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[smudboy]

[quote]Il Divo wrote...
 Where does Liara state that Shepard is the only human with a 'strong mind'? This is why I'm skeptical of this claim. Far too much credit is being placed on this 'strong' mind. If you can be skeptical of Illusive Man choosing Shepard because the Reapers fear/respect him, what makes a strong mind of such higher value?
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Liara regards the ability for Shepard to house the visions making him have a strong mind, since it would "have destroyed a lesser mind."  That is one necessary quality for carrying the vision.  Once Shepard has the vision (then the other, then the cipher), he's the only one capable of getting over to Ilos.  Because of those events, he's plot integral.
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Remember, we know Shepard is the only human to have killed/interacted with a Reaper. For replaceability, it must be shown that a character can be removed/switched with any other and have the plot remain exactly as is.[/quote]
In regards to ME1, yes, Shepard is irreplaceable.
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Shepard cannot be removed from existence because otherwise the Collectors are not spurred to attacking human colonies.
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So you're arguing ME2 Shepard is irreplaceable because he came from ME1, and thus ME2 wouldn't have happened?  The Collectors seem to be doing just fine for 2 years while Shepard is dead, collecting humans.
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If he cannot be removed from existence, then he is necessarily required to exist for the plot of Mass Effect 2.
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True.  Evidence please.
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If he is required to exist for the plot of Mass Effect 2, then he must be a potential candidate (even if dead) of Illusive Man's search for a leader to fight the Collectors.
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Right.  Being The Chosen does not mean integral to the plot, however.  It just implies existence.
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If we accept that Illusive Man is searching for a candidate who has dealt with the Reapers (as he states) and that Shepard is the only human to have done so, then he is plot integral.
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No.  TIM/Miranda thinks a, b and c.  If Shepard proves that he is integral to the plot, then and only then he is.  Existence does not equal plot integrity.  The Lazarus Project is Shepard, that is fine, that's not the argument. The argument is that Shepard wasn't needed in the plot of ME2, therefore the Lazarus Project wasn't even needed.  If Shepard died post-Lazarus, the plot would've been fine.
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Unless you can show me one potential candidate who has also fought a Reaper and holds similar qualifications as Shepard, then without Shepard, the plot does not move beyond Illusive Man choosing a candidate. To argue that Shepard is not integral to Mass Effect 2, you'd need to demonstrate why he does not need to exist for the plot at all, from the very beginning.
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The argument is: ME2 Shepard doesn't do anything that can't be done by anyone else.  You're arguing because the first scene is Shepard and only Shepard in Lazarus.  We're not disputing that.   We're saying TIM/Miranda are morons.  We're saying the Lazarus was a waste, because ME2 Shepard is replaceable.  This is a problem with the plot.  If the plot deemed Shepard vital/integral, then we wouldn't be arguing that.  There is no evidence that I have seen, that makes Shepard integral.
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I assume you are saying this in gest. I say this because if you are qualifying Verner (of all characters) to lead the fight against the Collectors, I would say I can qualify Kaidan as possessing a strong enough mind to drive the plot of Mass Effect 1. Let us not insult each other with such claims.
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If Verner is the player character, then boom, he's qualified.  The veneer that is ME2 Shepard is only skin deep.
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I believe the original purpose in acquiring Liara was because she is Benezia's daughter. You might argue that it is a minor point, but this is a part of the main plot. To alter the plot is to not be dealing with the same plot. If Benezia does not have another daughter whom we can find, then Liara is irreplaceable.
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It's a lead by the council.  She gets reduced to a plot device.  She's 1) asari, 2) a Prothean researcher.  We even learn from Liara there are other Prothean researchers.  She's 106.  We can argue this of any plot device, really, but for the most part she's a side-character.  I'll just say she's integral.
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He is still far above what the average combatant can perform. Does this make him integral? No. But to imply that Verner is anywhere near Shepard's level (and Illusive Man wants someone of Shepard's level) is an insult to Shepard's abilities. He is or was a Spectre after all. They are not a dime a dozen.  
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-where do his above average combatant skills be plot integral?
-Spectre status in ME2 is not plot integral.
-TIM/MIranda's reasons could be humongous, but existence in the plot does not equal integrity
-Shepard must prove his plot integrity, like in ME1 (visions->cipher->Ilos)
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This is quite wrong. Motivation is everything to the plot. If a character is unmotivated, then they do not take action. If they do not take action, then we have a very different plot. If Zaeed has no reason to stop the Collectors, then he cannot replace Shepard no matter how incredible his combat abilities. Motivation is what caused Luke to join Obi-Wan, to become a Jedi, to fight Darth Vader. Motivation is what spurs all characters to action in any story.
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Shepard wants to eat a donut out of hunger.   Shepard wants to kiss Tali out of love.  Shepard to e(1...n) out of m(1...n).  Even if one of those things is related to the plot, that doesn't make that person integral to the plot.  It's characterization.  (Unless the entire plot is character driven, where Shepard->events.  However, ME2 is not a character driven story.)

