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AntiChri5 wrote...

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I put this question to Mordin, and he had a pretty good answer. As I recall, it went a little something like this....

Shep is the very model of an RPG protagonist
As Adept, Soldier, Sentinel or anything else on the list
He was rebuilt entirely, with funding straight from Cerberus
And he'll interrupt your dialogue with actions nice or murderous.
He's known to every alien, be they vertabrae or cephalopods
And he's killed a million Geth or so---I'd say that's quite a set o' quads.

(Second verse)

As the first human Spectre, he's the one who saved the Citadel
His exploits now are so insane you'd need two disks to fit it all
He's quite good as a marksman or a mean biotic nemesis
And unlike his first officer, he's not made by geneticists

(Big finish)

Yes, he'll save all the galaxy from Reapers nigh-impervious!
...Let's just hope no one finds out what a xenophilic perv he is!


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Alraiis wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Alraiis wrote...

I put this question to Mordin, and he had a pretty good answer. As I recall, it went a little something like this....

Shep is the very model of an RPG protagonist
As Adept, Soldier, Sentinel or anything else on the list
He was rebuilt entirely, with funding straight from Cerberus
And he'll interrupt your dialogue with actions nice or murderous.
He's known to every alien, be they vertabrae or cephalopods
And he's killed a million Geth or so---I'd say that's quite a set o' quads.

(Second verse)

As the first human Spectre, he's the one who saved the Citadel
His exploits now are so insane you'd need two disks to fit it all
He's quite good as a marksman or a mean biotic nemesis
And unlike his first officer, he's not made by geneticists

(Big finish)

Yes, he'll save all the galaxy from Reapers nigh-impervious!
...Let's just hope no one finds out what a xenophilic perv he is!


You sir, just won the entire internet! :o


*picks up Internet*

"This'll come in handy! I'll take it!"


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I'm just gonna put this right here...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Clearly Shepard gives the best speeches and has the best power animations.

This all could've been handled way better by not killing Shepard off at the beginning and following a silly plot of gathering together the most awesome rockband ever. Hell Shepard could've been injured in the collector attack at the beginning and the crew could've been rescued afterward, and then the player could have had at least the illusion of a choice to group of with Cerberus due to the Council/Alliance being inaffective, Reaper denial etc etc.


ZOMG imagine getting an actual dialogue scene where Ashley or Kaiden turn their back on you instead of this "2 years later" sh*t. :o

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 15 avril 2010 - 01:31 .


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My Vanguard Shep can charge across the entire battlefield, even completely through chest high walls and negate the mass of the object he collides with sending it flying. This also somehow replenishes his shields.

I've yet to meet a squad mate, reaper, asari, merc. etc that can do that.

Yeah, My Shep is pretty special.

Modifié par dskylark, 15 avril 2010 - 01:35 .


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Il Divo wrote...

smudboy wrote...

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So no other professional soldier could have handled the mission on Eden Prime? or had an impressive military record?


Aside from Anderson, no.  But Anderson already had his shot.


But why not? Udina/Anderson obviously reviewed quite a few records before settling on Shepard. Who says the second best ranked could not have done it. or instead what does Shepard do that Kaidan could not do?

That's like arguing aptitute and barrier to entry.  The common plight of the job seeker.

Shepard was obviously chosen for his experience, aptitude and military record notoriety.
Could Kaidan have gotten the Prothean vision?  Perhaps, if he had a "strong will" as Liara points out.  Could he have become a Spectre?  No.

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smudboy wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
So no other professional soldier could have handled the mission on Eden Prime? or had an impressive military record?


Aside from Anderson, no.  But Anderson already had his shot.


But why not? Udina/Anderson obviously reviewed quite a few records before settling on Shepard. Who says the second best ranked could not have done it. or instead what does Shepard do that Kaidan could not do?

That's like arguing aptitute and barrier to entry.  The common plight of the job seeker.

Shep was obviously chosen for his experience, aptitude and military record notoriety.
Could Kaidan have gotten the Prothean vision?  Perhaps, if he had a "strong will" as Liara points out.  Could he have become a Spectre?  No.


Again why not Kaidan? Why is he not capable of these same feats? Because Shepard is more qualified than Kaidan does not mean Kaidan is incapable. In which case he could become a spectre.

Shepard was chosen as a Spectre because of his vast combat experience and his role in exposing Saren as a traitor. Are you trying to tell me that no other character could have managed that? Combat experience is not exclusive to Shepard alone. He may be the best. but if the second best can do about the same how would Shepard not be replaceable? If he was not chosen someone else would have been.

And I'm looking at your earlier post now. Why is he replaceable in ME2 but not ME1?

