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[Il Divo]

smudboy wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

smudboy wrote...

In ME2, Shepard is completely replaceable.
In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot.

In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot only because (s)he pushed Kaidan/Ashley out of the way of the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. Greedy, greedy Shepard wanted to hog all the significant prophetic visions.

Also, their Spectre status.

So kaidan couldn't become a Spectre instead?

[CaptainZaysh]

Il Divo wrote...

So kaidan couldn't become a Spectre instead?

Hahahahahaha!

[Il Divo]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

So kaidan couldn't become a Spectre instead?

Hahahahahaha!

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[Raphael diSanto]

"Not every Krogan can be the strongest warrior. but each must inspire his peers to battle at his side.

If the ones who know you best can find nothing worthy in you, you should wander the wastes and die alone before you weaken my clan."



And this, from a Krogan.

[Computron2000]

What does shepard have that makes him as good as the squad members?

Here's a possible list
a) A will stronger than iron. Liara noted that the becaon would have destroyed any other mind.

Determination. This is different from having willpower. This quality tells everyone that what shepard says is going to be done gets done even when it seems hopeless (anime fans may reference the same quality in simon in gurren lagaan)

c) Combat skill. Self explainatory especially since the game penalizes the squadmates damage to make shepard a star

d) Versatility. Form covert ops with Thane to pure arena combat with Grunt, shepard can adapt to the situation as required

e) Intellect. Shepard is not stupid, even if the player chooses the most stupid option possible, the option will never be truly idiotic because they game never lets you.

f) Ability to trust without being naive. Unlike Jacob, shepard trusts people to do their jobs and they won't shoot him in the back if they don't demostrate problems. For example, he doesn't give Tali the "aw you're a weak little quarian, stay on the Neema where you're safe" attitude and he straight out tells Zaeed that he does't want him on the ship after Zaeed shows his rash behavior

g) Ability to listen to experts. He doesn't force EDI to go through the omega 4 relay based on faith of getting through nor tell samara she's stupid when she proposes the biotic bubble. This is very different from intellect as it is more a recognition of what you don't know and that others know more on the matter than you

h) Unique access to information. This includes predominantly, the Cipher, which currently only 3 people (unless spread) have

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Computron2000 wrote...

f) Ability to trust without being naive. Unlike Jacob, shepard trusts people to do their jobs and they won't shoot him in the back if they don't demostrate problems. For example, he doesn't give Tali the "aw you're a weak little quarian, stay on the Neema where you're safe" attitude and he straight out tells Zaeed that he does't want him on the ship after Zaeed shows his rash behavior

Eh, I'm not entirely certain about this one. There was the incident where Udina stabs you in the back, having your ship grounded.

[GodWood]

Computron2000 wrote...

What does shepard have that makes him as good as the squad members?

Here's a possible list
a) A will stronger than iron. Liara noted that the becaon would have destroyed any other mind.

Incorrect.
Liara says it would of destroyed a lesser mind, saying it would of destroyed any other mind implies Shepard is the only one which could handle it which is false because Saren had been using the beacons as well.

To answer the OP's question Shepard simply has the power of plot.

[Computron2000]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

f) Ability to trust without being naive. Unlike Jacob, shepard trusts people to do their jobs and they won't shoot him in the back if they don't demostrate problems. For example, he doesn't give Tali the "aw you're a weak little quarian, stay on the Neema where you're safe" attitude and he straight out tells Zaeed that he does't want him on the ship after Zaeed shows his rash behavior

Eh, I'm not entirely certain about this one. There was the incident where Udina stabs you in the back, having your ship grounded.

Udina was out of his control. Shepard had no leverage to override Udina other than straight out killing him (which would only worsen the situation) and the player could actually give him the equivalent of the middle finger in several conversation options prior to being grounded so no love lost there.

[smudboy]

Il Divo wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

smudboy wrote...

In ME2, Shepard is completely replaceable.
In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot.

In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot only because (s)he pushed Kaidan/Ashley out of the way of the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. Greedy, greedy Shepard wanted to hog all the significant prophetic visions.

Also, their Spectre status.

So kaidan couldn't become a Spectre instead?

After you create your character in ME1, Hacket, Anderson and Udina are discussing who to choose to lead the ground team for the Eden Prime/Prothean becon mission.  This is also for Nihlus to evaluate Shepard in action, to see if he is a viable candidate for the Spectres/the human/Alliance seat on the Council.  Aside from Anderson, Shepard is the only N7 ranked Alliance soldier, and Nihlus is impressed by their military record.

[Computron2000]

GodWood wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

What does shepard have that makes him as good as the squad members?

Here's a possible list
a) A will stronger than iron. Liara noted that the becaon would have destroyed any other mind.

Incorrect.
Liara says it would of destroyed a lesser mind, saying it would of destroyed any other mind implies Shepard is the only one which could handle it which is false because Saren had been using the beacons as well.

To answer the OP's question Shepard simply has the power of plot.

Fair enough, so what percentage of the galactic race could handle a becaon without the cipher? 90%? 80% or perhaps lesser mind means a portion small enough to be significantly surprising?

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Nvm. Smudboy will just ignore me.

