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[Nightwriter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Zulu, let's get to the heart of the matter, shall we?

WHY DO YOU HATE THE ME2 CHARACTERS.

I don't hate all of them. Some of them I liked, namely, Zaeed (active), Legion (active), Mordin (KIA), Samara (active), Jack (KIA). I felt neutral to Miranda (and romanced her for "the looks", active), Jacob (KIA), Garrus (active). But I don't want any of them to steal development resources from the "BIG CHOICES" resolution.

If you post that freaking link one more time...

I will slam you with kitty pictures.

SLAM YOU!!

Modifié par Nightwriter, 15 avril 2010 - 07:39 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nightwriter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Zulu, let's get to the heart of the matter, shall we?

WHY DO YOU HATE THE ME2 CHARACTERS.

I don't hate all of them. Some of them I liked, namely, Zaeed (active), Legion (active), Mordin (KIA), Samara (active), Jack (KIA). I felt neutral to Miranda (and romanced her for "the looks", active), Jacob (KIA), Garrus (active). But I don't want any of them to steal development resources from the "BIG CHOICES" resolution.

If you post that freaking link one more time...

I will slam you with kitty pictures.

SLAM YOU!!

These cat pictures?

http://social.biowar...index/1995545/1

[Nightwriter]

Ah yes, those.



The kittehs.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nightwriter wrote...
I will slam you with kitty pictures.

Oh, please! Slam me with kitty pictures! I love being slammed with KITTY PICTURES!!!

Peppard wrote...
  So to the extent you think players need to be motivated to go back and replay, shouldn't you be thinking that the squad should return in ME3 as more than just cameos? That would increase replay value for ME2.  On the other hand, maybe replay value for the "old" game just isn't that important, if we're back to your argument that content needs to be seen by the most number of players possible.

If content (squamates) is made available by default, that makes no incentive to go back and play prequels. If it is not made available, it will require an equal amount of placeholder content, or, in other words, new squadmates! Tthat are unavailable to the fans, or require them to replay prequels, and that's just ridiculous.

On another hand, cameos / DLC, if available only by importing a ME2 Shepard will require the new guys to buy prequels, and the idiont fans like me, who have killed off some squadmates on purpose and haven't cared to get a "No one left behind" save will have an option to replay the "suicide mission" if they absolutely want to experience 100% of ME3 content. Which I won't.

Peppard wrote...
Just to illustrate what I mean, here's an example (one I've seen thrown around some by other people). Tali is  a popular example, but mainly because she's a popular character and the Quarian/Geth struggle begs to be resolved.  So imagine there's a story arc involving the Quarians and the Geth that ties into the main battle against the Reapers.  I believe you'be posted something about Admiral Xen before....I think she'd make a great mini-villian-boss type fight.  You can easily imagine that IF you have Tali alive, and in your squad, she has more to say to Admiral Xen.  If she's not in your squad, or is dead, then you miss on a little extra dialog but other than that, the whole combat side to the mission, and how the side mission plays into the fight against Reapers, could be exactly  the same. So the mission could reflect Tali, but would not require her to be there.  That same mission could also reflect Legion, but again, not require him to be there.    

Not the Vagrant Fleet again. Shepard's already done what he could about the Quarians and the Geth. We can't just babysit entire races, when the Reapers are coming. Now it's up to the Quarians and the Geth, and the Krogans to come up with the solution of their problems. There are so many places yet to be visited in the Galaxy, starting with Palaven (to beat some sense into the Turians), then Kahje, the Batarian homeworld, Terra / Terra Nova / Shanxi, maybe Volus or Elcor colony, revisit Ilos...  Citadel and Omega are pretty much a must...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2010 - 08:24 .

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If content (squamates) is made available by default, that makes no incentive to go back and play prequels. If it is not made available, it will require an equal amount of placeholder content, or, in other words, new squadmates! Tthat are unavailable to the fans, or require them to replay prequels, and that's just ridiculous.

On another hand, cameos / DLC, if available only by importing a ME2 Shepard will require the new guys to buy prequels, and the idiont fans like me, who have killed off some squadmates on purpose and haven't cared to get a "No one left behind" save will have an option to replay the "suicide mission" if they absolutely want to experience 100% of ME3 content. Which I won't.