Modifié par Il Divo, 15 avril 2010 - 03:43 .


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Shepard is either a selfless hero or an **** depending on how you play him, but either way he is awesome. If you want something done Shepard can do it, and if he can't do it one of his teammates can. Not to mention his hypnotism voice that can cause villains to kill themselves and women to take their shirts off. Dude is amazing.

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Kaidan getting the prothean visions... can you imagine how that would affect the migranes? He'd need to have an aspirin and a lie down between fights.

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Hey OP I think everyone so far has mentioned how badass Shep is. And it is true what most previous posters have said, no matter how superior his squad members are in biotics, skill, or martial prowess they all lack one skill Shep has, Natural Leadership, remember even In real life that is a very rare trait found amongst people. To simplify Shepard is Mass Effect's version of Star Wars' Darth Revan

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Pr0diigY wrote...

Hey OP I think everyone so far has mentioned how badass Shep is. And it is true what most previous posters have said, no matter how superior his squad members are in biotics, skill, or martial prowess they all lack one skill Shep has, Natural Leadership, remember even In real life that is a very rare trait found amongst people. To simplify Shepard is Mass Effect's version of Star Wars' Darth Revan


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Il Divo wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
So no other professional soldier could have handled the mission on Eden Prime? or had an impressive military record?


Aside from Anderson, no.  But Anderson already had his shot.


But why not? Udina/Anderson obviously reviewed quite a few records before settling on Shepard. Who says the second best ranked could not have done it. or instead what does Shepard do that Kaidan could not do?

That's like arguing aptitute and barrier to entry.  The common plight of the job seeker.

Shep was obviously chosen for his experience, aptitude and military record notoriety.
Could Kaidan have gotten the Prothean vision?  Perhaps, if he had a "strong will" as Liara points out.  Could he have become a Spectre?  No.


Again why not Kaidan? Why is he not capable of these same feats? Because Shepard is more qualified than Kaidan does not mean Kaidan is incapable. In which case he could become a spectre.

You obviously do not understand the argument.

No one would dispute that Kaidan could've been a Spectre too if only he had all the experience and qualifications of Commander Shepard. It's not a question of who is capable of what, the problem is that Mass Effect 2 has really bad story problems, much of which could have been eliminating if not for Shepard being killed and brought back for completely illogical reasons. They could've had Shepard survive the attack on the ship with serious injuries.

Doing this would've eliminated the following:
  • Cerberus retconning, although Shepard could've still joined with them after getting patched up since the Council and Alliance refuse to help him go against the real threat and at least the player could have felt more like it was their choice to do this rather than being forced to do it because their character died.
  • Shadow Broker retconning. What the f*ck ever happened to The Shadow Broker offering some assistance in the future in exchange for me providing him information on Cerberus?
  • Shepard being anything more than the most badass of badasses. He didn't need to be Jesus Christ too.
  • Ashley/Kaidan turning their back on Shepard for the most stupid reason possible: The Council has "dismissed" the Reaper claim and sullied Shepard's good name.
  • Liara's character being completely thrown out the window.
You see the problem people are having here has everything to do with the sh*tty story, and the problem with the story is...well a lot of things, but the specific problem here is the only reason Shepard is even involved is because some secret shadow organization spent millions to bring this dude back from the dead because he gives good speaches and ****.

The least they could've done was make the Prothean Cypher and Beacons matter again, because honestly other than his military experience and qualifications that was the one thing that made him unique, and the only thing that would justify spending a ridiculous amount of credits to bring him back to life.
 

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Jorran Khaar wrote...

Pr0diigY wrote...

Hey OP I think everyone so far has mentioned how badass Shep is. And it is true what most previous posters have said, no matter how superior his squad members are in biotics, skill, or martial prowess they all lack one skill Shep has, Natural Leadership, remember even In real life that is a very rare trait found amongst people. To simplify Shepard is Mass Effect's version of Star Wars' Darth Revan


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Damn I just realized that, oh well worth a try anyways...B)

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Well, good luck to those squadmates should they decide to play the hero and lead the charge -- No resources, no ship, no cerberus/council?/alliance? support, flat broke and stranded, good luck to them.

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Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

No one would dispute that Kaidan could've been a Spectre too if only he had all the experience and qualifications of Commander Shepard. It's not a question of who is capable of what, the problem is that Mass Effect 2 has really bad story problems, much of which could have been eliminating if not for Shepard being killed and brought back for completely illogical reasons. They could've had Shepard survive the attack on the ship with serious injuries.