Now, we can argue that "The king died, then the queen died, out of grief."  And that "out of grief" is the plot of the story.  And that's true.  (You're arguing that because Shepard died at the start of ME2, ME2 must exist the way the plot goes, because of its base.)  Shepard could have a few really good reasons to do what he's doing, and that is a good thing for characterization, but it does not show that he's plot integral.  If his actions, and only his actions, cause the series of events to become the plot, (causation), then yes, he would be plot integral.  Why he does it, his motivations, have nothing to do with that: and they should.
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To say that Motivation is irrelevant is a grave error.  As Bucky explains, it's all about a character choosing to take action, aka the Frodo example. It is essential to launching a plot. [/quote]
We could say that is what makes Frodo an active protagonist.  If Shepard makes a choice (even via the player character) to make the plot continue, we might argue that.  However, that's the equivalent of the reader turning the page, whereupon Shepard is a static character.  If that action and only that action caused the plot to continue, then that action would be plot integral.  If that action could only be done by Shepard because of Shepard's x, y, z, then Shepard would be plot integral.

It is a minor thing.  But after playing KotOR 2, where virtually everything or every underlying event in the game is because of the protagonist (after it's explained), looking at ME2 is like watching a kid learn to write proper English.

I think this is why some characters in RPGs are considered special: the last of their race, one of the only living precursors, the one holding the magic locket/MacGuffin, etc.  It gives a reason why they're relevant to the narrative.  But that is not plot integrity.  In gaming, the protagonist is a walking plot device, with the universe revolving around them: but that doesn't make them plot integral.

Modifié par smudboy, 26 avril 2010 - 02:10 .

[JackhammerGR]

Jorran Khaar wrote...

EDIT: I've left this thread after accepting an interpretation on page 2, but the rest of you can still discuss! smudboy and Il Divo are having a really interesting discussion about whether Shepard's role in ME1 and ME2 and how replaceable/irreplaceable he is, which is pretty much what I intended to argue, even if I didn't communicate it properly.

So I'm looking at Shepard compared to his ME2 squaddies and it just seems like (s)he's a bit of an underdog. You've got:

• A genetically perfected krogan, the most physically powerful, aggressive, and ruthless race in the entire galaxy
  
• A genetically perfected human, who is physically and mentally superior, is a brilliant tactician and a powerful biotic
  
• The most powerful biotic human in the galaxy who is so ruthless that she can single-handedly destroy space stations with ease
  
• An asari Justicar whose very presence can prevent enemy action and who is one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy (ALTERNATIVELY the an asari who is just as powerful and becomes more powerful each time she kills; who has, as her teammates, the most dangerous people in the galaxy all in one place who all suspect her to be someone else anyway)
  
• A drell reknowned as being the galaxy's single deadliest assassin
  
• Reputedly the most feared bounty hunter and mercenary in the entire galaxy
  
• A thief who is so successful that hardly anybody in the galaxy knows she exists, and those that do don't even know what she looks like

This leaves Garrus, Tali, Legion, Jacob, and Mordin as the only ones not mentioned, which is reasonable as I think Shepard is capable of anything they can do (except for Mordin, but there are a lot of brilliant scientists out there).

So what's so special about Shepard? (S)he's killed hundreds of geth, saved a human colony and consequently made a Spectre, and taken down a Reaper and regarded as the most famous human in the galaxy. But fame hardly means anything. Just seems like Bioware's overdone it with the squadmates. These people seem more capable than Shepard could ever be. Why would Shepard be needed anyway? Is it because (s)he's the one and only person in the entire galaxy who can bring them all together?  Because these people don't even care what Shepard represents. They just care about his battle prowess, which seems to pale in comparison to his squaddies.

