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[Godak]

Seagloom wrote...

@Godak - Actually it was possessed. Which in DA implies demonic possession, or so I thought.

Well, I though you were trying to deviate from the Thedotian norms, what with your Half-Elf Human Dwarfness, and whatnot. 

Seagloom wrote... 

Cotton Candy? Hmm... it's very tempting, but no. I think I'll call my Possessed Half-Elf Dwarf Human pirate Candy. Yeah... Cotton and her faithful sidekick, Candy. I like it!

Oooh! I like it, too!

[Wicked 702]

Seagloom wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

Edit: But yeah I'm used to the "other" forms of elven lore, like D&D or LOTR, where elves are seen as some pristine perfect harmonic nature dealy. In my case I actually found that idea desirable. So poo....

Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't act like a rabid fan the way some like to. I used to like them too at one point. Even now, it would be a stretch to say I despise them. Every once in awhile I toy around with the idea of playing an elf, but it hasn't happened in years. They just don't interest me like they used to.

I'd consider myself a serious role-player, in that I have preferences based on personal taste but no overwhelming biases. I would prefer to play a large variety of characters, just to have the experience. I'm just enchanted with the concept of elvish culture, particularly the drow, and the directions in which those lead. But I'll play any character assuming it fits the role of the situation.

I would also get annoyed at anyone vehemently protesting the ultimate awesomeness of "this race" or "that class". Aggressive love (or hatred) of anything can get pretty tiresome....

Except waffles.

[Nhadalie]

I love elves. Some of the cultural stuff you can explore in D&D settings is amazing.(Like arrogant members of Eldreth Veluuthra.)


With that said. I also really like DA elves. Because you see more of what other cultures think of them as, and less of the usual elven vanity.(With their grand cities, talented artists, super long lifetimes, and short yet elegant and worshipped bodies. I'm joking a bit with that. But elves in D&D are generally considered to exist for the fanboys.)

I also like that they're considered outcasts by most other races. Instead of them being off in their own xenophobic country and ways. (Where very few humans ever go/are allowed. Evermeet and Evereska, I'm looking at you. )


Also. We need more elven male love interests. The elven female love interest is so cliche at this point. And we've only gotten one canonical male elven love interest as far as I know of.(Alas, Xan's romance was only a mod.)

Modifié par Nhadalie, 16 avril 2010 - 11:25 .

[orpheus333]

Nhadalie wrote...


Also. We need more elven male love interests. The elven female love interest is so cliche at this point. And we've only gotten one canonical male elven love interest as far as I know of.(Alas, Xan's romance was only a mod.)

Really? You have Aerie, Viconia, Jaheira. While Viconias was pretty cliche as dark elf stories go jaheiras was pretty well passed and thought provoking. I never played Aeries because she was incredibly annoying. 

[Seagloom]

My last elf actually game from Evereska. She was a Sun-Elf no less and started off as considerably haughty. But over the years she fell in love with a human and was set straight after many, many, MANY arguments over elven superiority. Her family was plain deranged though. Her brother in particular was a lunatic and they had a love/hate relationship until he was killed by my character's human lover.



I totally get the appeal of elven and drow culture. It's varied and layered. There is a great deal to it. Sadly in my experience it's often ignored by players or diminished when those around you hardly know any and play elves like humans. And that's just the tip of the iceberg really. Between all my role-playing experiences playing elves, interacting with elf and drow players, and my tiring of their portrayal my interest in them was finally killed.



It's funny you mention the Eldreth Veluuthra too, as they are one of 3e's worst examples of elven silliness in a setting. I mean, a druid lich? Really? Uh... no. (They were much better in 2e though.)

[Seagloom]

andyr1986 wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...


Also. We need more elven male love interests. The elven female love interest is so cliche at this point. And we've only gotten one canonical male elven love interest as far as I know of.(Alas, Xan's romance was only a mod.)

Really? You have Aerie, Viconia, Jaheira. While Viconias was pretty cliche as dark elf stories go jaheiras was pretty well passed and thought provoking. I never played Aeries because she was incredibly annoying. 

She meant elven males. Other than Zevran there haven't been any in a BioWare game. I have to agree I found it weird even back then that all three male love interests were some variation of elf. Probably why most of the romance mods are human or extraplanar.

[orpheus333]

Seagloom wrote...

andyr1986 wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...


Also. We need more elven male love interests. The elven female love interest is so cliche at this point. And we've only gotten one canonical male elven love interest as far as I know of.(Alas, Xan's romance was only a mod.)

Really? You have Aerie, Viconia, Jaheira. While Viconias was pretty cliche as dark elf stories go jaheiras was pretty well passed and thought provoking. I never played Aeries because she was incredibly annoying. 

She meant elven males. Other than Zevran there haven't been any in a BioWare game. I have to agree I found it weird even back then that all three male love interests were some variation of elf. Probably why most of the romance mods are human or extraplanar.