Doing this would've eliminated the following:

  • Cerberus retconning, although Shepard could've still joined with them after getting patched up since the Council and Alliance refuse to help him go against the real threat and at least the player could have felt more like it was their choice to do this rather than being forced to do it because their character died.
  • Shadow Broker retconning. What the f*ck ever happened to The Shadow Broker offering some assistance in the future in exchange for me providing him information on Cerberus?
  • Shepard being anything more than the most badass of badasses. He didn't need to be Jesus Christ too.
  • Ashley/Kaidan turning their back on Shepard for the most stupid reason possible: The Council has "dismissed" the Reaper claim and sullied Shepard's good name.
  • Liara's character being completely thrown out the window.


It would have been a really short game if a player had decided that - no matter how many colonies get taken by the unknown force - s/he's not going to side with Cerberus, period. Up to getting stung by Seekers on Horizon and then meeting your old shipmate who explains that s/he signed on when you didn't and is hell bent on making a difference now that you decided you won't get your hands dirty ... then repeating the first offer: Join Cerberus' Crusade for this peculiar objective, Commander! Lead us to victory! No more airquoting!
Turn him down again - Game over. For you, at least.

About the Shadow Broker: well, weren't you dead? That sort of cancels open debts.

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The whole "work for Cerberus" plot never should have been part of the game anyway. To make that work you have to force the Council to conform into the role of antagonists again. It makes no sense because at the end of the first game they seemed to very clearly believe Shepard about the Reapers and were ready to support him. Even Udina understood the threat.



ME2 should have had Shepard still working with the Council, perhaps undercover, to go into the Terminus and do whatever.



Oh well. If the events of the first game weren't enough to give Shepard credit with the Council then nothing will.

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Remus Artega wrote...

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Dr. Chackwass pretty much summarized it. He is someone that you can hold onto, the place where you can breath freely... he stabilizes others and that is something you can't learn ...it is in him...he can bear troubles of others and solve them...


said the guy with the picture of renegade shepard as his avatar.

Is something wrong with that?


nope but I assume you didn't get what I meant. You talk about him being someone you can hold onto although you forgot about the renegade version of him and it makes it kind of ironic that you have a pic of renegade shep. I'd not be able to "breath freely" when talking to renegade shep. lol.

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Jorran Khaar wrote...


  • A genetically perfected krogan, the most physically powerful, aggressive, and ruthless race in the entire galaxy
  • A genetically perfected human, who is physically and mentally superior, is a brilliant tactician and a powerful biotic
  • The most powerful biotic human in the galaxy who is so ruthless that she can single-handedly destroy space stations with ease
  • An asari Justicar whose very presence can prevent enemy action and who is one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy (ALTERNATIVELY the an asari who is just as powerful and becomes more powerful each time she kills; who has, as her teammates, the most dangerous people in the galaxy all in one place who all suspect her to be someone else anyway)
  • A drell reknowned as being the galaxy's single deadliest assassin
  • Reputedly the most feared bounty hunter and mercenary in the entire galaxy
  • A thief who is so successful that hardly anybody in the galaxy knows she exists, and those that do don't even know what she looks like
This leaves Garrus, Tali, Legion, Jacob, and Mordin as the only ones not mentioned, which is reasonable as I think Shepard is capable of anything they can do (except for Mordin, but there are a lot of brilliant scientists out there).

So what's so special about Shepard?

[*]Shepard is special in as much as he/she is one of the few people in the galaxy who could actually rally all these exceptional individuals (who would probably start shooting at each other under other circumstances) under one banner. That's always the case with Bioware games: That the main characters greatest strength is his/her charisma... They're sort of like Alexander the Great in that, great combat prowess, strategic minds and incredible energy and charisma, though like Alexander, their methods and decisions can be questionable at times as after all, they are only human(oid).

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They can't really show Shepards battle prowess in cutscenes, because much of that is player determined. Is he a soldier who has a mastery of all firearms? Is he a powerful biotic on par with a Matriarch? Is he a really freaking awesome sniper who's as technically savvy as Tali? That's up to you.



Just considering the sheer amounts of in-game enemies you kill, I think that alone shows Shepards combat skills. While this really getting into the whole Wrex "who would win in a fight?" thing, I do believe that Shepard could beat any of the members in his crew one-on-one, assuming of course he has his equipment.

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This is why Shepard is awsome!



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Bucky Maclachan wrote...

You see the problem people are having here has everything to do with the sh*tty story, and the problem with the story is...well a lot of things, but the specific problem here is the only reason Shepard is even involved is because some secret shadow organization spent millions to bring this dude back from the dead because he gives good speaches and ****.

The least they could've done was make the Prothean Cypher and Beacons matter again, because honestly other than his military experience and qualifications that was the one thing that made him unique, and the only thing that would justify spending a ridiculous amount of credits to bring him back to life.