It's just a nagging little detail. I don't see how a person known more as a symbol than a badass professional soldier is needed to rally up the most powerful and dangerous people in the galaxy who don't even care what he's a symbol of and who can rip him apart at any time. Because, I mean, Superman's a symbol, but he's also the most powerful hero on Earth.  What makes Shepard so integral?

[*]That he can hold all of them in one line

[Il Divo]

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 @Il Divo -

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Secondly, you could find motivation for pretty much any human to want to stop the Collectors, seeing as they're collecting humans. TIM could tell Zaeed that the guy who made Jessie was picked up and the big goddamn hero would be all over it. Once again, Shepard is unnecessary. [/quote]

If this were as you say, then Illusive Man would not have had to pay such a large salary in order to buy Zaeed's services, which Zaeed explicitly mentions when you meet him. He would be doing this service free of charge, as per Thane. Believe it or not, there are those who care only for money. Zaeed is one such person. Unless you can provide some other motivation which could realistically apply to Zaeed, then you have not shown that he has the required motivation.

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Shepard not showing any plot only ability means that he is in fact completely superfluous. The game already provides leader alternatives - basically anyone who could command the fire team could take your Shepard's role. You might want to say that Shep is the glue that holds them all together, but this is only the case for a few members, and there's even an option to not even bother giving a speech. Some rousing leader. [/quote]

The problem with this particular point is that it assumes that because Shepard does not possess a particular ability, that he has become useless. Take Garrus for example. During his recruitment mission, Shepard must run across an open bridge, allowing Garrus ample opportunity to 'snipe' him. We later find out that the only reason he refrained from doing so is because he recognized you as Commander Shepard. Had any other person attempted that same strategy, they would be dead in seconds. There are multiple instances of this within the game, such as Tali and Legion.

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The logic train goes like this:

• Shepard stops Sovereign - Harbinger and the Collectors take an interest
  
• Shepard is killed by the Collectors, the Collectors begin collecting humans
  
• TIM figures he needs someone as qualified as Shepard to stop whatever's happening to human colonies (he suspects the Collectors)
  
• Despite the fact that he already has two such people in his employ (Miranda and Jacob) he decides to plunge billions of credits into a project that might not actually work
  
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The problem with your logic train is that it's missing a couple notches in between points 2 and 3. It has not accounted for the fact that the Collectors were obsessed with obtaining Shepard's body. Not simply any human body, but Shepard's. Clearly there is something special about Shepard that the Collectors go to great lengths to collect him. Illusive Man knows this and commissions Liara with obtaining the body and returning it to Cerberus.

Shepard was the first ever human Spectre, responsible for revealing the treachery of the Council's top agent Saren. He personally led a team of operatives in combatting Saren and his Geth army which included detonating his facility on Virmire with a nuke. When the Citadel is about to fall, it is Shepard who appears, stops/kills Saren before he can open the Citadel relay, crushing hordes of Geth along the way. It was Shepard's vessel, the Normandy, which was responsible for delivering the final blow to Sovereign.

Pile on top, charisma, combat expertise, status as a hero of humanity, and the fact that the Collectors are specifically targetting him and it's clear why Illusive Man would choose him for this assignment.

On point 4, it is also odd that you consider Jacob to be qualified in any similar capacity to Commander Shepard. He stopped a batarian outbreak or some other on the Citadel, true. But that makes him qualified to Shepard's degree his highly suspect.

Modifié par Il Divo, 28 avril 2010 - 08:45 .

[tonnactus]

Ladi wrote...
ose 4 billion credits could have gone towards a Thanix Cannon, armour plating and improved shields.

I don't recall why Legion is on the Reaper,

A lot of people seems to have weak memories if they really think the reason legion is on the derelict reaper is because of shepardt.No.The geth wanted to understand the data structure/program language of the reaper programs that was used by the heretics.

[Il Divo]

smudboy wrote...

Liara regards the ability for Shepard to house the visions making him have a strong mind, since it would "have destroyed a lesser mind."  That is one necessary quality for carrying the vision.  Once Shepard has the vision (then the other, then the cipher), he's the only one capable of getting over to Ilos.  Because of those events, he's plot integral.

