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[Garuda One]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...
 I haven't seen one Kasumi thread at all so yeah.

To be honest, Kasumi is an rising popularity, she could even be an contender for tha tali fans. Plenty of threads have been made of her, and her fan thread is growing by 1-2 pages an day. *shrugs* it usually hangs around on pages 1-3 of this forum.

Good! I hope so. I haven't even gotten the DLC yet, so far I've half my friends, reviews say it's good and the other half say it's terrible but I'm gonna get it once I have some extra money.

I've also heard that fans raged because she finds Jacob more attractive then Shepard.

Modifié par Garuda One, 15 avril 2010 - 05:42 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Garuda One wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...
 I haven't seen one Kasumi thread at all so yeah.

To be honest, Kasumi is an rising popularity, she could even be an contender for tha tali fans. Plenty of threads have been made of her, and her fan thread is growing by 1-2 pages an day. *shrugs* it usually hangs around on pages 1-3 of this forum.

Good! I hope so. I haven't even gotten the DLC yet, so far I've half my friends, reviews say it's good and the other half say it's terrible but I'm gonna get it once I have some extra money.

I've also heard that fans raged because she finds Jacob more attractive then Shepard.

lol, i haven't quite heard that, but to be honest, she should have been an full fledge squad member straight from the start, if she had been, o my.. how the tides would have turned in my opinon. She also has the grey box (semi-important to the story in my opinon) which contains some secrets you need to get. She has decent combat skills, some say she is broken, but to be honest, most of those players are people who play on insanity for breakfest. For normal people like me, she is an decent addition to the team to the point of where she is now a permament member.

[Garuda One]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...
 I haven't seen one Kasumi thread at all so yeah.

To be honest, Kasumi is an rising popularity, she could even be an contender for tha tali fans. Plenty of threads have been made of her, and her fan thread is growing by 1-2 pages an day. *shrugs* it usually hangs around on pages 1-3 of this forum.

Good! I hope so. I haven't even gotten the DLC yet, so far I've half my friends, reviews say it's good and the other half say it's terrible but I'm gonna get it once I have some extra money.

I've also heard that fans raged because she finds Jacob more attractive then Shepard.

lol, i haven't quite heard that, but to be honest, she should have been an full fledge squad member straight from the start, if she had been, o my.. how the tides would have turned in my opinon. She also has the grey box (semi-important to the story in my opinon) which contains some secrets you need to get. She has decent combat skills, some say she is broken, but to be honest, most of those players are people who play on insanity for breakfest. For normal people like me, she is an decent addition to the team to the point of where she is now a permament member.

Only one image will show how I feel.



Man gotta see if I have a few bills to get this then. I love games with good stories, and BioWare usually provides. Im a big lore freak. Can't wait lol.

Modifié par Garuda One, 15 avril 2010 - 05:57 .

[Siansonea]

I think most squadmates will be back in some form, and I think Liara and Kaidan/Ashley will probably be squadmates in ME3 (though I hope the humans get new hairstyles). I'm pretty sure Miranda and Jacob will be back also, since they are the core squadmates in ME2, though there will probably be two new human squadmate in case either M or J are dead. They could potentially be squadmates in addition to M and J, otherwise they wouldn't get as much 'face time'.

It's a lock that Garrus and Tali will be back as squadmates as well. I just can't see them not doing this. Yes they'll be dead in some saved games, but they're going to be alive in the majority of people's saves.

I think it's likely that Thane, Samara, Zaeed, Jack and Kasumi will be cameos. Having two asari on the squad would violate the 'one of every alien species' trend, so Samara is out. Thane's story progression will probably write him out of the game if the game leaps forward in time too much. Zaeed is a hired gun, and not a terribly dependable one, so he's probably out (plus he's a DLC character). Jack is too unstable a character to suddenly be in it for the long haul. Kasumi is a paid DLC character, and her backstory doesn't really peg her as the self-sacrificing hero type, she's another member on Cerberus' payroll.

