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[Loerwyn]

To you, yes. But not to them.

They're not affecting anyone else, so I don't see why a lot of people have issues with it happening. It's not just MMOs that have it, it's happened since the days of chatrooms at least, possibly for centuries if you think about pen-pals and the like.

[Panderfringe]

Know what you should do, OP?



Stop. Caring. About it.

[Ranger115]

They may talk about it a lot, but that's just because they love the game. I mean, my friend and I are gamers, we have a passion for games, and when we hang out we like to talk about games, game news, the gaming industry, and others things yes, but a lot about games. Also I find it hard to criticize when I consider what everyone else talks about. This mostly just goes for guys (fyi, I am a guy), but whenever I'm in class, or hanging out with some of my guy friends, all they talk about is



1. sports

2. cars

3. how awesome they are

4. how they like to use women for sex and then dump them afterwards...



So yeah.... That stuff doesn't interest me, and while I like women, I like actually having relationships. So while a lot of people like talking about that stuff, I prefer to talk about stuff that might not be so popular with everyone else. I would rather talk to someone about games than to pretend to care about how this one guy went to jail for one night over the weekend for being a moron.

[Ingo505]

The guy who started this post is a retard.

[addiction21]

Ingo505 wrote...

The guy who started this post is a retard.

Many know this and yet they continue to give him the attention he is so desperately seeking.

[Seneva]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Casual people are alright. Just wierd when people are so hardcore they marry or "get lucky" online.

Define casual

I'v raided everything there is, just Lich King left to kill yet I only play a few hours per week. Since I raid people call me hardcore but I am much less online then them. 

The Gm did met his wife through WoW.  They got married last year and the whole guild was present. Not an online marriage but an actual marriage. So yeah, these things happen.

[Appolo90]

I guess people can live their lives however they want. Like Shallow said, whatever makes you happy. However, I think if these people were to break away from their obsession and see that they're taking online-only relationships THAT seriously, they would probably yearn for something more... real.

Plus, I'm tired of paying into federal disability programs so they can get their WoW fund- I mean, 'disability' checks.

Modifié par Appolo90, 14 avril 2010 - 01:49 .

[ImperialOperative]

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR

[Shazzammer2]

ImperialOperative wrote...

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR

[ImperialOperative]

Ranger115 wrote...

They may talk about it a lot, but that's just because they love the game. I mean, my friend and I are gamers, we
have a passion for games,stuff that might not be so popular with every

snip

one else. I would rather talk to someone about games than to pretend to care about how this one guy went to jail for one night over the weekend for being a moron.

Just like the only thing women like to do is talk about themselves.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 14 avril 2010 - 03:06 .

[BomimoDK]

Seneva wrote...



Guess I'm one of those people that make you sick. Fortunately for me I am still enjoying my online time with World Of Warcraft. Casually leveling characters and professions.



People like you, I laugh at. You probably lacked the willpower to play the game moderately.

it's not about willpower you ****. it's not something to be ENDURED it's something you have to actually like doing to do it. and he doesn't and i don't. you're playing games for the wrong reason if you think it's about endurance and sadistic, all-nighter challenges. it's about enjoyment. wake up.



though, I'm very sure YOU enjoy it. it's a good game, and it was an OK experience for me... i just felt i went to far and i miss about 90% of the time i spent with it since the enjoyment died after the first ding to 60. i started playing it just as you seem to believe it should... it let to ****... waste of time ENDURING a game with some amazing WILLPOWER if the magic of it has worn off.

get my drift?


I'm angry at your shallow understanding of gaming. it's
not "either you play this, or you're weak" it's "play what you enjoy"

addiction21 wrote...

Ingo505 wrote...

The
guy who started this post is a retard.

Many know this and
yet they continue to give him the attention he is so desperately
seeking.

i never understood how negative attention satisfy trolls... i just don't understand them.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 14 avril 2010 - 03:33 .

[Seneva]

Nerdrage tingling.



When I have the time to play, I play. When I don't have the time to play, I don't. WoW doesn't rule my life. If you don't like the game anymore, simply quit. No one cares if you quit. I certainly don't. If you lack selfcontrol then you have a problem.