Admittedly I have not played Mass Effect 1 in some time, so I do not recall precisely how conversations with Liara went. But if this is all Liara had to say on the topic, that it would have "destroyed a lesser mind" than this has not necessarily shown that Shepard is irreplaceable. "Lesser mind" indicates that this is a comparative adjective. So lesser in comparison to what? Would a lesser mind than Shepard be destroyed, implying that his is particularly powerful? Or is Liara merely commenting on how any weak human mind would succumb? If the latter case, then an "average" mind could suffice for the beacon.

Demonstrating that Shepard has a strong mind does not demonstrate that all humans have weak minds. Neither does it demonstrate that he is irreplaceable. If any character is able to successfully follow  his path from Eden Prime to Ilos, then he is not irreplaceable. My question to you is this: how do we know that no other human has a strong (or at least average) mind.

So you're arguing ME2 Shepard is irreplaceable because he came from ME1, and thus ME2 wouldn't have happened?  The Collectors seem to be doing just fine for 2 years while Shepard is dead, collecting humans.

My point is that humans are of significance to the Collectors because of Shepard. This is supported by the Collectors attempting to recover Shepard's body, which Illusive Man has become aware of. Not any human's mind you, but specifically Commander John Shepard. This indicates that he has some overarching significance to them which neither Miranda nor Jacob possess. Someone earlier made the point about Harry Potter, how Voldemort chose to 'mark him as  his equal' when any wizard could have been made so. There are some similarities in the two.

Right.  Being The Chosen does not mean integral to the plot, however.  It just implies existence.

Yes and no. 'Chosen' does not mean integral if we can reasonably infer that another character can be chosen to fill the role. This is why Shepard's chosen status does not make him integral in Mass Effect 1. The Alliance is desperate to place a human in the Spectre program to increase their status. If not Shepard, they would have merely chosen their next best candidate and moved on. It's not quite clear what Illusive Man would have done if Shepard had not been chosen.

No.  TIM/Miranda thinks a, b and c.  If Shepard proves that he is integral to the plot, then and only then he is.  Existence does not equal plot integrity.  The Lazarus Project is Shepard, that is fine, that's not the argument. The argument is that Shepard wasn't needed in the plot of ME2, therefore the Lazarus Project wasn't even needed.  If Shepard died post-Lazarus, the plot would've been fine.

Unfortunately Illusive Man is our quest-giver, from a technical stand point. What he thinks is ultimately what matters, even if his qualifying traits are not put to use. In this case, it might very well be true that he did not need someone who had fought a Reaper or was an "icon" to humanity. However that was his qualifier, hence why no other person could fill this particular chosen role. Miranda/Jacob have not fought a Reaper. For some time, they have been part of a shadow organization apparently bent on domination. 

The argument is: ME2 Shepard doesn't do anything that can't be done by anyone else.  You're arguing because the first scene is Shepard and only Shepard in Lazarus.  We're not disputing that.   We're saying TIM/Miranda are morons.  We're saying the Lazarus was a waste, because ME2 Shepard is replaceable.  This is a problem with the plot.  If the plot deemed Shepard vital/integral, then we wouldn't be arguing that.  There is no evidence that I have seen, that makes Shepard integral.

I recall here a bit of dialogue Shepard asks Illusive Man similar to what you are saying : "You could have built an army for what you paid to bring me back. Why?" Illusive Man responds that Shepard is unique: "Not just in ability but what you represent." Clearly Illusive Man feels that Shepard is capable of out-stripping both Miranda and Jacob and looks to his status as a hero as important.

Also, to show that Shepard is replaceable, you'd have to demonstrate why Illusive Man would choose Miranda/Jacob instead of building his army which he very well may have done as an alternative. Illusive Man doe s not have a script explaining to him what his 'chosen' will have to face so that he knows Miranda will be successful. Remember, if you expel Shepard from the plot-line, Mass Effect 2 will play out 2 years earlier than expected. How does this affect the way the story pans out? Freedom's Progress will not happen for another 2 years. What will Miranda do? Will she start investigating the Collectors earlier? Recruit a different squad? She could very well die on some alternate assignment.