Me2 didn't start with the best paragon if you hadn't played previous games.  It was a more neutral/renegade beginning, so if you wanted the best paragon for the trilogy, you'll have to play me1 anyway.  You lost wrex, so if you wanted wrex, you had to go get him in me1. I got me1 for this, they managed to get me to go back and play the previous one.

So if it's the same with me3 without playing previous ones, it'll be a neutral/renegade default start, some squadmates will be alive (probaly the most popular) and some won't, that will make people play the previous ones if they really wanted to get to know the other characters.  There probaly be enough of the me2 cast and when me1 cast rejoins it'll be intresting enough to newbies.

People who want to get the best paragon ending in the game will have to play me1, and then play me2 so they can carry it over to me3.  That is bioware's incentive to play previous ones.

If you have messed it up to get the best paragon ending, that is your fault.  Just play the default me3, if you messed it up so bad.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If content (squamates) is made available by default, that makes no incentive to go back and play prequels. If it is not made available, it will require an equal amount of placeholder content, or, in other words, new squadmates! Tthat are unavailable to the fans, or require them to replay prequels, and that's just ridiculous.

On another hand, cameos / DLC, if available only by importing a ME2 Shepard will require the new guys to buy prequels, and the idiont fans like me, who have killed off some squadmates on purpose and haven't cared to get a "No one left behind" save will have an option to replay the "suicide mission" if they absolutely want to experience 100% of ME3 content. Which I won't.

Me2 didn't start with the best paragon if you hadn't played previous games.  It was a more neutral/renegade beginning, so if you wanted the best paragon for the trilogy, you'll have to play me1 anyway.  You lost wrex, so if you wanted wrex, you had to go get him in me1. I got me1 for this, they managed to get me to go back and play the previous one.

So if it's the same with me3 without playing previous ones, it'll be a neutral/renegade default start, some squadmates will be alive (probaly the most popular) and some won't, that will make people play the previous ones if they really wanted to get to know the other characters.  There probaly be enough of the me2 cast and when me1 cast rejoins it'll be intresting enough to newbies.

People who want to get the best paragon ending in the game will have to play me1, and then play me2 so they can carry it over to me3.  That is bioware's incentive to play previous ones.

If you have messed it up to get the best paragon ending, that is your fault.  Just play the default me3, if you messed it up so bad.

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast.

The other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC Squadmate Pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).

And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Perhaps Miranda will have a larger role (but not necessarily of a squadmate), which is strongly hinted at by her "suicide mission" bulletproofness.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2010 - 10:30 .

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters. 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

[Zulu_DFA]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters.

Just like you with ME1, the people who will haven't played ME2 will play it to keep all characters alive (if they want to), and get the first half of them as wrex-like cameos, and the second as DLC squadmates. Of course the squadmates packed in the DLC won't be available unless the imported imported Shepard saved them in ME2.
 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

What money? I said Free DLC, like Zaeed DLC for ME2.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

Um... yes?

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters.

Just like you with ME1, the people who will haven't played ME2 will play it to keep all characters alive (if they want to), and get the first half of them as wrex-like cameos, and the second as DLC squadmates. Of course the squadmates packed in the DLC won't be available unless the imported imported Shepard saved them in ME2.
 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

What money? I said Free DLC, like Zaeed DLC for ME2.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

Um... yes?

You say the characters should come in dlc but what about the people who can't afford and don't have internet like lots of students who live away from home?  Would suck to be them, I don't think bioware will be that mean to be honest. Yeah you saved them but you can't have them unless you have internet...

If they're going to let you have them as dlc content if you saved them but not if you don't, then why not just put them on the disc?  There are games that come in 4 discs you know.  Kinda seems like a bit of a runaround to me.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters.

Just like you with ME1, the people who will haven't played ME2 will play it to keep all characters alive (if they want to), and get the first half of them as wrex-like cameos, and the second as DLC squadmates. Of course the squadmates packed in the DLC won't be available unless the imported imported Shepard saved them in ME2.
 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

What money? I said Free DLC, like Zaeed DLC for ME2.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

Um... yes?

You say the characters should come in dlc but what about the people who can't afford and don't have internet like lots of students who live away from home?  Would suck to be them, I don't think bioware will be that mean to be honest. Yeah you saved them but you can't have them unless you have internet...

If they're going to let you have them as dlc content if you saved them but not if you don't, then why not just put them on the disc?  There are games that come in 4 discs you know.  Kinda seems like a bit of a runaround to me.

