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Tharukor

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I found this article newsworthy so I wanted to share it with you, I hope this hasn't been posted already. :]
Here's the source : http://www.gamepro.c...-mass-effect-2/

[Edit : The copy/paste didn't went so well sorry]

The Real Science of Mass Effect 2
by Andrew Groen April 13, 2010 17:03 PM PST

With the help of respected scientists, including astrobiologists, particle physicists, astronomers, artificial intelligence researchers, and a holographics expert, we set out to learn how much of the technology in the game is based on reality.

While science fiction and high-fantasy are similar in that they both allow authors to create realities out of the impossible, they are different in terms of how the two genres approach their particular brand
of fantasy. In Dragon Age: Origins for instance, BioWare really didn't have to adhere to any preexisting notions of what the world they created could and could not be because of the player's general acceptance of magic and mysticism. But with Mass Effect 2, the hard science in the game requires a more carefully considered approach. Some of the strongest sci-fi has a basis in reality, which leads us to our next question: How much of the technology and science presented in Mass Effect 2 is pure fantasy and how much is actually plausible? We called upon the help of several scientists, including astrobiologists, particle physicists, astronomers, artificial intelligence researchers, and a holographics expert, to see if modern science can give us a better understanding of the technology in Mass Effect 2.
In Mass Effect 2, Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) constructs are approached with extreme skepticism, as their mere presence hints at a certain amount of desperation in Commander Shepard's mission. Throughout the history of science fiction, man has been terrified of the amount of trust it places in machines, and is even more
terrified that one day that trust will be exploited.


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The Machine Uprising

"Like most artificial intelligence researchers, I believe that A.I. systems will someday be considered self-aware," says David Chin, an artificial intelligence researcher at the University of Hawaii, and avid Mass Effect fan. "This view is not without controversy though-there are a number of prominent philosophers that consider this impossible."

"A.I.'s would need a good rational reason to destroy or harm us." -David Chin, artificial intelligence researcher

So the logical question that follows is whether or not we have anything to fear from these self-aware intelligences, as the denizens of Mass Effect's universe so clearly do. "It would be hard to imagine A.I.'s as more emotional and less rational than humans," Chin says. "A.I.'s would need a good rational reason to destroy or harm us. Humans and A.I.'s would most likely not compete for scarce resources, so there don't seem to be rational reasons why A.I.'s would want to eliminate humans."

"Though, if we build ecological morality into our A.I.'s, then they might figure out that humans are too numerous for the good of Earth and institute a population-control plan like the Genophage imposed on the Krogans in Mass Effect," Chin continues.

Verdict Plausible


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Numerous Alien Races

In the 1960s, astrophysicist Frank Drake created an equation that would allow scientists to calculate, albeit with a very low degree of certainty, the number of advanced civilizations (if any) in our Galaxy. It uses factors that are easy to quantify, such as the number of planet-harboring suns in the Milky Way (around 400 billion), and combinesthem with more difficult estimates like the probability of life arising, and the further chance that intelligence will arise in those life forms.

"Our own example of an advanced civilization on Earth leads others not to have such high hopes of longevity." -Harold Geller, astrobiologist and professor at George Mason University

Mass Effect shows us approximately 15 different alien races, but is this a plausible number? Famed astronomer Carl Sagan once illustrated that if only 1 percent of civilizations can escape self-extinction and survive for galactic time-scales, our galaxy could have upwards of 1 million civilizations. So is Mass Effect pessimistic about the Milky Way's life-supporting qualities?

"I believe this number of civilizations to be reasonable number," says Professor Harold Geller, an astrobiologist at George Mason University. "I would consider it to be neither very optimistic nor very pessimistic."

"There are those who like to point out that the number is most dependent on the life span of an advanced civilization, and our own example of an advanced civilization on Earth leads others not to have such high hopes of longevity."

Though Geller notes that there are still many people-known as "rare Earthers"-who hold that life-bearing planets are extremely uncommon, the number of civilizations in the galaxy is likely just one.

Verdict Possible



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Faster-than-Light Travel

Traveling faster than the speed of light is an essential component of nearly all science fiction that involves interstellar travel. Due to the mind-bogglingly vast distances between stars, there's simply no other explanation as to how species could interact or new worlds could be explored.

"All scientific evidence points to the fact that the speed of light is the upper limiting velocity of all things material in this universe." -Professor Harold Geller

"I'm afraid all scientific evidence points to the fact that the speed of light is the upper limiting velocity of all things material in this universe," notes Professor Harold Geller. But BioWare wasn't careless enough to knowingly contradict the most famous equation in all of science: E = mc2, which states that energy equals mass multiplied the speed of light squared. The equation basically states that energy and mass are the same thing, and explains that nothing with mass can travel at or above the speed of light.

So BioWare invented a workaround-the titular "mass effect field." This ancient alien technology, stumbled upon by mankind deep beneath the surface of Mars, creates a corridor through space that lowers the mass  of everything within it and raises the speed of light allowing for much faster travel. While this explanation theoretically makes sense, it exists entirely in fantasy and thus it is impossible to speculate whether or not it could ever come to fruition.