-where do his above average combatant skills be plot integral?
-Spectre status in ME2 is not plot integral.
-TIM/MIranda's reasons could be humongous, but existence in the plot does not equal integrity
-Shepard must prove his plot integrity, like in ME1 (visions->cipher->Ilos)

I think you are reading too much into this however. We can safely assume battling the Collectors is a Spectre-level assignment. We also know there are approximately 100 Spectres in existence. What does this tell us? Shepard is an exceptional soldier. If you wish to dispute that he is replaceable, this is acceptable. But using Verner is unthinkable as we have absolutely no indication of his abilities and its implied that he is easily a fool.

Shepard wants to eat a donut out of hunger.   Shepard wants to kiss Tali out of love.  Shepard to e(1...n) out of m(1...n).  Even if one of those things is related to the plot, that doesn't make that person integral to the plot.  It's characterization.  (Unless the entire plot is character driven, where Shepard->events.  However, ME2 is not a character driven story.)

Now, we can argue that "The king died, then the queen died, out of grief."  And that "out of grief" is the plot of the story.  And that's true.  (You're arguing that because Shepard died at the start of ME2, ME2 must exist the way the plot goes, because of its base.)  Shepard could have a few really good reasons to do what he's doing, and that is a good thing for characterization, but it does not show that he's plot integral.  If his actions, and only his actions, cause the series of events to become the plot, (causation), then yes, he would be plot integral.  Why he does it, his motivations, have nothing to do with that: and they should.

It very much demonstrates plot integrity. How a character acts or reacts is all dependent on motivation. This is why to show how a character is replaceable, we must take into account motivation. "If character X does not have sufficient motivation to perform a certain action, then they will not perform that action". That is the issue I have with your point. In blind-siding motivation, you are assuming that characters will perform certain actions any way which is not the case.

To demonstrate how Shepard may be replaced, you must show why another character would have sufficient reason to undergo every action Shepard does. What is Shepard's motivation? "To save humanity/galaxy/whatever. To get vengeance on the Collectors". These are the reasons why he follows a certain path. What is Zaeed's motivation? "Money" which is very different from Shepard's and can impact what actions are taken, including his chosen status. I doubt Illusive Man will entrust a highly advanced warship, millions of credits, and a cerberus crew to a simple mercenary.

We could say that is what makes Frodo an active protagonist.  If Shepard makes a choice (even via the player character) to make the plot continue, we might argue that.  However, that's the equivalent of the reader turning the page, whereupon Shepard is a static character.  If that action and only that action caused the plot to continue, then that action would be plot integral.  If that action could only be done by Shepard because of Shepard's x, y, z, then Shepard would be plot integral.

We have agreed that the role of "hero" or protagonist is not replaceable. Hence why motivation of the protagonist ensures the plot develops. Let's use Jack as an example. She is human, powerful biotic, extremely capable. In terms of combat ability, she probably could manage successfully everything Shepard does in Mass Effect 2. However, she's also psychotic and unpredictable. Her motivations are very unclear and entrusting the entire mission to her is again out of line. That is why motivation is key. Even if Shepard is a passive protagonist, it is important. He is still actively "fighting the Collectors". Why does he go to Horizon? On the suicide mission? "To protect humanity/Galaxy/anything". Motivation is always key to all characters in a story.

Modifié par Il Divo, 02 mai 2010 - 06:25 .

[smudboy]

Il Divo wrote...
My point is that humans are of significance to the Collectors because of Shepard. This is supported by the Collectors attempting to recover Shepard's body, which Illusive Man has become aware of. Not any human's mind you, but specifically Commander John Shepard. This indicates that he has some overarching significance to them which neither Miranda nor Jacob possess. Someone earlier made the point about Harry Potter, how Voldemort chose to 'mark him as  his equal' when any wizard could have been made so. There are some similarities in the two.

That doesn't make Shepard plot integral.

Yes and no. 'Chosen' does not mean integral if we can reasonably infer that another character can be chosen to fill the role. This is why Shepard's chosen status does not make him integral in Mass Effect 1. The Alliance is desperate to place a human in the Spectre program to increase their status. If not Shepard, they would have merely chosen their next best candidate and moved on. It's not quite clear what Illusive Man would have done if Shepard had not been chosen.

Glad we agree.

Unfortunately Illusive Man is our quest-giver, from a technical stand point. What he thinks is ultimately what matters, even if his qualifying traits are not put to use. In this case, it might very well be true that he did not need someone who had fought a Reaper or was an "icon" to humanity. However that was his qualifier, hence why no other person could fill this particular chosen role. Miranda/Jacob have not fought a Reaper. For some time, they have been part of a shadow organization apparently bent on domination. 