That's a pretty weird argument. I thought everyone with a PC has internet, at least a dial-up. With a laptop you can access Wi-Fi in public places.

Anyway DLC is BioWare's policy, so I bet your poor students have to adjust themselves... The X-box users are much more important for BioWare and EA, and they don't like swapping disks in the middle of a game.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 avril 2010 - 11:22 .

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters.

Just like you with ME1, the people who will haven't played ME2 will play it to keep all characters alive (if they want to), and get the first half of them as wrex-like cameos, and the second as DLC squadmates. Of course the squadmates packed in the DLC won't be available unless the imported imported Shepard saved them in ME2.
 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

What money? I said Free DLC, like Zaeed DLC for ME2.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

Um... yes?

You say the characters should come in dlc but what about the people who can't afford and don't have internet like lots of students who live away from home?  Would suck to be them, I don't think bioware will be that mean to be honest. Yeah you saved them but you can't have them unless you have internet...

If they're going to let you have them as dlc content if you saved them but not if you don't, then why not just put them on the disc?  There are games that come in 4 discs you know.  Kinda seems like a bit of a runaround to me.

That's a pretty weird argument. I thought everyone with a PC has internet, at least a dial-up. With a laptop you can access Wi-Fi in public places.

Anyway DLC is BioWare's policy, so I bet your poor students have to adjust themselves... The X-box users are much more important for BioWare and EA, and they don't like swapping disks in the middle of a game.

Mass effect 2 Xbox 360 users got 2 discs.  Re-released me1 got 2 discs, one of the disc had the dlc "bring down the sky", which meant people who didn't have internet could use it.  Bioware obviously not going to limit the content their customers get.  And how naive of you, if you think everyone has internet, students play a vital role in holding up the game industry.

DLC content might be bioware's policy, but if players earnt the right to bring over characters, they're not going to turn around and say no.  Their dlc for me3 will mostly likely be new characters and missions, not witholding characters you saved.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters.

Just like you with ME1, the people who will haven't played ME2 will play it to keep all characters alive (if they want to), and get the first half of them as wrex-like cameos, and the second as DLC squadmates. Of course the squadmates packed in the DLC won't be available unless the imported imported Shepard saved them in ME2.
 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

What money? I said Free DLC, like Zaeed DLC for ME2.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

Um... yes?

You say the characters should come in dlc but what about the people who can't afford and don't have internet like lots of students who live away from home?  Would suck to be them, I don't think bioware will be that mean to be honest. Yeah you saved them but you can't have them unless you have internet...

If they're going to let you have them as dlc content if you saved them but not if you don't, then why not just put them on the disc?  There are games that come in 4 discs you know.  Kinda seems like a bit of a runaround to me.

That's a pretty weird argument. I thought everyone with a PC has internet, at least a dial-up. With a laptop you can access Wi-Fi in public places.

Anyway DLC is BioWare's policy, so I bet your poor students have to adjust themselves... The X-box users are much more important for BioWare and EA, and they don't like swapping disks in the middle of a game.

Mass effect 2 Xbox 360 users got 2 discs.  Re-released me1 got 2 discs, one of the disc had the dlc "bring down the sky", which meant people who didn't have internet could use it.  Bioware obviously not going to limit the content their customers get.  And how naive of you, if you think everyone has internet, students play a vital role in holding up the game industry.

DLC content might be bioware's policy, but if players earnt the right to bring over characters, they're not going to turn around and say no.  Their dlc for me3 will mostly likely be new characters and missions, not witholding characters you saved.

Last I checked BioWare was owned by Electronic Arts, and run by Ray Muzika. Not by student gamers. [Shrugs] This is going too far into the realm of a totally basedless speculation, so I'm cutting it.

Still I don't see how old squadmates will avail to fueling the main plot better than new squadmates, written from scratch and recruited "on the fly" during main plot missions and not packing any "loyalty" gameplay mechanic.

[Peppard]

Zulu_DFA wrote... 

Peppard wrote...
  So to the extent you think players need to be motivated to go back and replay, shouldn't you be thinking that the squad should return in ME3 as more than just cameos? That would increase replay value for ME2.  On the other hand, maybe replay value for the "old" game just isn't that important, if we're back to your argument that content needs to be seen by the most number of players possible.

