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[Herr Uhl]

Suron wrote...

no she's not his half-sister

stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

Ironic. Take it down a few notches and more people take you seriously. As you are now, you only call people idiots and other expletives, which isn't helping anyone.

[Merilsell]

Morrigan is Alistars half sister

Let me say this with Sten's words:

[Daneres]

I have wondered about this myself, whether Alistair and Morrigan are in fact related. It didn't enter my mind, however, until someone in a thread (months ago, don't know what one it was) mentioned that it is implied in The Calling that they might be related. And I remember thinking...eww, incest, so very, very wrong (if they do the Dark Ritual). My brother, though, was with me at the time and he made a point to mention that back in ancient times, kings and queens and nobles often married their children off to each other because they wanted to continued their bloodline in the purest way possible, and he's right, they did. A more known example of this is that Cleopatra was forced to marry her ten-year-old brother (can we say big EWW) because it was a way of not only preserving their family's bloodline so...efficiently...but seeing that a woman didn't sit on the throne of Egypt as well. So...icky as it is...Dragon Age is considered ancient times and it's possible that they are in fact brother and sister. They may not know it (or, at least I hope not, but Morrigan just may, considering this is Flemeth we're talking about, lol). Myself, I always thought it would be a neat idea if Morrigan was somehow Duncan's child. Don't know how they would work that but I think it would quite an interesting story.

[Daneres]

Juneya wrote...

Personally, I don't think that theory makes much sense. Flemeth, in my opinion, did not really want to become the queen of all Ferelden.

So here I'll post my own conspiracy theory: I believe that Flemeth's 'demon' was actually one of the Old Gods speaking to her, and as they had first taught magic to man that Old God taught magic to Flemeth so she could take revenge, which would explain why Flemeth knows magic that was lost since the days of Arlathan (that only a few Dalish Keepers still know) but unlike them, can turn into a high dragon.

Morrigan states that after making the deal with this 'demon' he had made her strong. Normally, an abomination would immediately take over the body of the mage it spoke to, so how could it be that any old demon was speaking to Flemeth? The Old Gods didn't have a way to get out from underground, so they would need another way out: the dark ritual could be a way. Flemeth's deal with this demon could have just been her promise to find a way to bring him back.

Then, the final peice of my lame imagination run wild is the grimoir. You won't catch this detail unless you talk to Morrigan and she tells you what her mother's grimoir looks like: a leather bound spiral with the design of a leafless tree. This back to the opening credits, this very image comes up with while Duncan narrarates, "they were cast out, twisted and cursed by their own corruption. They returned as monsters, the first of the darkspawn." When the Old Gods first tried to escape their prison, their plan had ultimately backfired, as now they were being summoned from their prison to be tainted. Now, thought Duncan is narrarating the history of the darkspawn... think of it as if he were talking about the Old Gods instead. It kind of just clicks.


My theory is probably just a bunch of hogwash, but to be honest, I don't see how Flemeth benefits from having a child of royal blood--especially since women cannot overthrow a king due to their standing in society (I'm being honest here, not sexist. Nobody would kick a male king off the throne, even if he was of royal blood, to put a woman on that is not known by the people). What makes more sense to me when Maric gave her a promise is that he promised to bring the Grey Wardens back to Ferelden. Because I'm a self-absorbed ****** I'm also going to tie this into my theory: Flemeth wouldn't want the world to succumb to a blight, because otherwise, the darkspawn would just raise up another archdemon, possibly her archdemon, and that would just blow. This also explains why she had the treaties: she needed the blight to be over as quickly and cleanly as possible.

This clicked for me too. So when I started thinking about it...that Flemeth's grimoire has the symbol of a leafless tree on the cover and the leafless tree is shown in the opening story to the game, that it's associated with the magisters, yadda, yadda...I started to wonder if Flemeth may actually be one of the Tevinter Magisters who brought the Blights and the Darkspawn down upon the world. The game implies that they were all men, but it also implies that much knowledge of that time has been lost or purged. So...how do we know that they were all men? The game says that Flemeth predates the country of Ferelden as the country it is today but that she also predates the Chantry and the Circle of Magi. And if the Chantry and Circle of Magi were created after the Magisters assaulted Heaven...anyone see where I'm going with this? She has power beyond any other mage of the present day Dragon Age and knowledge of magic that predates the Chantry and the Circle Tower as well. And now she wants a Grey Warden to sire a child with her daughter, with the soul of an ancient god, the same gods who...whispered...to the Tevinter Magisters to assault Heaven in the first place.

[Daneres]

[quote]SLPr0 wrote...

I read both books. I cannot, at this time, remember if Maric ever revealed the promise he made to Flemeth in the wilds, the inference throughout the books is that the promise related in some way to Loghain...and even in open discussion she says something along the lines of "keep him close and he will betray you, each time blacker than the last".