Opinions do not make Shepard plot integral.

I recall here a bit of dialogue Shepard asks Illusive Man similar to what you are saying : "You could have built an army for what you paid to bring me back. Why?" Illusive Man responds that Shepard is unique: "Not just in ability but what you represent." Clearly Illusive Man feels that Shepard is capable of out-stripping both Miranda and Jacob and looks to his status as a hero as important.

Irrelevant.  He could have r4,r5,r6 reasons.  If those reasons are not justified in the plot "We brought you back so you could do X(1..n)" he is not plot integral.  If the plot says "Only Shepard could do X(1...n)", then he is plot integral.

Also, to show that Shepard is replaceable, you'd have to demonstrate why Illusive Man would choose Miranda/Jacob instead of building his army which he very well may have done as an alternative. Illusive Man doe s not have a script explaining to him what his 'chosen' will have to face so that he knows Miranda will be successful. Remember, if you expel Shepard from the plot-line, Mass Effect 2 will play out 2 years earlier than expected. How does this affect the way the story pans out? Freedom's Progress will not happen for another 2 years. What will Miranda do? Will she start investigating the Collectors earlier? Recruit a different squad? She could very well die on some alternate assignment.

Speculation assuming a change in plot.  I am not assuming a change in plot.  I am replacing Shepard with ersatz Shepard.  Peoples opinions, dialogue and reactions will be different, but the plot will not be.

I think you are reading too much into this however. We can safely assume battling the Collectors is a Spectre-level assignment. We also know there are approximately 100 Spectres in existence. What does this tell us? Shepard is an exceptional soldier. If you wish to dispute that he is replaceable, this is acceptable. But using Verner is unthinkable as we have absolutely no indication of his abilities and its implied that he is easily a fool.

If Shepard has no plot-specific quality, anyone can replace Shepard.

It very much demonstrates plot integrity. How a character acts or reacts is all dependent on motivation. This is why to show how a character is replaceable, we must take into account motivation. "If character X does not have sufficient motivation to perform a certain action, then they will not perform that action". That is the issue I have with your point. In blind-siding motivation, you are assuming that characters will perform certain actions any way which is not the case.

Unfortunately Shepard has no development, and we cannot infer any of his motivations.

To demonstrate how Shepard may be replaced, you must show why another character would have sufficient reason to undergo every action Shepard does. What is Shepard's motivation? "To save humanity/galaxy/whatever. To get vengeance on the Collectors". These are the reasons why he follows a certain path. What is Zaeed's motivation? "Money" which is very different from Shepard's and can impact what actions are taken, including his chosen status. I doubt Illusive Man will entrust a highly advanced warship, millions of credits, and a cerberus crew to a simple mercenary.

Motivations are irrelevant to plot integrity.

In regards to having a replacement, any flat and static character can replace Shepard: because that's exactly what kind of character Shepard is.

We have agreed that the role of "hero" or protagonist is not replaceable. Hence why motivation of the protagonist ensures the plot develops. Let's use Jack as an example. She is human, powerful biotic, extremely capable. In terms of combat ability, she probably could manage successfully everything Shepard does in Mass Effect 2. However, she's also psychotic and unpredictable. Her motivations are very unclear and entrusting the entire mission to her is again out of line. That is why motivation is key. Even if Shepard is a passive protagonist, it is important. He is still actively "fighting the Collectors". Why does he go to Horizon? On the suicide mission? "To protect humanity/Galaxy/anything". Motivation is always key to all characters in a story.

Aside, Jack is not a psychotic.  (That is merely marketing.)

I agree that motivation would be key, if the plot said it was.  But Shepard has none.  And this is not a story of revenge, doing the right thing, etc.  It's to Stop the Collectors.  And anyone could've replaced Shepard.

An active protagonist is not a passive protagonist.

He goes to Horizon because the plot says so.

[smudboy]

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Modifié par smudboy, 04 mai 2010 - 02:23 .

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Modifié par smudboy, 04 mai 2010 - 02:23 .

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Charisma.

[Whiskey21882]

The reason Shepard is so special is the fact that he received secondary exposure to element zero. Permanent biotic inclination manifests, that and the contact with the Prothean beacon at the start of the first game.