If you think the game is about "enduring sadistic all-nighters" then you and I are playing a different game.



My "shallow understanding of gaming" That's a good one. I nearly spilled my coffee reading that.

I couldn't care less if you like a game or not. nor should you care wether I like a game or not.

[ImperialOperative]

BomimoDK wrote...
it's not about willpower you ****. it's not something to be ENDURED it's something you have to actually like doing to do it. and he doesn't and i don't. you're playing games for the wrong reason if you think it's about endurance and sadistic, all-nighter challenges. it's about enjoyment. wake up.



though, I'm very sure YOU enjoy it. it's a good game, and it was an OK experience for me... i just felt i went to far and i miss about 90% of the time i spent with it since the enjoyment died after the first ding to 60. i started playing it just as you seem to believe it should... it let to ****... waste of time ENDURING a game with some amazing WILLPOWER if the magic of it has worn off.

get my drift?

Are you slow?

l2readingcomppl0x

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 14 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[ImperialOperative]

Darht Jayder wrote...

@imperial: No need to insult slow people

I'm not calling him slow

I'm just asking if he's slow, he can easily answer "no" if he wants.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Wow Busomjack, I have to agree....with just everything you said in the whole thread.

[svenus97]

Busomjack wrote...

A in-game marriage? Holy...I've never seen anything that bad.
I did see a male Dwarf and female Night elf cyber-scrogging in the underground tram of Ironforge once when I snuck in with my old Troll warrior. I couldn't understand what they were saying but I was pretty sure it was a scrog since they were both naked next to each other in a discreet area.

Lol

About the first post, I kind of agree, although you are making quite a big of generalization. It would be like saying all White Men are racist and all guys only want sex. Just becase some do it doesn't mean everyone is.

[Busomjack]

BomimoDK wrote...

OP... you started out bad... the truth is truth. but no one wants to talk to a yelling screaming idiot who tells anyone who tries to discuss it with him to **** off or stop crying.

Busomjack wrote...
Or  you can keep posting and bump
the thread up if you'd like.  Give more people a chance to read
my rant, that would be fine with me.

dick move... either cope with the fact that they disagree or get out. stop trolling.

if you want to post it here, that's probrably fine (unless it's against rules) but if you don't want to discuss it and are going to troll anyone who replies... then please **** off, you don't understand the point of a discussion board.

i agree somewhat. i think the consequences for Dragon Age specifically has been that casual gamers have a hard time on easy and more accustomed gamers have it too easy on nightmare. there are a thousand topics on this, i'm sorry i brought it up again but it's somewhat related since it's the consequence of the beyond kindergarden casual gameplay of WoW.

i think it's a problem for people not to be able to socialize beyond what's in front of them. but i can't whack them for it since i can barely socialise outside gaming, movies, books and soccor these days. i see your point and i agree, but just less offensive and profane.

holy ****balls. that marriage thing was creepy. good job getting out while you could.
i, myself got out... many times, but this time for good. it's a game meant to be played over WEEKS and MONTHS... what the hell... progress is impossible in a tempo that leaves you no time in real life... i left with many regrets and grieves about the 2 1/2 months of in game played time i lost. i could have cured cancer with that... or just got a job, rented a flat, got a drivers licence, played other games or just have good times with the friends.

i regret wow, and if i were more pationate, i'd probrably be some mad idiot campaigning against it... but i'm not, to each their own. i just hope more people get out alive.

Dissagreeing with me is fine, I welcome discourse.  What happened however was several posters ignoring the content of the thread alltogether and instead trying to make it a referendum on me personally.

Some of the people who dissagreed with me here have made fair points.  I would agree that not every WOW player is as I described.  There are casual players, there are people who are fine satisfaction in their social life through online gaming.  I can't fault them for that, not every human being's needs are identical.
What I don't like about WOW is that I think it takes otherwise good people and turns them into addicts.
The way I hear fans of WOW describe their experience, it sounds to me like they're finding it more satisfying than fun.  
Honestly, I don't think anyone finds repeating the same daily quests every day, and farming for materials for several hours a day to be fun.  It's a tedious grind but the gratitude and reception from their online friends is what compels them to do it anyways.
WOW takes gaming, an experience which is supposed to be fun and turns it into a full time job.  The players don't work for money though, they work to satisfy a fix.