If content (squamates) is made available by default, that makes no incentive to go back and play prequels. If it is not made available, it will require an equal amount of placeholder content, or, in other words, new squadmates! Tthat are unavailable to the fans, or require them to replay prequels, and that's just ridiculous.

  Again,what do you think is more important:  incentive to replay a previous game in the series OR providing access to more content for players new to the series or using the default for various reasons? Regardless of whether previous squad are "cool"  cameos or  combat characters,  BW has to decide, so really, this does not tilt one way or the other far as whether to provide only a new squad or to include old characters as combat squad.

On another hand, cameos / DLC, if available only by importing a ME2 Shepard will require the new guys to buy prequels, and the idiont fans like me, who have killed off some squadmates on purpose and haven't cared to get a "No one left behind" save will have an option to replay the "suicide mission" if they absolutely want to experience 100% of ME3 content. Which I won't.  

 FYI: BW is not above allowing fans to handwave prior game decisions to get access to content (see importing a "dead" warden in DA:O.)   If you are not  the kind of player who cares about experiencing 100% of the content, then does it matter to you that there are potential squadmates that you would not have access to using a bloodbath import? Or would it only matter to you as a matter of principle, that you want to make sure your playthrough isn't somehow doomed or gimped because of extra squad ?  
 

Zulu:

Not the Vagrant Fleet again. Shepard's already done what he could about the Quarians and the Geth. We can't just babysit entire races, when the Reapers are coming. Now it's up to the Quarians and the Geth, and the Krogans to come up with the solution of their problems. There are so many places yet to be visited in the Galaxy, starting with Palaven (to beat some sense into the Turians), then Kahje, the Batarian homeworld, Terra / Terra Nova / Shanxi, maybe Volus or Elcor colony, revisit Ilos...  Citadel and Omega are pretty much a must...

I said it was only an example, mainly because it felt like a foreshadowed plot point.  You even say Citadel and Omega are a must, yet that contradicts the notion that you don't want to see a location again so you can explore some new stuff.  Why can't Aria solve her own problems, why return to Omega?  Or you don't mind babysittng her?  I personally would love to go to Palaven, so another example of reflection vs require--Garrus father or his old flexiblity sparring gal.  You have Garrus, he has extra dialog/quips.  He's dead?  No problem, dialog ignores him.

[DarthCaine]

Didn't we already went through this in a couple of other threads?

[HTTP 404]

DarthCaine wrote...

Didn't we already went through this in a couple of other threads?

this thread is so much better than the other ones

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Didn't we already went through this in a couple of other threads?

this thread is so much better than the other ones

agreed.... it was kept an little more civil and better arguements for both points given.

[Nightwriter]

DarthCaine wrote...

Didn't we already went through this in a couple of other threads?

I have no idea of these parallel realities of which you speak.

[HTTP 404]

I enjoy reading these posts. Some really good points without it being devolved to name calling. (just a little)

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wrex business is the way I see it for half the ME2 cast, the other half may be wrapped in Free Day 1 DLC squadmate pack, but have little interaction (like Zaeed & Kasumi, minus "loyalty" missions).
And the default squad will be Liara & Ashley/Kaidan plus 4 to 6 new squadmates.

Sounds fine for people who haven't played me2 but where is the incentive for them to play previous games? If they're dead, they're dead, there was no dlc to bring wrex into me2.  I don't see why they would do that for dead me2 characters.

Just like you with ME1, the people who will haven't played ME2 will play it to keep all characters alive (if they want to), and get the first half of them as wrex-like cameos, and the second as DLC squadmates. Of course the squadmates packed in the DLC won't be available unless the imported imported Shepard saved them in ME2.
 

And how will it work for me2 players who saved them all?  To shell out even more money to get them after saving their ass seems pointless and irritating.

What money? I said Free DLC, like Zaeed DLC for ME2.

Best paragon = all alive = all paragon choices across the triology = forcing you to play from me1 to get best paragon ending

Um... yes?

You say the characters should come in dlc but what about the people who can't afford and don't have internet like lots of students who live away from home?  Would suck to be them, I don't think bioware will be that mean to be honest. Yeah you saved them but you can't have them unless you have internet...

If they're going to let you have them as dlc content if you saved them but not if you don't, then why not just put them on the disc?  There are games that come in 4 discs you know.  Kinda seems like a bit of a runaround to me.

