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[Gamer Xtreme]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

What if the LI gets turned into a vampire, you have to kill him/her yourself, and then you can go on a quest to make them better ...

Because generally it is easier to make people better if they are alive.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Nah I'm just procrastinating feeding my superiority complex by taunting a bunch of sweaty nerds in love with there videogame characters... is an arrorgant way of putting it

I AM NOT SWEATY!

[AntiChri5]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

So you were in love with Anne Frank before reading her diary?

No?

Ugh, no, but I cared for her more than an anonymous number.

Then you just destroyed your reasoning.

Anne Frank personalised the Holocaust when you did not have a strong intimate relationship with her beforehand (which is a good thing since she only ever reached 15) so why must it6 be the LI that dies?

Because we get to know Anne Frank, and her personality. We d not know and care for other characters as much as the LI.

Yes but we can get to know any character they kill off. Just because you didnt like Kaiden doesnt mean he wasnt a freind of shep's.

[PTPR]

You can still have the little picture without killing the LI. It would be better to kill off someone else anyway because people wouldn't expect it.

[Gamer Xtreme]

Images wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Nah I'm just procrastinating feeding my superiority complex by taunting a bunch of sweaty nerds in love with there videogame characters... is an arrorgant way of putting it

Danke

[Gamer Xtreme]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

So you were in love with Anne Frank before reading her diary?

No?

Ugh, no, but I cared for her more than an anonymous number.

Then you just destroyed your reasoning.

Anne Frank personalised the Holocaust when you did not have a strong intimate relationship with her beforehand (which is a good thing since she only ever reached 15) so why must it6 be the LI that dies?

Because we get to know Anne Frank, and her personality. We d not know and care for other characters as much as the LI.

Yes but we can get to know any character they kill off. Just because you didnt like Kaiden doesnt mean he wasnt a freind of shep's.

You miss the point, even if he was SHeps friend, that doesn't emotionally impact the player.

[PMorgan18]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Put it this way, would you be more angry at Hitler for genocide, or a man that killed you wife?

Hitler because no matter how much you love her, the life of one does not out weigh the thousands.

[TheLostGenius]

 Yea I've thought this as well. It would be "your decisions lead to tragedy" scenario. I think I started a thread about this a couple months ago.

[Gamer Xtreme]

PMorgan18 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Put it this way, would you be more angry at Hitler for genocide, or a man that killed you wife?

Hitler because no matter how much you love her, the life of one does not out weigh the thousands.

I am sure your response if that situation was real would be different.

[TheLostGenius]

PMorgan18 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Put it this way, would you be more angry at Hitler for genocide, or a man that killed you wife?

Hitler because no matter how much you love her, the life of one does not out weigh the thousands.

You probably have never been deeply in love with a woman and lost her. It feels worse than genocide, and is a one probable explanation for its existence.

[TheLostGenius]

BTW, watch the movie Anti-Christ, it really doesn't pull any punches in the way it examines relationships.

[Gamer Xtreme]

TheLostGenius wrote...

 Yea I've thought this as well. It would be "your decisions lead to tragedy" scenario. I think I started a thread about this a couple months ago.

It would be good if it was your decision, but the interactive nature of Mass Effect means people would simply make the decision to save the LI

[AntiChri5]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

So you were in love with Anne Frank before reading her diary?

No?

Ugh, no, but I cared for her more than an anonymous number.

Then you just destroyed your reasoning.

Anne Frank personalised the Holocaust when you did not have a strong intimate relationship with her beforehand (which is a good thing since she only ever reached 15) so why must it6 be the LI that dies?

Because we get to know Anne Frank, and her personality. We d not know and care for other characters as much as the LI.

Yes but we can get to know any character they kill off. Just because you didnt like Kaiden doesnt mean he wasnt a freind of shep's.

You miss the point, even if he was SHeps friend, that doesn't emotionally impact the player.

You miss the point, to emotionally impact the player they have to kill someone the player likes. They already did that and got most people. Bioware cant spend all their time making a character that you will like just to kill her.

[Gamer Xtreme]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

So you were in love with Anne Frank before reading her diary?