Modifié par Busomjack, 14 avril 2010 - 06:01 .

[Emperor Mars]

Busomjack wrote...

Why do these people keep on thinking that anyone outside their pathetic social clique gives a damn about their armor sets, their arena ratings blah blah blah?
I'm seriously convinced that these people do not find any entertainment outside of this damn game.  I have been doing some volunteer work recently and a few of the people I have met there are World Of Warcraft gamers and let me tell you, they are IMPOSSIBLE to socialize with.
No matter what subject I bring up be it games, sports, hobbies, books, movies etc. they'll just say

"yeah, thats nice...anyways let me tell you about this time I was farming for gems..."

I have to wonder.  Were these people such hopeless, shallow, uninteresting losers before they started World Of Warcraft or did World Of Warcraft destroy them?
Nobody else cares about how many points they can put into their stat bar.  It's not like your tombstone is going to mention how you killed Arthas in an elite raid.

I'm sick of this stupid game and it's legion of it's idiot fans who have no lives.  They should not be considered real gamers.  Real gamers play a variety of games, they don't dedicate their lives to a guild as if it's a full time job.
I don't even think these people find the game fun.  Nobody ever talks about the actual game, they talk only about the rewards like armor sets, weapons, titles, and achievments.  That is all that drives them.  They seek out these rewards like a crack addict seeks out a fix.  Thesepeople aren't gamers, they're slaves.

Anyways, yeah...just thought I'd rant a bit.  WOW sucks.

Ho ho troll or not I am gonna rip this apart piece by piece. (sorry golf lovers but I am gonna use golf in all my examples)
1. Differnet areas of interest conflct with others. For example Mr. Troll, if you came up to me and started talking about how you posted this thread on the interent about how a game sucked, and thought it was hilarious, I would think you are an unteresting fool, like how you think WoW players are uninteresting fools. "So Why do these people keep on thinking that anyone outside their pathetic
social clique gives a damn about their armor sets, their arena ratings
blah blah blah?" could easily be Why do these people keep on thinking that anyone outside their pathetic
social clique gives a damn about their golfing scores, club usage blah blah blah"
2.Other forms of entertainment---I read, play other games and am an amatuer blacksmith. My older brother rockclimbs, has a wife and a job. My little brother does crap around his school usually with the theater department and has a girl friend. We all have other areas of interest, and other things that entertain us. For example, a golfer might also play poker, or hell even play WoW.
3. Impossible to socialize with--this one was funny because we has not tried socializing with hard core anime fans....that **** is impossible if you dont like, or have only seen some anime. My closest friends love the stuff...I am apatheic to it, so when they yammer on and on about it, all I can tthink is damn these guys are boring. The same thing happens when I yammer about warcraft to them, but we are friends and have a mutual interest and similar personalities.
4. Completely focused on WoW--okay ,yeah, people who brag about their epenis's on any game are annoying. But this is not just a thing in WoW. I know people who I will say "So yeah I was walking to class when " then they but in and say "Hey that reminds me of when I hit a guy with a knife halfway across the map" or "hey that reminds me of when I got in a sand trap this one time.". These people exist outside of WoW is basically what I am saying.
5. I study history, have a close circle of friends, and get good grades. My brother is married, and has a job related to his degree despite being fresh out of school. My little brother sings, does theater, gets decent grades, and has a girl friend. Basically we are not all socially inept losers (well Im socially inept but would qualify myself as a dork not as a loser, you half fail hard at alot of things to be a loser.)
6. E-penis's exist in every game, not just WoW.
7. Quite a few people play WoW for the story, but in orde to see more content they need better gear.
8.Guilds are sometimes groups of people that actually know each other (such as mine and others I have been in) they are more like Warcraft Clubs then guilds, a group of people united by a similar interest.
9.Talking about the game---when talking to other players, WoW fills in areas where idle small talk usually comes it, for example, instead of "How is weather" its "How was your raid" Because my brother and I dont actually give a damn about the weather in our differnet parts of the state we live in, but WoW does interest us, then we talk about real stuff, my classes, his work and wife etc.
10. Who the hell talks about farming for gems!? Unless something interesting happened like "So when I was farming for gems the time lost proto drake spawned in front of me." (the TLPD is a very, very rare spawn that drops a unique mount and is prized by players who manage to get them) Then us fellow wow players dont care that you farmed gems.