As I remember it at least, the promise is never revealed but is a subplot element that rides between both prequel novels and comes up on occasion.

In any regards it is also confirmed in dialogs with Morrigan and party banters between her and others that she is not physically Flemeth's daughter in the traditional sense of a child bearing parent.

Also given the events in the books the promise to Flemeth occurs long before Maric regains the Throne in Stolen Throne, at the beginning of the novel actually, placing Morrigan's age at far too young to actually be a child of Maric. Alistair is in his late 20s or so, it is established that Maric died "at sea" somewhere between 17 and 20 years after the events of the Calling, the events of Stolen Throne actually span several years, there is a break in time line between Stolen Throne and The Calling, which only spans a space of a few months. But we can assume from beginning information in The Calling that perhaps another five to ten years have passed since the Battle of the River Dane given it infers much time on Maric, Rowan and Loghain's part to rebuild Ferelden after the war.

So for Morrigan to actually be a physical child of Maric is temporally impossible. She appears to be in her late twenties, as does Alistair, placing the time of their "births" as somewhat covalent to each other in the timeline. If Maric had laid with Flemeth to beget Morrigan, she would be in her early 40s...at an outside guess, in DA:O. [/quote


Hmm. This is true. But, if Morrigan is some sort of demon hybrid thing (which she could very well be - I don't believe she is entirely human) then she might not even age. Except after several centuries or something, like Flemeth. I wonder if it might be a stretch to assume that she might be Fiona's child, or something, long after Alistair. I don't know, lol, it's just a theory. As I said before: I think it would be interesting if she were somehow Duncan's child. We don't know where Flemeth got her, after all. If she's not hers, then she had to have been stolen from somewhere.

[Daneres]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...

I certainly hope not, depending on your choices Morrigan and Alistair can have sex and conceive a child...if that's the direction the story goes... count me out. (grossed-out face)

It would be very Arthurian.  King Arthur sleeps with his half-sister Morgan Le Fay and begets Mordred.

Very true.

[jpdipity]

When I read the book, this thought immediately entered my mind.  King Arthur, Oedipus - ah...the many stories of unknown incest seems to fit this story well. 

Not to mention, even before reading the books, I thought their banter seemed much like sibling rivarly to me.

I highly doubt that we will ever know one way or the other.  It will be left for us to speculate.

If it was true, I don't think it would have been because Flemeth wanted to be Queen like mentioned a few times in this thread.  It would have been because Flemeth wanted a child of Maric for whatever reason - perhaps for the DR, perhaps because of traits she saw in Maric, perhaps because of opportunity - there are plenty of reasons other than to place yourself or your child on the throne.

Ultimately, there simply is not enough evidence for me to say that I believe this is true.  Is it possible? I think yes.

[Unrefined-Nemesis]

Reading King Arthur stories and that David Gaider said that Morrigan is based and inspired by Morgan Le Fay, It is definitely possible that Morrigan is in fact Alistar's half sister and older on to be precise. Don't be surprised by incest it was a common thing back in the Dark Ages.

[Suron]

vypz wrote...

Suron wrote...

vypz wrote...

Suron wrote...

no she's not his half-sister

stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

hows it stupid u throwing your dolly out the pram mkes u look stupid

I rest my case..this sentence isn't even coherent or legible.

if you're going to throw an insult about someones intelligent back at someone...don't look like a ****** doing it.

mate its called internet speak and listen if u dnt like the theory u dont have to listen 2 it, stop trollin the net and lookin 4 an argument just becuz ur dad used 2 beet ya

internet speak? what are you 10?  lmao...

I don't care what it's called.  it's illegible and makes you sound extremely lacking in intelligence.

if you wanna play this game boy grow up first.

...internet speak...LOL

[vypz]

Suron wrote...

vypz wrote...

Suron wrote...

vypz wrote...

Suron wrote...

no she's not his half-sister

stop with the stupid ****ing "theory's"...this type of **** makes you look unintelligent.

hows it stupid u throwing your dolly out the pram mkes u look stupid

I rest my case..this sentence isn't even coherent or legible.

if you're going to throw an insult about someones intelligent back at someone...don't look like a ****** doing it.

mate its called internet speak and listen if u dnt like the theory u dont have to listen 2 it, stop trollin the net and lookin 4 an argument just becuz ur dad used 2 beet ya

internet speak? what are you 10?  lmao...

I don't care what it's called.  it's illegible and makes you sound extremely lacking in intelligence.

if you wanna play this game boy grow up first.

...internet speak...LOL

says these geeza who says LOLif ya gonna have a pop at someone for spelling a nice quick way try not to use one of the soddin words and u call me 10, idiot

Modifié par vypz, 20 avril 2010 - 09:11 .