Verdict Unknown



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Intergalactic Skype


Perhaps the most complicated and technical aspect of Mass Effect 2 is its communication system. It is explained that to communicate with the Illusive Man instantaneously from thousands of light years away, the Normandy employs a system called "quantum entanglement," a real-life theory that shows that a coupling of photons will change polarity at the exact same time no matter if they are 10 inches apart or 10 billion miles apart.

"Bottom line: It doesn't make sense." - Sheldon Stone, particle physicist

Mass Effect 2 tells us that one part of a pair of these particles is embedded in the Normandy, and the other in Cerberus headquarters. When one of the particles is changed, the other reflects the change immediately. From there, a system not unlike interstellar Morse Code is used to transfer information. But could this actually work, or is this a distortion of the theory?

"Bottom line: It doesn't make sense," says Sheldon Stone, a particle physicist at Syracuse University. He explains that it is impossible to know whether the polarity will end up positive or negative once you change it because the result is random. According to quantum physics, it is fundamentally impossible to influence which polarity you'll get.

Verdict False



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Floating Holograms



For decades sci-fi fans have been enthralled by the possibilities of holographics, reaching a high point with famous floating holograms of Darth Vader and Princess Leia from the Star Wars movies. Mass Effect also uses holograms extensively, from the Normandy's computer displays, to the projection of their A.I. construct EDI, and even the ever-present omni-tool worn on the arm of many characters.

"Hollywood and a zealous popular media have exaggerated the reality of holograms, leaving most people with unrealistic concepts and expectations of the genuine article." -Richard Bruck, professor of Holography at Columbia College Chicago

But Richard Bruck, professor of Holography at Columbia College Chicago, says that this popular view of holograms is a distortion of reality. Real-life holograms, he says, are much different.

"Seduced by the idea of Super Man's Jor-El or Princess Leia suspended ethereally in our presence, Hollywood and a zealous popular media have exaggerated the reality of holograms, leaving most people with unrealistic concepts and expectations of the genuine article," Bruck says.

He says that while the technology isn't necessarily impossible, these would not be holograms. It would require an entirely separate technology apart from holography in order to accomplish these types of free-floating images.


Verdict Plausible


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Krogan Biology

Krogan soldiers are notoriously difficult to kill-anybody who played a Mass Effect game can attest to that. Krogans are a large, reptilian species that evolved to support multiple sets of backup organs and even a secondary nervous system to help them survive their species' constant wars and battling. We asked an evolutionary biology researcher at UCLA whether or not this sounds like a likely scenario.

"Certainly the form and feature of life today have been shaped by evolutionary forces that relate to struggles within and between species." -Michael Alfaro of the UCLA Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology

"Certainly the form and feature of life today have been shaped by evolutionary forces that relate to struggles within and between species," says Michael Alfaro of the UCLA Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. "Backup organs and nervous systems are a bit far-fetched, though. The main problem is that these systems are expensive. If one lineage has the redundant set of organs, that means in an absolute sense that fewer resources are available to procreate."

Alfaro explains that while the extra organs and backup nervous system would allow Krogans to be better equipped for survival, it wouldn't necessarily aid in the birth of the next generation, which is the key component of evolutionary theory. In his words, "in biology, it's usually all about the copulation." He adds, though, that fish have an entirely separate nervous system that takes over to help them escape predators, so there is precedent for these types of survival mechanisms in our own world.

Verdict Possible

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Nice.



I actually admire the Mass Effect series to create a logical, working universe according to real life physics/etc. without using this "We invented that YouKnowThingy". All they did insert was the Mass Effect Fields and *bamm*, everything makes sense or is at least not improbable like for example wormholes etc. featured in most SciFi's!

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Nice read, thanks for posting it.



I've always liked that Mass Effect was at least plausible and not completely unrealistic notions.

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Tharukor

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Here's a video interview on the same topic :

Enjoy


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Silvanend

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Interesting...

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Silvanend

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Interesting...

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I think the Mass Effect theory was influenced by the strings theory, but altered for convenience into something decidedly incorrect, so we wouldn't end up with endless debates about true or false here, while the developers wouldn't have to go into more detail about string theories themselves..

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Dethateer

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You didn't address eezo itself.

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Walrusninja

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You know what isn't plausible : that I can't get a robot to feed my damn fish!!!!!!! but I got 1 flying de ship ?!?! :o ... well a robot/ai and a Joker.



Anyways , nice post. I think the fact that it is a believable universe really pulls you in. The second you hear "time travel" or "warp 5" in games , your bs alerts go mad and it totally breaks immersion. Honestly I find ME more believable than politics. Respect for the great post.

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AngryFrozenWater

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Thanks for the link!

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AngryFrozenWater

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BTW: I really liked the video clip from GTTV ;)

Thanks again!

Edit: I made Tharukor's link clickable... Click The Science of Mass Effect 2.