10 points, good even number to end this on. Next time you rant or try and troll, try not to fail at it so much..or atleast to stereoype all WoW players like that. Thats like saying all forum trolls are pre pubescent boys, covered in cheeto dust, who crave anger to support their own wretched  heart. Which is not true, I know atleast one person who does it out of pure psychological interest. Forgive my spelling and grammar errors, I am tired and my brain is saving is total functionality for class later today.

To OP--thanks for posting this, gave me something to do while I wait for my next class.

[Busomjack]

Emperor Mars wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Why do these people keep on thinking that anyone outside their pathetic social clique gives a damn about their armor sets, their arena ratings blah blah blah?
I'm seriously convinced that these people do not find any entertainment outside of this damn game.  I have been doing some volunteer work recently and a few of the people I have met there are World Of Warcraft gamers and let me tell you, they are IMPOSSIBLE to socialize with.
No matter what subject I bring up be it games, sports, hobbies, books, movies etc. they'll just say

"yeah, thats nice...anyways let me tell you about this time I was farming for gems..."

I have to wonder.  Were these people such hopeless, shallow, uninteresting losers before they started World Of Warcraft or did World Of Warcraft destroy them?
Nobody else cares about how many points they can put into their stat bar.  It's not like your tombstone is going to mention how you killed Arthas in an elite raid.

I'm sick of this stupid game and it's legion of it's idiot fans who have no lives.  They should not be considered real gamers.  Real gamers play a variety of games, they don't dedicate their lives to a guild as if it's a full time job.
I don't even think these people find the game fun.  Nobody ever talks about the actual game, they talk only about the rewards like armor sets, weapons, titles, and achievments.  That is all that drives them.  They seek out these rewards like a crack addict seeks out a fix.  Thesepeople aren't gamers, they're slaves.

Anyways, yeah...just thought I'd rant a bit.  WOW sucks.

Ho ho troll or not I am gonna rip this apart piece by piece. (sorry golf lovers but I am gonna use golf in all my examples)
1. Differnet areas of interest conflct with others. For example Mr. Troll, if you came up to me and started talking about how you posted this thread on the interent about how a game sucked, and thought it was hilarious, I would think you are an unteresting fool, like how you think WoW players are uninteresting fools. "So Why do these people keep on thinking that anyone outside their pathetic
social clique gives a damn about their armor sets, their arena ratings
blah blah blah?" could easily be Why do these people keep on thinking that anyone outside their pathetic
social clique gives a damn about their golfing scores, club usage blah blah blah"

-No kidding.  What do you think I expected?  Rainbow galore and kumbayah?  Name calling and personal attacks however do not belong in a serious discussion.

2.Other forms of entertainment---I read, play other games and am an amatuer blacksmith. My older brother rockclimbs, has a wife and a job. My little brother does crap around his school usually with the theater department and has a girl friend. We all have other areas of interest, and other things that entertain us. For example, a golfer might also play poker, or hell even play WoW.

Good for you.  My point though is that it is not entertainment, but rather satisfaction through a fix.  I'll be the first to admit that the raids in WOW are a lot of fun.  However, even long after they've gotten boring these people will run them 1000 times if necessary all just for one drop.  I know how it is, I've heard WOW gamers cry over ventrilo over an item not dropping like a crack addict being a fix. 
3. Impossible to socialize with--this one was funny because we has not tried socializing with hard core anime fans....that **** is impossible if you dont like, or have only seen some anime. My closest friends love the stuff...I am apatheic to it, so when they yammer on and on about it, all I can tthink is damn these guys are boring. The same thing happens when I yammer about warcraft to them, but we are friends and have a mutual interest and similar personalities.