I'm glad you brought this up. I have no problem accepting Shepard as a bad ass hero. It's really stretching story credibility to have Cerberus resurrect Shepard because he or she is...or has some vague quality that the galaxy simply cannot do without. I know that Shepard excels in leading, and based on the player's gameplay, combat expertise but like you and other members have suggested, there must be others that could fill a similar role. As nice as the introduction to ME2 is, the story would have benefited from avoiding Shepard's early death. If this were the case, I would no longer have to keep questioning why TIM thinks I'm so important. Better yet, is it ever really explained why the Collectors are so interested in Shepard, and not just from the time after her/his death?

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He is n7

he has galactic fame

He is the best

and has the best ship

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Flies_by_Handles wrote...
Better yet, is it ever really explained why the Collectors are so interested in Shepard, and not just from the time after her/his death?


You killed a Reaper.  Let's make the rather safe assumption that the Reapers have not lost one of their number since the derelict Reaper you visit and that was 37 million years ago using a mass accelerator canon big enough to carve a canyon into a planet.  Then along comes Shepard and not only foils their attempts to re-open the Citadel Relay but he kills one of them.  No huge canon, no super weapon, just some guy (or girl).  Shepard was the sole element that lead to their failure, without Shepard their plan would have gone perfectly even if Saren was exposed.  Now you can argue that anyone could have done that but only one person did.

Think of it like this; say you're a member of a gang running an extortion racket.  You're a small gang but you've got some serious muscle and generally don't have any problems.  Then one day you go to extort money from some shop and this kid, some tiny little punk, tells you to go away.  You sick your muscle on him and he proceeds to mop the floor with them.  Now wouldn't that spark some serious interest in that kid.

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Bucky_McLachlan wrote...
You obviously do not understand the argument.

No one would dispute that Kaidan could've been a Spectre too if only he had all the experience and qualifications of Commander Shepard. It's not a question of who is capable of what, the problem is that Mass Effect 2 has really bad story problems, much of which could have been eliminating if not for Shepard being killed and brought back for completely illogical reasons. They could've had Shepard survive the attack on the ship with serious injuries.

Doing this would've eliminated the following:

  • Cerberus retconning, although Shepard could've still joined with them after getting patched up since the Council and Alliance refuse to help him go against the real threat and at least the player could have felt more like it was their choice to do this rather than being forced to do it because their character died.
  • Shadow Broker retconning. What the f*ck ever happened to The Shadow Broker offering some assistance in the future in exchange for me providing him information on Cerberus?
  • Shepard being anything more than the most badass of badasses. He didn't need to be Jesus Christ too.
  • Ashley/Kaidan turning their back on Shepard for the most stupid reason possible: The Council has "dismissed" the Reaper claim and sullied Shepard's good name.
  • Liara's character being completely thrown out the window.
You see the problem people are having here has everything to do with the sh*tty story, and the problem with the story is...well a lot of things, but the specific problem here is the only reason Shepard is even involved is because some secret shadow organization spent millions to bring this dude back from the dead because he gives good speaches and ****.

The least they could've done was make the Prothean Cypher and Beacons matter again, because honestly other than his military experience and qualifications that was the one thing that made him unique, and the only thing that would justify spending a ridiculous amount of credits to bring him back to life.
 

This is an excellent analysis as to describing the base problem with ME2: right from the start; I never expected using a Deus Ex Machina at the beginning of a tale. My guess is the marketing/E3 blitz.

Though it is not necessary to constantly reaffirm to the viewer the characters are the only right people for the right job, and to provide them with many clear reasons why this is, (since that may not be the point of the story), it most definitely puts the protagonist, and other characters, center stage. It describes who they are, what they are, and also could provide why (motivation) they're doing what they're doing, etc. This is kind of the attitude comic books have -- like Spider-Man -- the more times the name "Spider-Man" is said or referenced, it reaffirms their importance within the narrative, regardless of the story. The viewer then goes "So why is Spider-Man so important?"  Then the narrative should show and tell it.

If we do this with ME2, we have a few glib comments and looks of surprise as people notice Shepard, resurrected or not. The point of those scenes (Shiala, Parasini, Mouse, etc.), is all you need, but definitely not in most scenes (Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, the Council.) This must also be key and meaningful to the plot: the antagonist, the opposing force, any conflict they have against the protagonist, and referes to them in the narrative (or in some way we can comprehend). Then, we need to know why. The more reasons, the more relevant to those individuals, and thus the more integrated into the plot: the more we care and see these characters as unique individuals.

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I like to think it's a mix of combat prowess and an innate ability to draw either the very best/worst out of people.



Guess I'm saying he's a complete nutjob about either holding the line or kicking ass and soldiers respond to that..