow a king due to their standing in society (I'm being honest here, not sexist. Nobody would kick a male king off the throne, even if he was of royal blood, to put a woman on that is not known by the people). What makes more sense to me when Maric gave her a promise is that he promised to bring the Grey Wardens back to Ferelden. Because I'm a self-absorbed ****** I'm also going to tie this into my theory: Flemeth wouldn't want the world to succumb to a blight, because otherwise, the darkspawn would just raise up another archdemon, possibly her archdemon, and that would just blow. This also explains why she had the treaties: she needed the blight to be over as quickly and cleanly as possible.

I actually enjoyed your theroy, But we will never know unless bioware makes Dragon age 2 involving the same story as the first oneB)

[Thalorin1919]

Haa, can anyone say Jaime and Cersei Lannister?

[Bootsykk]

ZMJ10 wrote...

Juneya wrote...
*LOLSNIP*

I actually enjoyed your theroy, But we will never know unless bioware makes Dragon age 2 involving the same story as the first oneB)

Ahaha, thanks Even though it is a litle far-fetched, I just have some kind of gut feeling that at least part of it is true. Morrigan's description of the grimoir though is what really blew my mind--the written description on the grimoir simply says "a leather-bound tome with the image of a tree on the front". But then when she describes it, there's that one itty bitty detail about it being leafless. That seriously blew my mind

I was going to finish that thought but I don't remember what I was trying to say because I just noticed my entire web browser is in german...

[Bootsykk]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Juneya wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Serissia wrote...

Flemeth is in a different body in The Stolen Throne than the one she raised and possibly conceived Morrigan in. If you talk with Morrigan she will tell you of a time that her mother was young and looked very much like her. In The Stolen Throne Flemeth looks very much like how she does in DA:O.

From what Maric says in The Calling it seems to me that he and Flemeth had a discussion about the future of Ferelden when he was inside the hut with her.

I never read the book but I think the promise was to allow the Grey wardens in Fereldan.

You know, I probably should have just said this.

Lol, sorry

What for? Great minds think alike, you know.



*is concieted*

Modifié par Juneya, 14 avril 2010 - 01:56 .

[fanman72]

I read the books. The way it was written i really did not get that feeling Maric ****ed flemeth,.....just an old lady babbling and ranting to a young king

[Ash Wind]

I certainly hope not, depending on your choices Morrigan and Alistair can have sex and conceive a child...if that's the direction the story goes... count me out. (grossed-out face)

Modifié par Ash Wind, 16 avril 2010 - 04:15 .

[MutantSpleen]

Ash Wind wrote...

I certainly hope not, depending on your choices Morrigan and Alistair can have sex and conceive a child...if that's the direction the story goes... count me out. (grossed-out face)

It would be very Arthurian.  King Arthur sleeps with his half-sister Morgan Le Fay and begets Mordred.

[Damoadrthade]

Juneya wrote...

Meliorist13 wrote...

I think the OP's idea is a plausible one. As far as the thought of icky goes, yes Incest now days is a horrid thing. But in ancient times it was not, ie. the Egyptians, Romans, and even before that, but I won't get into that discussion as it ruffles too many feathers of the devout.

See, I suppose this is where I am most skeptical. I don't think the world is nearly ready yet for a game that has two characters that are related, no matter how distant, sleeping together and concieving a child. Half of North America would start ****ting bricks, I kid you not.

If this wasn't the case and people were able to view things from a more rational point, then I would be completely open to OP's idea.

The Witcer has a brother and sister have a child and they are royalty, unless that was cut out in the US release i heard much of the game was toned down.

[vypz]

Ash Wind wrote...

I certainly hope not, depending on your choices Morrigan and Alistair can have sex and conceive a child...if that's the direction the story goes... count me out. (grossed-out face)

well lol this should mke u think sum mre b4 u go dwn that road haha

[Suron]

no she's not his half-sister



stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

[vypz]

Suron wrote...

no she's not his half-sister

stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

hows it stupid u throwing your dolly out the pram mkes u look stupid

[Suron]

vypz wrote...

Suron wrote...

no she's not his half-sister

stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

hows it stupid u throwing your dolly out the pram mkes u look stupid

I rest my case..this sentence isn't even coherent or legible.

if you're going to throw an insult about someones intelligent back at someone...don't look like a ****** doing it.

[vypz]

Suron wrote...

vypz wrote...

Suron wrote...

no she's not his half-sister

stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

hows it stupid u throwing your dolly out the pram mkes u look stupid

I rest my case..this sentence isn't even coherent or legible.

if you're going to throw an insult about someones intelligent back at someone...don't look like a ****** doing it.

mate its called internet speak and listen if u dnt like the theory u dont have to listen 2 it, stop trollin the net and lookin 4 an argument just becuz ur dad used 2 beet ya

Modifié par vypz, 16 avril 2010 - 08:20 .