-Apples and oranges.  Anime does not demand anything out of the viewer.  You can watch it anytime at your leisure.  WOW on the other hand literally requires a tremendous commitment for a majority of the content.  Think about it, you can't just join a raiding guild and expect to participate if you play just a few times a week?  WOW is like an additional responsibility in one's life.  You're not playing for yourself anymore, you're playing for everyone elses sake.  They require you, and you require them.  It's that sense of mutual need which fills the void in these people's social lives.  They don't feel needed or important in the real world but all of the sudden they're badass in WOW.

4. Completely focused on WoW--okay ,yeah, people who brag about their epenis's on any game are annoying. But this is not just a thing in WoW. I know people who I will say "So yeah I was walking to class when " then they but in and say "Hey that reminds me of when I hit a guy with a knife halfway across the map" or "hey that reminds me of when I got in a sand trap this one time.". These people exist outside of WoW is basically what I am saying.

In WOW though, this is practically the only reason why anyone plays.  Why else do people dedicate half their lives or more to doing the same monotnous task every single day?  It's because they crave that day when they can walk around Ogrimmar, Ironforge or wherever with their new pretty "dress" to show off to all their friends...that is until the next patch comes out rendering it obsolete and repeating the vicious cycle all over again.

5. I study history, have a close circle of friends, and get good grades. My brother is married, and has a job related to his degree despite being fresh out of school. My little brother sings, does theater, gets decent grades, and has a girl friend. Basically we are not all socially inept losers (well Im socially inept but would qualify myself as a dork not as a loser, you half fail hard at alot of things to be a loser.)

It's an anecdotal argument but yeah, every rule has exceptions.

6. E-penis's exist in every game, not just WoW.

You said that already and I addressed it...moving on.

7. Quite a few people play WoW for the story, but in orde to see more content they need better gear.

Yet even after they see the storyline, they'll run the same instances again and again and again if they don't get what drops.  Even if there is an expansion pack right around the corner that will render all of it obsolete.

8.Guilds are sometimes groups of people that actually know each other (such as mine and others I have been in) they are more like Warcraft Clubs then guilds, a group of people united by a similar interest.

Guilds are essential for seeing all of the content in WOW and they require a tremendous amount of dedication on behalf of the player.  No longer do you play at your own leisure, you do so because your guild demands it of you.  Guilds are more like gangs.  Usually it's just a few guilds per server which have access to the top of the line content and the players in the guild are at the mercy of the higher echelon since they have nowhere else to go if they wish to participate in high end content.

9.Talking about the game---when talking to other players, WoW fills in areas where idle small talk usually comes it, for example, instead of "How is weather" its "How was your raid" Because my brother and I dont actually give a damn about the weather in our differnet parts of the state we live in, but WoW does interest us, then we talk about real stuff, my classes, his work and wife etc.

It's more than just a casual interest for many gamers, it's literally the only hobby they have.  How is that a surprise though?  When people are expected to dedicate several hours a day to a game, how can they be expected to have time for other hobbies?
That is why the people I've spoken with who play WOW find no entertainment in anything else.  Any subject I bring up quickly goes back to being about WOW.

"10. Who the hell talks about farming for gems!? Unless something interesting happened like "So when I was farming for gems the time lost proto drake spawned in front of me." (the TLPD is a very, very rare spawn that drops a unique mount and is prized by players who manage to get them) Then us fellow wow players dont care that you farmed gems."

WOW players do.  When you're a slave to a computer game, being able to survive getting "ganked" by a rogue while farming for gems is usually the highlight of your day.


10 points, good even number to end this on. Next time you rant or try and troll, try not to fail at it so much..or atleast to stereoype all WoW players like that. Thats like saying all forum trolls are pre pubescent boys, covered in cheeto dust, who crave anger to support their own wretched  heart. Which is not true, I know atleast one person who does it out of pure psychological interest. Forgive my spelling and grammar errors, I am tired and my brain is saving is total functionality for class later today.

To OP--thanks for posting this, gave me something to do while I wait for my next class.

Next time you try to "pwn me" try to actually say something substantive.  For all you typed, you said very very little.

Now while you write your book length response.  I'm going to go to go take a run around the park.  Got to prepare for the half marathon.