Legion and Grunt are still up in the air. I think they're both popular characters, so it's possible they'll be back. I think though that if Wrex AND Grunt are dead in a given playthrough, then that Shepard shouldn't have access to yet another krogan squad member.

I don't know about Mordin. It could go either way, squaddie or cameo.

Personally, I would love it if every single one of them was available as a squad member in ME3. Liara and Samara would probably be my go-to squad. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like a Wrex/Grunt squad as well.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 15 avril 2010 - 06:02 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Garuda One wrote...

Man gotta see if I have a few bills to get this then. I love games with good stories, and BioWare usually provides. Im a big lore freak. Can't wait lol.

I guess I forgot to mention  she is not an LI and does not have an diolog wheel, though her dialog is alot better than Zaeed's. But then, you'll understand why once you played the DLC, didn't want to do any spoilers. >.>

[Garuda One]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Man gotta see if I have a few bills to get this then. I love games with good stories, and BioWare usually provides. Im a big lore freak. Can't wait lol.

I guess I forgot to mention  she is not an LI and does not have an diolog wheel, though her dialog is alot better than Zaeed's. But then, you'll understand why once you played the DLC, didn't want to do any spoilers. >.>

(Rant Incoming!)
It's fine. Me and another forum member had a discussion as to why they've done Kasumi and Za'eed without a dialouge wheel or love scenes per say. Again this was a loose idea but...

You know how in Dragon Age, when we got Shale there were dialogue options but hen the expansion came out - granted I have not played it yet and I haven't heard if they've added her in as a cameo. We came to the conclusion that one possibility was that she had dialogue options and possibly what you chose could have changed what she would say on her dialouge wheel.

I think if they were to go any further with the DLC with these two characters Im thinking it would have costed more to use the VA for simple DLC. Have them say a few things and then come an expansion, try and get those same VAs and let them do more scenes. This way when people purchase the expansion that basically gives BioWare more money and that money will pay the VAs for there work. I think just doing DLC like we've seen so far and to have even more dialogue would have been to much money. But hey, who knows right?

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Garuda One wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Man gotta see if I have a few bills to get this then. I love games with good stories, and BioWare usually provides. Im a big lore freak. Can't wait lol.

I guess I forgot to mention  she is not an LI and does not have an diolog wheel, though her dialog is alot better than Zaeed's. But then, you'll understand why once you played the DLC, didn't want to do any spoilers. >.>

(Rant Incoming!)
It's fine. Me and another forum member had a discussion as to why they've done Kasumi and Za'eed without a dialouge wheel or love scenes per say. Again this was a loose idea but...

You know how in Dragon Age, when we got Shale there were dialogue options but hen the expansion came out - granted I have not played it yet and I haven't heard if they've added her in as a cameo. We came to the conclusion that one possibility was that she had dialogue options and possibly what you chose could have changed what she would say on her dialouge wheel.

I think if they were to go any further with the DLC with these two characters Im thinking it would have costed more to use the VA for simple DLC. Have them say a few things and then come an expansion, try and get those same VAs and let them do more scenes. This way when people purchase the expansion that basically gives BioWare more money and that money will pay the VAs for there work. I think just doing DLC like we've seen so far and to have even more dialogue would have been to much money. But hey, who knows right?

Have no played dragon ages, but will take your word on it. To be honest, they could easily have thrown this into an dialogue wheel, except that when you select something, it will focus on that object during the convostation. Then again, I also think they were experimenting with the no diolgue wheel idea.

[Garuda One]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Man gotta see if I have a few bills to get this then. I love games with good stories, and BioWare usually provides. Im a big lore freak. Can't wait lol.

I guess I forgot to mention  she is not an LI and does not have an diolog wheel, though her dialog is alot better than Zaeed's. But then, you'll understand why once you played the DLC, didn't want to do any spoilers. >.>

(Rant Incoming!)
It's fine. Me and another forum member had a discussion as to why they've done Kasumi and Za'eed without a dialouge wheel or love scenes per say. Again this was a loose idea but...