Ahh sorry then. The female love interest were all underdeveloped in those days. Its good that DA and ME2 have set it right to a certain extent. 

[Statulos]

Nhadalie wrote...

I love elves. Some of the cultural stuff you can explore in D&D settings is amazing.(Like arrogant members of Eldreth Veluuthra.)


With that said. I also really like DA elves. Because you see more of what other cultures think of them as, and less of the usual elven vanity.(With their grand cities, talented artists, super long lifetimes, and short yet elegant and worshipped bodies. I'm joking a bit with that. But elves in D&D are generally considered to exist for the fanboys.)

I also like that they're considered outcasts by most other races. Instead of them being off in their own xenophobic country and ways. (Where very few humans ever go/are allowed. Evermeet and Evereska, I'm looking at you. )


Also. We need more elven male love interests. The elven female love interest is so cliche at this point. And we've only gotten one canonical male elven love interest as far as I know of.(Alas, Xan's romance was only a mod.)

I hate most of the elves in most of the settings with the exception of the ones in Dragon Age. That´s why drow are amazing.

[Nhadalie]

andyr1986 wrote...

Really? You have Aerie, Viconia, Jaheira. While Viconias was pretty cliche as dark elf stories go jaheiras was pretty well passed and thought provoking. I never played Aeries because she was incredibly annoying. 

...I said male elf love interests. As in male elves to romance. I'm female, I pretty much only play female characters. There are tons of elven female romances across a bunch of games. There are almost no males.

Seagloom wrote...

My last elf actually game from Evereska.
She was a Sun-Elf no less and started off as considerably haughty. But
over the years she fell in love with a human and was set straight after
many, many, MANY arguments over elven superiority. Her family was plain
deranged though. Her brother in particular was a lunatic and they had a
love/hate relationship until he was killed by my character's human
lover.

I totally get the appeal of elven and drow culture. It's
varied and layered. There is a great deal to it. Sadly in my experience
it's often ignored by players or diminished when those around you hardly
know any and play elves like humans. And that's just the tip of the
iceberg really. Between all my role-playing experiences playing elves,
interacting with elf and drow players, and my tiring of their portrayal
my interest in them was finally killed.

It's funny you mention
the Eldreth Veluuthra too, as they are one of 3e's worst examples of
elven silliness in a setting. I mean, a druid lich? Really? Uh... no.
(They were much better in 2e though.)

I completely agree about how disappointing it is being surrounded by people who don't know any of the elven lore.(And it's just going to get worse with 4th edition. Considering they pretty much threw out all elven lore.)

I mentioned Eldreth Veluuthra because there aren't many other xenophobic organizations in D&D. It's something pretty unique to elven culture.(Honestly, I don't know much about the organization. Mostly bits and pieces I've caught from seeing them mentioned in different mods, and from what I could find in my research. There's a mod that gives you a romanceable male elven druid for IWD2. He's a member of Eldreth Veluuthra.)

[Nibroc17]

lols its fine where im standing from. What u not like ******'s or something?

[Nhadalie]

Statulos wrote...
I hate most of the elves in most of the settings with the exception of the ones in Dragon Age. That´s why drow are amazing.

I actually like both elves and drow. The lore between both of the groups is interesting. And drow society is particularly interesting simply because of how screwed up and matriachal it is.(I so like the matriachal bit though. The really twisted things they all do, not so much, even though it is still interesting.)

[Statulos]

Nhadalie wrote...

Statulos wrote...
I hate most of the elves in most of the settings with the exception of the ones in Dragon Age. That´s why drow are amazing.

I actually like both elves and drow. The lore between both of the groups is interesting. And drow society is particularly interesting simply because of how screwed up and matriachal it is.(I so like the matriachal bit though. The really twisted things they all do, not so much, even though it is still interesting.)

More than matriarchal, (that is what shocks people), the important thing to understand is that it´s a theocracy from a NE divinity.

Still, the whole elven pride BS is amazing considering that even in their so beloved undestanding of magic, human cultures are far beyound them.

[Seagloom]

Nhadalie wrote...

I completely agree about how disappointing it is being surrounded by people who don't know any of the elven lore.(And it's just going to get worse with 4th edition. Considering they pretty much threw out all elven lore.)

I mentioned Eldreth Veluuthra because there aren't many other xenophobic organizations in D&D. It's something pretty unique to elven culture.(Honestly, I don't know much about the organization. Mostly bits and pieces I've caught from seeing them mentioned in different mods, and from what I could find in my research. There's a mod that gives you a romanceable male elven druid for IWD2. He's a member of Eldreth Veluuthra.)

