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[Xanthor]

a group of followers can't accomplish much without a leader

[Remus Artega]

eisc0rn wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...

Dr. Chackwass pretty much summarized it. He is someone that you can hold onto, the place where you can breath freely... he stabilizes others and that is something you can't learn ...it is in him...he can bear troubles of others and solve them...

said the guy with the picture of renegade shepard as his avatar.

Is something wrong with that?

[8erserker]

Lemonwizard wrote...

Except really, most of the stuff you listed about squaddies is really just a bunch of huff and puff on their background that doesn't even really get showcased that much. Miranda a brilliant tactician? Did you even play the suicide mission?

The first human spectre who singlehandedly held off an entire army of pirates during the Skyllian blitz, defeated hordes of rachni on Noveria, hundreds of Thorian creepers on Feros, took out an entire base full of Geth and Krogan on Virmire, punched his way through the very center of the Geth's defenses on Ilos, fought his way up the citadel tower in zero gravity with magnetic boots, saved the galaxy from utter destruction....

All that stuff could go under Shepard's bullet point. And all that stuff is actual actions, not just reputation hype. You think Commander Shepard doesn't stand out because you're choosing not to look at the things that make him stand out, which are the player's actions with him. And man oh man, does he stand out. Just his beginnings aren't quite as shiny as a few of the other squaddies.

Yes, I played the suicide mission. And she is a leader and tactician. The little character blurbs during the suicide mission even say she is. I have to decide what, in the game, is open to player interpretation and what isn't. Her in-game description is something I believe she just is, no going around it.  The "huff and puff" is also based on in-game stuff, unless you can convince me they are not. Grunt is exactly what I described him as. Samara really did stop a conflict with her presence. Jack really is that powerful. I'm trying to be accurate about what I write down about them, not subjective.

I think your examples are mostly based on gameplay experience, though. Like, another poster said that the squaddies are inferior to Shepard in in-game combat. That's more of a game practicality, which I don't think should go into interpreting how powerful each character is to each other. I know my Shep didn't shoot more than 100 creepers on Feros, but if yours did, then it depends on the player. And magnetic boots... That's just equipment.

I see your point though. I'm not sure I agree with how you presented it, but I do understand where you're coming from.

Garuda One wrote...

OP I am going to hate myself to compare this because firstly I dislike anime to a great extent. I hate Weeaboos and despise that entire franchise and the people that revolve around it. However I still enjoy some of the anime that spawns forth the bowels of Japan.

Best way I can compare Shepard to the way you describe him/her is this, granted this is a fast post because Im on someone else computer visiting and they're talking to someone on the phone.

Have you ever watched Code Geass? The Main Character, granted has an ability to control whoever he wants, which he uses a lot but he also has charismatic qualities as well. Honestly the only things he has going for him minus the eye is he's extremely intelligent and can make most people follow him.

Shepard granted, not as powerful as the people you listed. He/she, in my opinion the only one who could keep such a ragtag team of characters in line and be able to have them fight right next to each other.  Thats Shepards ability, power can be looked at differently and the abilities that revolve around it. In a RPG a healer, though easy to kill and can't go up to a enemy and wack it with there stick has amazing healing abilties to support the warrior. Shepard is a Leader for a reason, that is his abiltiy, thats his strength and his fighting ability maybe to an extent not as powerful as Jack, Samara or Grunt but his manipulation, the way he handles every small and big thing out weights anything any of them could ever do.

Yea I don't watch much anime either. But I'd buy into this explanation. I've never seen Code Geass, but good analogy! Thanks for sharing it!

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Modifié par Jorran Khaar, 14 avril 2010 - 05:18 .

[Tamahome560]

He's an N7 ... That's highest level of Human special forces and he is the Councils best Spectre. I assume (direct control) that he is an exceptionally good marksman, hand to hand expert ( taken out 2 turians (Samara Loyalty quest) who are generally tougher than softy humans( both 1 hit KO'd) ), strong human biotic and/or good tech( class based), skilled in use of many types of weapons, exceptionally strong willed, natural leader, tactician, negotiator and has fine hacking skills.



Garrus could hold off all the merc bands on Omega + Freelancers for a very long period of time ... I believe Shepard could do better than him maybe even win against them but that's just my opinion.

[Terraneaux]

Speaking of Shep's combat prowess, I wish there was an option to laugh patronizingly at Jack when she threatens you.

[Jack Package]

Legion says it: His/her genes are superior.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Jack Package wrote...

Legion says it: His/her genes are superior.

More proof Legion is a creepy stalker?

[Lemonwizard]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

Yes, I played the suicide mission. And she is a leader and tactician. The little character blurbs during the suicide mission even say she is. I have to decide what, in the game, is open to player interpretation and what isn't. Her in-game description is something I believe she just is, no going around it.  The "huff and puff" is also based on in-game stuff, unless you can convince me they are not. Grunt is exactly what I described him as. Samara really did stop a conflict with her presence. Jack really is that powerful. I'm trying to be accurate about what I write down about them, not subjective.

I think your examples are mostly based on gameplay experience, though. Like, another poster said that the squaddies are inferior to Shepard in in-game combat. That's more of a game practicality, which I don't think should go into interpreting how powerful each character is to each other. I know my Shep didn't shoot more than 100 creepers on Feros, but if yours did, then it depends on the player. And magnetic boots... That's just equipment.

I see your point though. I'm not sure I agree with how you presented it, but I do understand where you're coming from.