You know how in Dragon Age, when we got Shale there were dialogue options but hen the expansion came out - granted I have not played it yet and I haven't heard if they've added her in as a cameo. We came to the conclusion that one possibility was that she had dialogue options and possibly what you chose could have changed what she would say on her dialouge wheel.

I think if they were to go any further with the DLC with these two characters Im thinking it would have costed more to use the VA for simple DLC. Have them say a few things and then come an expansion, try and get those same VAs and let them do more scenes. This way when people purchase the expansion that basically gives BioWare more money and that money will pay the VAs for there work. I think just doing DLC like we've seen so far and to have even more dialogue would have been to much money. But hey, who knows right?

Have no played dragon ages, but will take your word on it. To be honest, they could easily have thrown this into an dialogue wheel, except that when you select something, it will focus on that object during the convostation. Then again, I also think they were experimenting with the no diolgue wheel idea.

Probably, I do hope that if they do release more DLC for ME2 that it more dialogue and story around the two new DLC characters, Samara, Thane and maybe Legion. Would be so cool if there was a spy mission and was a smaller verison of the last mission in ME2. Had to have three people. Thane, Samara and Kasumi. Thats basically a Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, James Bond, holy**** this is awesome mission.

[Xanthor]

scyphozoa wrote...

Personally I value all 12 members of the ME2 cast over Liara/Ash/Kaidan. As far as I'm concerned, Liara/Ash/Kaidan are the 3 worst characters from ME1, while Tali, Garrus and Wrex are the 3 I want to see return in ME3.

Hope to see a Liara/Kaidan/Ash cameo again in ME3 8)

I concur

[Zulu_DFA]

Garuda One wrote...

-Za'eed. At the end of Za'eeds mission you're never able to kill the leader of the Blue Suns, that leaves open for add-ons/expansion;missions/Mass Effect 3 development.

???
I think you are missing something.

If you srtick to the plan, that is let Zaeed be in charge of his mission and help him get to Vido instead of helping those poor losers at the factory, Zaeed makes the best use of a thermal clip ever. He pops it into the puddle of kerosine with Vido in the center of it.

Also, you totally miss Zaeed's awesomeness in general. Have you checked this thread, by any chance? Which clearly suggests that Zaeed has his fans. They are just not so mad as other characters cultists.

Overall, Zaeed totally deserves to be in ME3, along with all other ME2 squadmates. Yet, like the others, he must be either Day 1 DLC (which is not going to shock him...) or NPC cameo (leading the Blue Suns, for example).

As for Vido escaping due to Shepard's paragon stupidity, I believe Zaeed can take him down on his own, just like Gianna Parasini nails Anoleis no matter if Shepard fails to help her on that.

[Peppard]

I would be shocked if they don't save some content/ characters for DLC, whether Day 1 free or paid. That's one way I definitely would expect to see EA's influence play out, plus it does get around the disc limit issue.

[RiouHotaru]

Collider wrote...

I have seen a few threads where people have claimed that it is unlikely
or nearly impossible to account for all of the variations possible with
the suicide mission in Mass Effect 2, that it would be a logistical
nightmare.

Not only is it not impossible, it's not such a daunting task as some people would make it.
Basically, whether or not a squad mate could return is binary - 0 or 1. Either 0 they did not survive or 1 they did survive.

Here is a clear way how deceased squad mates could be handled in Mass Effect 3. These possibilties are not mutually exclusive.

a)
Another NPC assumes their position. An example of this would be Urdnot
Wreav, who is the head of the Urdnot Clan if Wrex was killed. This NPC
would
not be a squad mate.Quests involved with this NPC may be altered
slightly or significantly due to the squad mate associated being
deceased.

Some or all quests associated with the squad mate would either be
altered or unavailable. An example of this would be in Mass Effect 2 -
you cannot do the loyalty mission of the squad mate that was killed.
c)
The changes are minor or nonexistent so it almost appears as they had
never died. An example in Mass Effect 2 would be the news story of the
posthumous awards and dedications to the squad mate who died on Virmire.
d)
Not all squad mates would have to return. Zaeed, Kasumi, Samara and
other squad mates for example could very realistically have other
things to do.