No?

Ugh, no, but I cared for her more than an anonymous number.

Then you just destroyed your reasoning.

Anne Frank personalised the Holocaust when you did not have a strong intimate relationship with her beforehand (which is a good thing since she only ever reached 15) so why must it6 be the LI that dies?

Because we get to know Anne Frank, and her personality. We d not know and care for other characters as much as the LI.

Yes but we can get to know any character they kill off. Just because you didnt like Kaiden doesnt mean he wasnt a freind of shep's.

You miss the point, even if he was SHeps friend, that doesn't emotionally impact the player.

You miss the point, to emotionally impact the player they have to kill someone the player likes. They already did that and got most people. Bioware cant spend all their time making a character that you will like just to kill her.

But the LI ALREADY IS a character the player hopefully likes. If the player liked Kaiden, why did the let him die?

[Tlazolteotl]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Tlazolteotl wrote...

What if the LI gets turned into a vampire, you have to kill him/her yourself, and then you can go on a quest to make them better ...

Because generally it is easier to make people better if they are alive.

You mean like Shepard?

[Gamer Xtreme]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Tlazolteotl wrote...

What if the LI gets turned into a vampire, you have to kill him/her yourself, and then you can go on a quest to make them better ...

Because generally it is easier to make people better if they are alive.

You mean like Shepard?

I did say generally, hang on.

SHEPARD IS A MUTANT SPACE VAMPIRE!

[Azint]

There are also games where people have no LI, what sort of leverage do you propose they use instead?

Modifié par Azint, 14 avril 2010 - 12:55 .

[PTPR]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

You miss the point, to emotionally impact the player they have to kill someone the player likes. They already did that and got most people. Bioware cant spend all their time making a character that you will like just to kill her.

But the LI ALREADY IS a character the player hopefully likes. If the player liked Kaiden, why did the let him die?

You know how upset I was when I had to choose between those two? I might be one of few but it made me hate Saren even more.

[Gamer Xtreme]

Azint wrote...

There are also games where people have no LI, what sort of leverage do you propose they use instead?

To put it simply, they are screwed. Kill Joker or something, much less impact but the vast majority of people do have a LI or two, or even three.

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Tis cliched because it works.

No it doesn't.

It only works if there was actually a developed relationship. In ME2 it was all rushed romances.  During my first playthrough, my Shepard romanced Tali, and she died in the suicide mission because the squad leader in the first stage wasn't loyal. And all I could think of at that moment was "Whoops" at incorrectly choosing Miranda instead of Jacob as the squad leader.

[Gamer Xtreme]

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You know how upset I was when I had to choose between those two? I might be one of few but it made me hate Saren even more.[/quote]

Got rid of the pyramid.

And the death of your LI would make you hate the reapers even more.

[Cutlass Jack]

The whole thing is terribly overdone as a cheap emotional ploy by lazy writers. Its actualy become a cliche in the comic industry.

See Women in Refrigerators.

[Gamer Xtreme]

Fluffeh Kitteh wrote...

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Tis cliched because it works.

No it doesn't.

It only works if there was actually a developed relationship. In ME2 it was all rushed romances.  During my first playthrough, my Shepard romanced Tali, and she died in the suicide mission because the squad leader in the first stage wasn't loyal. And all I could think of at that moment was "Whoops" at incorrectly choosing Miranda instead of Jacob as the squad leader.

Then better luck next time.

[Azint]

Gamer Xtreme wrote...

Azint wrote...

There are also games where people have no LI, what sort of leverage do you propose they use instead?

To put it simply, they are screwed. Kill Joker or something, much less impact but the vast majority of people do have a LI or two, or even three.

Joker pilots the ship, he's a crewmate, and many fans like him enough to consider a friend in-game. And how would such an event set itself up anyways? It seems oddly specific and gratuitous to just kill a character like that.

[TheLostGenius]

Azint wrote...

There are also games where people have no LI, what sort of leverage do you propose they use instead?

You should try Heavy Rain. One of the best LIs of any game I've ever played. So much realism.