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Walrusninja wrote...

You know what isn't plausible : that I can't get a robot to feed my damn fish!!!!!!! but I got 1 flying de ship ?!?! :o ... well a robot/ai and a Joker.

Anyways , nice post. I think the fact that it is a believable universe really pulls you in. The second you hear "time travel" or "warp 5" in games , your bs alerts go mad and it totally breaks immersion. Honestly I find ME more believable than politics. Respect for the great post.


First off, love the find OP. That's a great article. Tieing into what Walrusninja said, 100% agreement from me. That's one of the main reasons why I love Mass Effect. It's a future that's totally possible. All we need to do is explore Mars a little more and blow-up Charon....

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Dethateer

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It's not possible because the mass of a substance cannot be changed.

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Dethateer wrote...

It's not possible because the mass of a substance cannot be changed.


My apologese, I should have said believeable instead of possible. Poor choice of wording on my part. But yes, it isn't possible due to the fact that mass cannot change. It's still believeable though, which makes it fun.

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dang i was hoping there would be something about biotics

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I was hoping that it would include the principle fictional science that Mass Effect holds so centrally in its fiction. Which of course are....Mass Effect fields.



Id like to hear if that is in any way scientifically possible or not.

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Dethateer wrote...

It's not possible because the mass of a substance cannot be changed.


Well Dethateer you need to bone up on physics.  Ever heard of Einstein's famous formula E=mc**2   which concisely states the relationship between mass and energy, including changing "the mass of a substance" into energy.  For example, a small amount of the mass contained in a hydrogen bomb is converted into a helluva lot of energy (e=mc**2) through fusion.  And by the way, our Sun is a fusion reactor which converts millions of tons of hydrogen every second into slightly fewer millions of tons of helium plus gobs of energy (visible light, ultrviolet light, gamma radiation and many other forms of electromagnetic radiation). So yes, the mass of a substance CAN be changed.

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A fundamental rule of the universe is that mass cannot be destroyed. To change the mass of an object, you'd have to change the object itself somehow. E = mc^2 is relativistic mass, equal to the same amount of total energy into which an object traveling at light speed will turn. As such, making something smaller in size doesn't mean it will become less heavy. Image IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

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The FTL travel in ME is via worm holes, so there is no violation of the speed of light. They don't travel faster than c, but create a shortcut in the universe.



PS: mass can most certainly be destroyed, e.g. electron + positron, and mc^2 is rest mass only.

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nice work finding this article, i guess now we should be slightly more worried about being wiped out by giant space calamari now though..

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Dethateer wrote...

It's not possible because the mass of a substance cannot be changed.


Thats...treading on some interseting ground.  There's some pure-math models, and a few recently discoverd anomolies involving singularities, that are causing some raised eyebrows from astrophysicists.  It's why the FTL portion of the article rates an Unknown rather than impossible.

Theres particles that technically move faster than light, but don't abide by the E=MC2 rules.  A big reason Hadron was constructed was to look at this.

Massive Gamma Ray Bursts (GRB's) of the largest variety flat out violate the speed limit through sheer AWESOME power output.  Their discovery, and the proof of just how godawful fast they can move tossed a gigormous moneky wrench into our current interpretation of physics.  The two GRB's noted to actually generate a beam of concentrated gamma rays moving at FTL speeds were the result of hidsously Supermassive stars** grew so huge that singularies formed at their centers.

The result?  Universe shaking kaboom.

Note, I said "our current interpretationm of phsyics."  Give us another twenty years, and we'll have to rewrite the whole dammed book.  Again.  200?  I wish I could live that long, just so I could look on in wonder.


**Hiedously massive as in, were one placed where the sun is, the outer carona would envelop the goddamed Kuiper Belt.

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HughChardon wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

It's not possible because the mass of a substance cannot be changed.


Well Dethateer you need to bone up on physics.  Ever heard of Einstein's famous formula E=mc**2   which concisely states the relationship between mass and energy, including changing "the mass of a substance" into energy.  For example, a small amount of the mass contained in a hydrogen bomb is converted into a helluva lot of energy (e=mc**2) through fusion.  And by the way, our Sun is a fusion reactor which converts millions of tons of hydrogen every second into slightly fewer millions of tons of helium plus gobs of energy (visible light, ultrviolet light, gamma radiation and many other forms of electromagnetic radiation). So yes, the mass of a substance CAN be changed.


There's the issue. You can't change the mass of a substance without modifying the substance itself. Unless you're not counting the transformation of hydrogen into a heavier element and energy as a modification to the substance.

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Correct. So far as we've seen and documented, the Laws of Conservation of Matter and Energy cannot be broken. Attempting to do so pisses off Yog-Sothoth, and bad **** happens after that.

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Like... the Awakening of the Great Sleeping One?
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Lord, wasn't mass in E=mc sq the amount of matter that is available for conversion into energy?

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Its nice to see some truth, but im upset about quantum entangle

ment, i really liked this idea