Some
people have noted because any squad mate can die in the suicide
mission, those who did survive could not conceivably or realistically
return or have large roles. This is very false. Take for example Ashley
or Kaidan both of which can die, yet were said by Bioware as having a
large role in Mass Effect 3, in addition to being squad mates. It is a
fair point that Ashley or Kaidan have been interchangeable in their
roles so far, as one or the other appears on Horizon. However, what I
have said goes to show that potentially deceased characters can have
large roles.

Bioware has created the high quality games of Mass
Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2, both of which required ample amounts of
effort and talent. It is not beyond their ability to have fan favorites
return in ways that are satisfying to the fans.

In addition, as
we have seen in Mass Effect 2, we have squad mates that can have
important roles in the game or suicide mission yet do not exclude the
possbility of having a satisfactory ending if they are not recruited.

The majority of ME2 was recruiting, gaining the loyalty of, and making sure the survival of our squad. If they do not return, the suicide mission was essentially pointless and most of ME2 invalidated.

Also
take into account that the fans clearly want squad mates to return. And
as Christina Norman has shown with her comments on additional RPG
features in Mass Effect 3, Bioware listens to its fans.

social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2652/
This
poll has almost 50% of respondents saying outright that they would not
purchase Mass Effect 3 if the squad mates did not return. 8% do not
know whether or not they buy the game. Clearly these characters make
Mass Effect what it is.

social.bioware.com/892908/polls/1974/
This poll has over 80% of voters saying that Mass Effect 3 MUST have squad mates return in more significant ways than cameos.

Would like to hear your feedback on the subject matter.

This.  /Thread.

[Zulu_DFA]

RiouHotaru wrote...
 /Thread.

Sorry, unless you are a BW employee, it'll never work.

Anything else?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 avril 2010 - 01:33 .

[Jackal904]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Others are expendable => waste of ME3 resources.

How is that a waste of ME3 resources? A huge aspect of all Mass Effect games are squadmate interactions. Lots of resources are supposed to go towards them. Have you ever played a Mass Effect game?

[Collider]

Jackal, no amount of logic will make Zulu see the errors of his thinking.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Just because it isn't an ideal situation doesn't make this, along with what Bioware did from DA:O to DA:A (an Expansion pack for ****s sake) and what Bioware did from ME1 to ME 2, a high possibility that your Squad would not return from ME 2 to ME 3.

EDIT:  My post makes little sense as I read it out loud.  Basically what I am trying to say is that going by previous trends I would not be surprised if ME 2 squadmates were not in ME 3 in the same capacity as they were in ME 2.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 16 avril 2010 - 01:50 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Jackal904 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Others are expendable => waste of ME3 resources.

How is that a waste of ME3 resources? A huge aspect of all Mass Effect games are squadmate interactions. Lots of resources are supposed to go towards them. Have you ever played a Mass Effect game?

Yes, I have. And I've noticed, that squadmate interactions are more scarce in ME2, than in ME1, aside from their respective "loyalty" missions, that are not going to be there in ME3.
For example, in ME1 each squadmate had 2-4 unique comments for every major location. In ME2, each had just one for Citadel, Omega, Tuchanka and Illium (that is 4 overall).
In ME2 there were almost no intersquad conversations like the ME1's Elevator conversations.
Occasional comments during missions were approximately at the same level.
And most importantly, the returning squadmates, Tali and Garrus, had the least Normandy conversation of all, unless you were willing to romance them. I guess the same will happen to Liara and Ashley/Kaidan, when they return in ME3.

Collider wrote...

no amount of logic will make Zulu...

Show me some.

If you browsed this thread thouroghly, you'd know, that I have conceded a couple of points to my opponents, when presented with facts, and truly logical arguments.

