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[JnEricsonx]

Mantis, Widow, Carnifex, all should get a extra, oh, maybe 5-6 shots each?  At least Mantis and Carnifex.

[Tlazolteotl]

In a word, why?

[dskylark]

The low ammo count is to offset how powerful the weapons are. 12 People are for sure dead whenever I carry the Widow.



Why dont you use the Viper or the Predator if you're having ammo issues?

[JnEricsonx]

I guess I'm just looking for a bit more middle of the road ammo approach.

[Confucius08]

I agree that the Carnifex could stand to have a bit more because the predator does 2/3 or more of the damage the Carnifex does but with 3 times the ammo so you can do more than six times the total damage with the predator than the Carnifex.

[OniGanon]

It is a bit daft that the Mantis and Incisor have less ammo than the Widow. The Viper and Carnifex should probably have a little bit more too, but not too much.



Weapons like the Widow and Vindicator though are meant to have low ammo for balance.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

I'd agree with the Carniflex, but only 'cos I play on Insanity.  To use the Carniflex on Insanity is to basically run out of ammo with it after 2 or 3 enemies, or if popping bosses, run out of ammo after knocking out only a third of their health.

[SlipperehPuppeh]

I dunno, man. The only one I've had trouble with is the Carnifex - but you really shouldn't be using that one that often (Or, rather, the way I play, I barely ever use it).



The Mantis and Widow... I pull those things out, pop Tungsten Ammo on them... And everyone in the room is dead. I don't think I ever ran out of ammo for the Widow (Got close a few times, though... Only 2-3 rounds left on reserve), and I only ran out of ammo maybe once or twice for the Mantis.

[Resonance]

There should always be a reason to select a weapon over its alternatives, with the exception of the collector ship weapons which are designed to be the ultimate for the class and require sacrificing an additional weapon type and all the extra ammo that brings. The Carnifex trades total damage output for damage per second, and if the total capacity on it were any higher, there would never be any reason to select the Predator.



The Mantis has a completely different attack profile than the Viper, again trading single-shot DPS particularly with a booster such as Adrenaline Burst or cloaking for total damage. The Widow's total damage is higher than the Viper's. Don't believe me? Try clearing a large room just with either one, picking up no ammo, and count the bodies when you run dry.



The problem child is the Incisor, which needs its ammo doubled and/or its damage greatly increased and/or its shot speed increased. There is no reason to take the Incisor, ever. It does less DPS than the Viper, and has a damage capacity substantially lower than the Mantis. For a special bonus item, it's remarkably worthless.



The other problem child is the Katana shotgun, which can't stagger like the Scimitar, doesn't have the burst DPS of the Eviscerator, and has a poor total damage capacity. I haven't seen anyone claim that it's a good primary weapon choice. Greatly boosting its damage capacity would create a weapon of choice for people that are always running dry (though given how rarely I run dry with the Eviscerator after the ammo upgrade, it still may obsolete itself before the game is half over).



Oddly, with the release of the Eviscerator, I'd also claim that the Claymore needs either a total ammo upgrade or a damage upgrade or both, because it's so small an improvement over the Eviscerator that I can't ever see giving up the Viper for it on a Vanguard, which kind of goes against the theme of the Vanguard, and the only reason to ever take it on the Soldier is because you think Insanity is too easy and you want a handicap.

[OniGanon]

Predator vs Carnifex- The thing is, the dps difference between Carnifex and Predator isn't really enough to justify taking it on any class that cares at all about their pistol ammo. Carnifex should either have a little more ammo, or do a little more damage. Actually, I think both pistols could do with more ammo.



Viper vs Widow- The Widow per shot does roughly the damage of 5 Viper shots, while also having a fifth of the Viper's ammo. The difference between their DPS is not as huge as most people here seem to believe. The Widow does awesome damage, but cannot fire anything less than the equivalent of 5 Viper shots. The Viper can extend its ammo by using less than 5 shots per enemy and using powers to make up the difference, or it can fire full auto to maximise dps. I'd say the Viper could use a smidgen more ammo to compensate for the fact that you spend much more time out of cover with it. But I could live without that, and say that overall I think these weapons are decently balanced, especially considering there's already opportunity cost in taking the Widow (shotgun training or Revenant).



Mantis vs Viper- I'm sorry but Mantis just loses here. Mantis per shot is roughly 3 Viper shots, and has a sixth the ammo, while losing out on dps too. I just dont know why this weapon has less ammo than the Widow, it's crazy. If it had double its current capacity, it'd be a serious contender. Still wouldn't have the dps of the Viper, but it would have an equivalent amount of ammo and be safer to use.



Incisor- Can't comment a lot here because I don't have it. From what I've seen in some of the vids from Gatsby and cruz1ale it performs similarly or a bit better than the Mantis, but also suffers from crippling ammo problems. It seems the biggest problem is the ammo pickups?



Katana- Although I'm probably one of the only ones, this is actually my shotgun of choice. It's got a balance of fire rate, damage per shot and shots per clip that works beautifully as a comprimise between Eviscerator and Scimitar. The shot-melee-shot rhythm seems to flow better and more reliably for me. With Eviscerator I was more like shot-melee-ohcraptheysurvived-die. Katana does deserve a little more total ammo and ammo on pickup though. And maybe a little more damage to compensate for the relative lack of accuracy vs Evi.



Claymore vs Eviscerator- I would say the Claymore needs more damage, rather than more ammo.