That's a pretty weird argument. I thought everyone with a PC has internet, at least a dial-up. With a laptop you can access Wi-Fi in public places.

Anyway DLC is BioWare's policy, so I bet your poor students have to adjust themselves... The X-box users are much more important for BioWare and EA, and they don't like swapping disks in the middle of a game.

Mass effect 2 Xbox 360 users got 2 discs.  Re-released me1 got 2 discs, one of the disc had the dlc "bring down the sky", which meant people who didn't have internet could use it.  Bioware obviously not going to limit the content their customers get.  And how naive of you, if you think everyone has internet, students play a vital role in holding up the game industry.

DLC content might be bioware's policy, but if players earnt the right to bring over characters, they're not going to turn around and say no.  Their dlc for me3 will mostly likely be new characters and missions, not witholding characters you saved.

Last I checked BioWare was owned by Electronic Arts, and run by Ray Muzika. Not by student gamers. [Shrugs] This is going too far into the realm of a totally basedless speculation, so I'm cutting it.

Still I don't see how old squadmates will avail to fueling the main plot better than new squadmates, written from scratch and recruited "on the fly" during main plot missions and not packing any "loyalty" gameplay mechanic.

Students were really just an example of people who don't have internet or xbox live. 39 million consoles sold worldwide, how many are on xbox live - 17 million worldwide, from official site - www.xbox.com/en-GB/press/dylan_hartley_170310.htm scroll to the bottom to see how many have "logged" on.  There's pontential to make a lot of fans angry if me2 characters come only in dlc form for me3.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be new squadmates but they are not going to dump me2 characters after many have gone through trouble to save them all and only make them dlc, having me2 characters is not going to take away from the main story, it'll be a bonus and bonus content to me3 for those who have saved them. 

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 15 avril 2010 - 03:44 .

[Sand King]

 If must have a new squad we need this guy.

[cachx]

I'm going to copy&paste the opinion I gave on another thread:

The question is not whether they return or not, but in wich capacity
they will be returning. Squaddie? reduced role? gone without a trace?
The amount of variation between each games is enormous (and it grows
exponientally, that's probably one of the reasons why they'll only make 3
games), and it makes sense that Bioware won't waste too much resources
on content that people will never see.

In ME2, the minimum
amount of survivors is 2, but it seems wasteful to make 12 full fledged
characters if you're going to only see 2 in ME3. We know (or have been
led to believe) that Liara + Kaiden/Ash will return. We can presume that
LI's will have a large role, but it's just sad to think that non-Li's
will get "Zaeedified" or "Wrexed".

[Garuda One]

My theory is based on everyone surviving the Suicide Mission and just general knowledge and the Mass Effect Forums.

Honestly to me. Samara, Za'eed and Kasumi will most likely not be in or simply cameos for Mass Effect 3. Samara is bound by oath and once the mission is done in Mass Effect 2 she will relocate and fight crime in her systems again. Za'eed is under contract with The Illusive Man to make sure Shepard survives basically and he does, Za'eed's mission is done and will probably go hunt down the Blue Suns Leader. Kasumi will probably go back to stealing items again.

That leaves eight characters.

Characters that have a major plot devices are Tali and Legion. These two are guaranteed to be in Mass Effect 3.

Characters that have neutral standing. Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Grunt and Jack. Miranda and Jacob are with Shepard and if you disobeyed The Illusive Mans orders Miranda and Jacob have basically no were else to go. Garrus is hard, Garrus is a bro and the main purpose for him being in Mass Effect 2 and the quest line that revolved around him was because he presumed Shepard was dead, the only reason for him to be in Mass Effect 3 would be the most obvious, to finish the fight with the Reapers (again I find this a strong yet a soft plot device). Grunt is another hard one I say he has a 50/50 chance of being in the team. He states to Shepard and or at least I believe he states that he sees Shepard and the team as his clan. On the other hand I believe BioWare stated that they are going to try and bring back all of the characters from Mass Effect. With that being said depending if you killed Wrex in the first one he will again replace Wrex or if you were able to calm Wrex down you'll come across or Wrex will state that he has joined Wrex's clan and because of Wrex's age hopes that Grunt will be the new leader (again this is coming from my ass). Honestly Jack is up in the air somewhere, for me as a player I disliked Jack and I know a lot of my other friends did as well (generalizing) the only reason I would see her to say would be if your Shepard romanced her, lets be honest. If you didn't romance her she wouldn't give a rats ass if the Reapers are coming and will probably see it as a opportunity to go on TPB.org and find some games.