Edit: Computron, your point is well-made.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 14 avril 2010 - 11:58 .

[Xaijin]

Token Human ultimate hero.

[marshalleck]

Shepard has the power of paragon/renegade persuasion checks. No matter how heated a situation, Shepard can defuse it with a only a few words. He can also completely dominate the will of others to make them do whatever he wants voluntarily, no matter how improbable.

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 avril 2010 - 12:06 .

[Alraiis]

I put this question to Mordin, and he had a pretty good answer. As I recall, it went a little something like this....

Shep is the very model of an RPG protagonist
As Adept, Soldier, Sentinel or anything else on the list
He was rebuilt entirely, with funding straight from Cerberus
And he'll interrupt your dialogue with actions nice or murderous.
He's known to every alien, be they vertabrae or cephalopods
And he's killed a million Geth or so---I'd say that's quite a set o' quads.

(Second verse)

As the first human Spectre, he's the one who saved the Citadel
His exploits now are so insane you'd need two disks to fit it all
He's quite good as a marksman or a mean biotic nemesis
And unlike his first officer, he's not made by geneticists

(Big finish)

Yes, he'll save all the galaxy from Reapers nigh-impervious!
...Let's just hope no one finds out what a xenophilic perv he is!

[Il Divo]

smudboy wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

smudboy wrote...

In ME2, Shepard is completely replaceable.
In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot.

In ME1, Shepard is integral to the plot only because (s)he pushed Kaidan/Ashley out of the way of the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. Greedy, greedy Shepard wanted to hog all the significant prophetic visions.

Also, their Spectre status.

So kaidan couldn't become a Spectre instead?

After you create your character in ME1, Hacket, Anderson and Udina are discussing who to choose to lead the ground team for the Eden Prime/Prothean becon mission.  This is also for Nihlus to evaluate Shepard in action, to see if he is a viable candidate for the Spectres/the human/Alliance seat on the Council.  Aside from Anderson, Shepard is the only N7 ranked Alliance soldier, and Nihlus is impressed by their military record.

So no other professional soldier could have handled the mission on Eden Prime? or had an impressive military record?

[AntiChri5]

Alraiis wrote...

I put this question to Mordin, and he had a pretty good answer. As I recall, it went a little something like this....

Shep is the very model of an RPG protagonist
As Adept, Soldier, Sentinel or anything else on the list
He was rebuilt entirely, with funding straight from Cerberus
And he'll interrupt your dialogue with actions nice or murderous.
He's known to every alien, be they vertabrae or cephalopods
And he's killed a million Geth or so---I'd say that's quite a set o' quads.

(Second verse)

As the first human Spectre, he's the one who saved the Citadel
His exploits now are so insane you'd need two disks to fit it all
He's quite good as a marksman or a mean biotic nemesis
And unlike his first officer, he's not made by geneticists

(Big finish)

Yes, he'll save all the galaxy from Reapers nigh-impervious!
...Let's just hope no one finds out what a xenophilic perv he is!

You sir, just won the entire internet! 

[AntiChri5]

Nobody else has mentioned Shepards shiny new upgrades.

[MotoSkunkX]

Because Shepard has the uncanny ability bordering on omniscience to be in the right place, at the right time(except of course, when (s)he died).

Five minutes later and Saren would have let the Reapers in the galaxy, Tali would have been killed by geth, Garrus by mercs, Legion by husks, Samara by Asari cops,  and so on.

[Marstead]

Shepard is and has always been an android, built after the real Shepard died on Akuze/Torfan/Elysium. They needed to recover his positronic brain to rebuild him after he was spaced.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

MotoSkunkX wrote...

Because Shepard has the uncanny ability bordering on omniscience to be in the right place, at the right time(except of course, when (s)he died).

Five minutes later and Saren would have let the Reapers in the galaxy, Tali would have been killed by geth, Garrus by mercs, Legion by husks, Samara by Asari cops,  and so on.

Yeah dying sucked, even so, it was an  heroic way to end in my opinon. Either, he has the qualities of an leader that make people follow him to hell and back if need be, do it again.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 15 avril 2010 - 12:45 .

[Tooneyman]

The priizze!

[smudboy]

Il Divo wrote...
So no other professional soldier could have handled the mission on Eden Prime? or had an impressive military record?

Aside from Anderson, no.  But Anderson already had his shot.

[Il Divo]

smudboy wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
So no other professional soldier could have handled the mission on Eden Prime? or had an impressive military record?

Aside from Anderson, no.  But Anderson already had his shot.

But why not? Udina/Anderson obviously reviewed quite a few records before settling on Shepard. Who says the second best ranked could not have done it. or instead what does Shepard do that Kaidan could not do?

Modifié par Il Divo, 15 avril 2010 - 01:15 .

[Bucky_McLachlan]

Clearly Shepard gives the best speeches and has the best power animations.

This all could've been handled way better by not killing Shepard off at the beginning and following a silly plot of gathering together the most awesome rockband ever. Hell Shepard could've been injured in the collector attack at the beginning and the crew could've been rescued afterward, and then the player could have had at least the illusion of a choice to group of with Cerberus due to the Council/Alliance being inaffective, Reaper denial etc etc.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 15 avril 2010 - 01:25 .