[CalJones]

I think it's more Beowulf than Arthur. Beowulf sleeps with Grendel's mother and begets a dragon son...archdemon child anyone? (This being the Warden and Morrigan, mind you).

I don't believe Maric slept with Flemmeth either - she was described as very old in TST so it was almost certainly her previous incarnation. Still, it's an interesting theory. Morrigan may not look like Maric because it's likely that all Flemmeth's daughters look like Flemmeth. But no, I don't think Morrigan is Maric's daughter.

[Mirthadrond]

The problem I see with morrigan and alister being related is it's resemblance to the legend of King Arthor, who sleeps with is sister morrigan, producing the child mordred.

If dragon age turned into King Arthur redone, I'd be majorly disappointed.

[Wrathra]

vypz wrote...

Now this is a bit of an out there theory or it may be compleatly obvious to some. In Dragon age the stolen throne king Maric meets Flemeth and she provides help to maric and loghain on the condition maric keeps a mysterious promise... What if this promise was to conceive a child with her (Morrigan). However this was not to happen there and then, perhaps a few years later, after all Conceving a child with a outlaw king would be pointless unless he actualy becomes king because there would be no profit in it . When Flemeth takes over morrigans body she could become queen of all Ferelden (not foreseeing the Blight and are warden interfearing) after all Origins is only set 5 years after Marics death the stolen throne taking place roughly 30 years before origins so it is entirely possible that Maric is Morrigans farther. Lets face it aswel the way Morrigan and Alistar bicker they could be brother and sister.
Ive never read the novels but i no the general story if theres something in the story that says what the promise is and im compleatly wrong  please tell me.

Morrigan isn't Flemeth's biological daughter. She says as much when you question her at Flemeth's hut after you are rescued from the Tower of Ishal.

[Mirthadrond]

Morrigan says she's not flemeths flesh & blood?

I've never questioned her much during this scene as she always seems so put off by it, and impatient.

[Wrathra]

Mirthadrond wrote...

Morrigan says she's not flemeths flesh & blood?
I've never questioned her much during this scene as she always seems so put off by it, and impatient.

She mentions it when you ask her at the hut if Flemeth is really her mother.   She says something like  "...She raised me, born of her womb or not." 

I forget the exact quote, since I'm at work, but I think she made it pretty clear that Flemeth wasn't her biological mother.

Modifié par Wrathra, 22 avril 2010 - 06:44 .

[ObserverStatus]

Axekix wrote...

But they have sex in the female DP ending. That's icky.

Wait, what?

[vypz]

bobobo878 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

But they have sex in the female DP ending. That's icky.

Wait, what?

yer if u get alistar to do the dark ritual well u get it lol

[TheBlackBaron]

Eh, while there's nothing that absolutely says this is not the case, I find it exceedingly unlikely. It'd be getting a little derivative of King Arthur and Beowulf, as others have pointed out above.

[Swoo]

It's heavily hinted that she was stolen as a child and is not blood related to Flemeth, but it is as good as any other paternal relationship because it covered all the valuable bases - so to speak- while growing up.

Wrathra wrote...

Mirthadrond wrote...

Morrigan says she's not flemeths flesh & blood?
I've never questioned her much during this scene as she always seems so put off by it, and impatient.

She mentions it when you ask her at the hut if Flemeth is really her mother.   She says something like  "...She raised me, born of her womb or not." 

I forget the exact quote, since I'm at work, but I think she made it pretty clear that Flemeth wasn't her biological mother.

[GodWood]

Wrathra wrote...

Mirthadrond wrote...

Morrigan says she's not flemeths flesh & blood?
I've never questioned her much during this scene as she always seems so put off by it, and impatient.

She mentions it when you ask her at the hut if Flemeth is really her mother.   She says something like  "...She raised me, born of her womb or not." 

I forget the exact quote, since I'm at work, but I think she made it pretty clear that Flemeth wasn't her biological mother.

That is untrue.
She suggests that its likely shes not biologically Flemeth's daughter but in no way does she say she is certain about that.
You're making it sound like shes 100% sure that Flemeth is not her actual mother.

[Nu-Nu]

I think it's probaly more to do with helping her release the old gods rather then flemmeth having a child with him and wanting to take the crown through Morrigan. Why be queen when you can be god?

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 05 mai 2010 - 12:41 .

[Sabariel]

I have a hard time believing this theory. It would make Morrigan older than Alistair which I really doubt she is.

[nos_astra]

Sabariel wrote...

I have a hard time believing this theory. It would make Morrigan older than Alistair which I really doubt she is.

Um, I always assumed Morrigan was older than Alistair.

[Dark Lilith]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Does the word "incest" mean anything to you?

"incest": its a game the whole family can play