That leaves Thane and Moridan. Moridan is basically, and I'm exaggerating here, Moridan is basically 80 and his candle is almost blown out. Thane has a asthma problem and from the looks of talking to him he barely has any time and any sort of fix for him would probably be when Shepard and his said Romance have babbys.

Everyone should realize by now that or I think that everyone has realized BioWare regularly come to the forums and see what people like. During the production of Mass Effect they came to the conclusion that no one would like a Chicken Footed Master Chief Female Hybrid and look what happens. Tali is in Mass Effect 2 and is a romance option. So let me do one more theory with what I've seen so far on the forums.

I see a lot of  what people like, going by order of population from what I've seen. Tali, Liara, Garrus and Miranda. Kaiden, Ashely, Samara and Jack don't, at least to me have as many fans or not enough fan base to see what BioWare will do but there still fans nonetheless. There is even a smaller numer of Za'eed fans the last time I check but things go so fast on the forums, who knows. I haven't seen one Kasumi thread at all so yeah. I do know people who did like Kaiden (god knows why) Ashely and the "I believe I heard promise from BioWare" that they were going to bring back all the characters from the first game.

So from what I've said basically our team will comprise of... Tali, Liara, Garrus, Kaiden, Ashely, Wrex, Legion and possibly one of the other characters you may have romanced depending which one was the most popular (Only ME2 Characters). Thats eight characters we will probably see and two new characters as well.

[edit] Oh yeah also, InB4 my theory gets completely destroyed and "lmfao says the man who created the theory post"

Modifié par Garuda One, 15 avril 2010 - 04:49 .

[Garuda One]

I'd also like to take the time of possibilities BioWare does have to re-introduce characters into Mass Effect 3 or expansions for Mass Effect 2. I'll be going down the most obvious ones.

-Thane has some sort of asthma issues. BioWare from now to the time when Mass Effect 3 is out could introduce a quest to find and locate a drug to resolve his asthma and would give him new meaning into follow Shepard if not back up what he has gain from being with Shepard in Mass Effect 2.

-Za'eed. At the end of Za'eeds mission you're never able to kill the leader of the Blue Suns, that leaves open for add-ons/expansion;missions/Mass Effect 3 development.

-I really, really liked Samara so this theory is based off of nothing and just a fan ramble. We see that during the course of Mass Effect 2 if you pursue her that she finally and barely turns you down. This could leave room to meeting back up with her and saving her, helping her and bring new meaning to her in order for her to get back on your team.

-They could introduce Mordins... I believe nephew as part of the team for Mass Effect 3 if Mordin was to die of old age.

I am at odds wit and slightly confused and angered at why BioWare made Ashely/Kaiden come out of no where on Horizon and completely herp derp all over the place even though they are the ones I dislike in the entire series. I can't imagine how there fans are like lol.

(Warning: Ranting)
That brings me to something everyone should realize. How they completely herp derped Ashely and Kaiden into one of the most random bull**** conversations in the game and left Liara as a desk clerk at some random Asari Telemarketers building with the excuse that she is tracking down the Shadow Broker. I have to admit its a decent plot cover but still. I don't want to QQ butthurtederp all over the place. Imagen what they may do to the characters we've come across in Mass Effect 2 and have grown on? But also realize that even for me I angst at not being able to have Wrex on my team or Liara that they introduced new characters that I was shockingly surprised I loved.

My honest point is I hope what ever characters they leave out in Mass Effect 3 we don't get some message boy run like with Liara or have characters A and B appear behind a donkey kong barrel and QQ all over the place while I had to fight a giant floating crab with shoot da whoop on Insanity and they did nothing but pick there noses behind said donkey kong barrel.

Modifié par Garuda One, 15 avril 2010 - 05:13 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Garuda One wrote...
 I haven't seen one Kasumi thread at all so yeah.

To be honest, Kasumi is an rising popularity, she could even be an contender for tha tali fans. Plenty of threads have been made of her, and her fan thread is growing by 1-2 pages an day. *shrugs* it usually hangs around on pages 1-3 of this forum.