BTW, my EA_BioWare's poll is better than your your poll in terms of statistics, due to fewer options to choose from. Also, throwing in the names of the characters doesn't help to make the respondents cast their votes by reason (and all in one heap at that, while they are in different situations -- some are ME1 SMs who've got their due in ME2, some are those who haven't, and some are ME2 SMs that were meant to be just fodder for the "suicide mission" in the first place.).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 avril 2010 - 02:19 .

[redguppie]

Why do people continue to respond to these kind of threads? You won't convince whoever made the post in the first place of your idea because their already married to their own opinions anyway. this topic  has been beaten to death and it always boils down to two groups

1. The people who think bringing back the characters from ME2 is to expensive and costly, usually this group is made up of those who didn't like the characters from the second or the majority of them(or trolls)

2.those who want both back, usually filled with those who liked all the characters or thought the characters from ME1 were rather bland(or fan boys and girls, while this can apply to liara fans who kinda split between the two camps, the tali base appears to be larger and more vocal)

Just let zulu go on believing what he wants and for god sake zulu let it go, it's just plain boring to see you resurrect this topic again and again and again and again.

Modifié par redguppie, 16 avril 2010 - 02:43 .

[Nivenus]

Thing is this, if BioWare was really worried about cost, they wouldn't have A) included every party member from the first game in cameo roles (or in Tali/Garrus case as romanceable party members) and hired a new team of voice actors - some of them (like Yvonne Strahovski) costing real money - to play an entirely new set of characters - in fact, to play twice as many characters.



If BioWare was so concerned about costs that they'd cut the ME2 team entirely, than they would have just kept the team from ME1. It would have been cheaper and there's no reason they had to have you recruit another team, except for what they felt would best serve the story and make for a better game. So, in the end, I expect BioWare will do the same for ME3: they'll go with what they feel will make the better game, rather than what is most cost efficient.

[HTTP 404]

I definitely can see Legion coming back. If he died in your mass effect game he'll just be "inhabiting" a different geth body. The perk would be if he came back alive from ME2 then Legion will have original body with N7 armor piece and/or blast hole in his body. This could easily be explained in one line or two about how geth are not individuals remember? and would affect cosmetic look only.

[Massadonious1]

I think Zulu just likes recruiting people. Over and over and over again. He'd probably re-recruit Jacob again if he could.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 16 avril 2010 - 05:46 .

[HTTP 404]

Regardless of Zulu's feelings on this, he brings up good points. Storyline wise it would feel very soap opera-ish if a character came back from the dead.



Shephard: "Wha wha whaaat?? you died!"



Miranda: "I may have lost half my face but my love for you keeps me alive!"



or no Squadmate left over



Shephard: "What's this room for?"



EDI: "It was Miranda's, now we leave it empty for sentimental reasons."





I am obviously exaggerating

[Nivenus]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...

I definitely can see Legion coming back. If he died in your mass effect game he'll just be "inhabiting" a different geth body. The perk would be if he came back alive from ME2 then Legion will have original body with N7 armor piece and/or blast hole in his body. This could easily be explained in one line or two about how geth are not individuals remember? and would affect cosmetic look only.

Would that actually work? I got the impression from conversating with it that each geth had an invidiual identity, even if they had thousands of programs making up their consciousness. They're both one and many, if that makes sense, rather than just a representative of the many. Legion's still Legion, in other words, even if it's also host to a bunch of other programs. Would it be possible then just to recreate Legion using the same circumstances or would it, inevitably, be slightly different? You know, genetic algorithims and whatnot (I'm not exactly an expert on programming here).

[Collider]

I got the impression that because Legion does not have a terminal to upload "himself" to the Geth database, if he dies in ME2, "he" effectively "dies."

[HTTP 404]

Collider wrote...

I got the impression that because Legion does not have a terminal to upload "himself" to the Geth database, if he dies in ME2, "he" effectively "dies."

not unless his data core or its equivalent could be recovered to upload it.  Tali in ME1 got a hold of a memory core of a geth.  I could be wrong, if I am, eh so be it.  Just throwing it out there.