To elaborate on it a bit more: Much of the story of mass effect is told through the gameplay. You get to play through all Shepard's great accomplishments, because he's not an NPC he is the player character. Just because you were controlling his greatest triumphs doesn't mean they don't count story-wise. They made Shepard the most powerful in gameplay and the character upon whom the game focuses because Shepard is supposed to be the most powerful in the story.



And if you only want to go with backstory things, need I say more than Spectre? Less than a hundred of them in an entire galaxy with a population well into the trillions. You only get made a Spectre if you are the absolute best of the best. Nihlus mentions at the beginning of the game that the council has been watching you for years.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

extreme dumbness in this post, please ignore.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 14 avril 2010 - 05:35 .

[CaptainZaysh]

First human Spectre. Shepard is considered the best humanity can offer, humanity's perfect warrior who literally saved the galaxy by snatching victory from the jaws of defeat at the Battle of the Citadel.

[GodWood]

Terraneaux wrote...

Speaking of Shep's combat prowess, I wish there was an option to laugh patronizingly at Jack when she threatens you.

Jack could kick Shepard's arse.

Although I do know people like to believe that their Shepard is simply stronger than everyone else in the galaxy, its silly really.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You play as Shepard. Nothing else is interesting about them in any other circumstance. Thus their resume is quite groovy.

[Markinator_123]

Shepard could kill anyone of them one on one. I would love to see Jack or Samara try to fight Shepard. You might as well get their tombstone ready. Shepard may be leading a team of dangerous people but he is the most dangerous.

[Bebbe777]

Shepard is a N7, best of the best in the Alliance forces.

Also a Spectre which demands superior skills.

Still, he may not be the best soldier but Shepard is more than that, he is a tactician, a great diplomat and now an icon. The pen is mightier than the sword.

[Jzadek72]

Shepard is special because she's Shepard.



Sometimes, you just get people who are charismatic leaders, who are just natural badasses. Examples in history include Winston Churchill, 'El Cid' Rodrigo Diaz, the numerous soldiers who won the Victoria Cross, Jean D'Arc and many more. None of these people were special in the ways you have mentioned, they all had what can only be described as a quality that made them what they are. Shepard is one of these people.

[mentosman8]

Shepard is one of the strongest in the galaxy. As has been stated, he is a Spectre. He is de facto the BEST Spectre, since Saren was regarded as the best and he beat a highly enhanced Saren. When Shepard reunites with Wrex, especially when bringing Grunt for his loyalty("of course he's dead, you're with Shepard"), shows the extreme respect a considerably strong Krogan gives him. Krogan give respect from strength. Grunt calls him the best battlemaster. He took down a Thresher Maw on foot, took down the Thorian on foot, defeated an Asari Matriarch(one of the strongest) and her commando unit, I could go on and on. Not to mention him knocking back Uvenk with his headbuttXD Point is, Shepard is shown time and time again to not just be the best leader in the galaxy, but also one of, if not the strongest warrior. Without Shep, his squad has neither the leadership, nor the ability to accomplish much of what they do.

[Freely]

I think all of my thoughts have already been said.

I agree on disliking "luck" as an explanation. Giving an RP answer for one of my Shepard's, luck has nothing to do with it. My Shep is plain badass.

Parents killed on Mindoir when he was 16. Joined alliance 2 years later and then managed to single-handedly save Elysium 4 years later. He's alliance special forces and who knows what missions he's been on during the 7 years between Elysium and the start of ME (when he's being cosidered to join the ranks of the most elite unit in citadel space, the Spectres).  Isn't there less than 200 Spectres or something out of how many billions living in Citadel space?

So, even prior to the events of ME, he's got one hell of a reputation. It cannot be all down to just leadership skills; Spectres work on their own or in small teams, so it would be quite insane to make someone a Spectre based solely on leadership skills. There has to be considerably more to him. ME & ME2 solidifies just how good he is.

I equate my soldier Shep to being John Maclane of the ME universe. Yeah, he's only a cop, but you don't want to be the bad guy and you want him on your side.

P.S. Shep could easily take any of the squadmates, he's that badass and that resourceful.

Modifié par Freely, 14 avril 2010 - 09:15 .

[piemanz]

It's not what you can do,it's what you do with it that counts.Shepard is a great leader through his experiences,only he can bring all these strong characters together and hold the team together.

[ExtremeOne]

he is not special Bioware makes him seem like a Michael Knight clone from the Knight Rider series where one man can make a difference. and he is not a god or a icon he just does what no one else wants to do

[SonvarTheMighty]

Shepard is a leader and knows what it takes to get the best out of people. Like another poster already listed Miranda even acknowledges Shepard is better than her even though she is meant to genetically better. Shepard is the spark that lights the fires of his comrades.

[smudboy]

In ME2, Shepard is completely replaceable.

In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot.

[Alraiis]

smudboy wrote...

In ME2, Shepard is completely replaceable.
In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot.

In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot only because (s)he pushed Kaidan/Ashley out of the way of the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. Greedy, greedy Shepard wanted to hog all the significant prophetic visions.

[binaryemperor]

Well, he has a relatively famous past in military history, he becomes the first human spectre, He was able to withstand the mental trauma of the prothean vision, and he contains vital knowledge of the Reapers, whether he realizes it or not.

Some of it is circumstance throughout the story, but a lot of it is due to his already competent nature.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 14 avril 2010 - 10:47 .

[Gravity Bun]

Commander Shepard eats Spinach for dinner.

[smudboy]

Alraiis wrote...

smudboy wrote...

In ME2, Shepard is completely replaceable.
In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot.

In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot only because (s)he pushed Kaidan/Ashley out of the way of the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. Greedy, greedy Shepard wanted to hog all the significant prophetic visions.

Also, their Spectre status.