There are actually a crazy amount of xenophobic organizations. But most of them are not elven, no. The Eldreth Veluuthra is pretty much it for surface elves. Some would say the Fey'ri are too, to an extent, but those aren't exactly elves, sooo...

It was a unique idea to start. Elven racism has always existed, but EV was the first to bring their hate to a boil and come together as a group. I don't blame you for mentioning them. It's just a sore point for me because 3e made them out to be a bit silly. Come to think of it, 3e changed a lot in that direction towards the end.

Modifié par Seagloom, 16 avril 2010 - 11:59 .

[Seagloom]

Statulos wrote...

Still, the whole elven pride BS is amazing considering that even in their so beloved undestanding of magic, human cultures are far beyound them.

Culturally, yes. Magically? No. Not much compares to elven high magic, as much as I would like to believe otherwise. It's a different story in other settings, of course.

Modifié par Seagloom, 16 avril 2010 - 11:57 .

[Statulos]

Seagloom wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Still, the whole elven pride BS is amazing considering that even in their so beloved undestanding of magic, human cultures are far beyound them.

Culturally, yes. Magically? No. Not much compares to elven high magic, as much as I would like to believe otherwise. It's a different story in other settings, of course.

One word: Netheril.

[Seagloom]

Statulos wrote...

One word: Netheril.

Netheril endured for a much shorter period than any elven civilization though. Its secrets are also largely forgotten save for a handful of living mages from that period possessing some of that knowledge. Elves still possess most of their old arcane secrets.

Netheril is not the best example of human mastery of magic either. It gets way more hype than it deserves. Imaskar was a much more powerful magocracy that predated Netheril and existed for a longer period. They had spells that could keep even divinities from meddling in their affairs. (Imaskari disliked gods and made enemies of them.) I'm not saying humans suck. I prefer them after all. Only that elves have used magic longer and more efficiently than humans in the Forgotten Realms. At least that is my understanding from reading it.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 avril 2010 - 12:09 .

[Statulos]

Netheril is very much alive in the form of reincarnations, from the Uthgard or the Bedin to Halruaa.



If the nasty stuff has not been rediscovered is thanks to a group of nice people called the Cult of the Broken Peak that keeps it buried and "forgotten".



But the point is clear: nobody except Netheril had the actual capacity to kill a god (godess in this case) straight and directly by draining her the spark of divinity.

[Dark Lilith]

Nibroc17 wrote...

lols its fine where im standing from. What u not like ******'s or something?

"classic!"

[Giant ambush beetle]

Should Bioware stop showing so much cleavage and leg in there games?

No.

I am fine with cleavage, and there is nothing wrong with legs. b


I'd really hate to see future characters run around in nun robes. 

Modifié par The Woldan , 17 avril 2010 - 12:35 .

[Statulos]

The Woldan wrote...

Should Bioware stop showing so much cleavage and leg in there games?

No.

I am fine with cleavage, and there is nothing wrong with legs. b


I'd really hate to see future characters run around in nun robes. 

There IS something wrong with legs: I cannot get enough of them!

Modifié par Statulos, 17 avril 2010 - 12:36 .

[Seagloom]

Statulos wrote...

Netheril is very much alive in the form of reincarnations, from the Uthgard or the Bedin to Halruaa.

If the nasty stuff has not been rediscovered is thanks to a group of nice people called the Cult of the Broken Peak that keeps it buried and "forgotten".

But the point is clear: nobody except Netheril had the actual capacity to kill a god (godess in this case) straight and directly by draining her the spark of divinity.

Bedine and Uthgardt are hardly examples of magical might however. Halruaa has come a long way on the other hand, but they really are are no more advanced than Thay. Their biggest achievement are flying ships.

I'm actually surprised you brought up Karsus' attempt at stealing godhood since it was technically a failure. He stole the spark long enough to realize he couldn't control it and prevent the effects of his spell would have on magic. I always took that story as a cautionary tale of wizardly hubris more than anything. Netheril did have noteworthy achievements, but most of them are less than what the Imaskari empire accomplished and their secrets are lost to the world, save for a handful of archmages like Larloch.

Are you familiar with the Sundering? There is a good example of elven high magic. A spell of such magnitude that it changed the entire continent's landscape. Or what about True Mythals? (Not the watered down kind of Silverymoon but the real thing.)

I'm sure we're just going to keep disagreeing here, but I'm honestly curious what you think about those. I'd actually *like* to be convinced humans are better at magic.

[Nhadalie]

Statulos wrote...

More than matriarchal, (that is what shocks people), the important thing to understand is that it´s a theocracy from a NE divinity.

Still, the whole elven pride BS is amazing considering that even in their so beloved undestanding of magic, human cultures are far beyound them.

I believe Lloth is chaotic evil, actually..


And I wouldn't say neccessarily that human cultures are far beyond them in terms of magic. An elf can live to be about 700 years old, easily. Can you imagine how powerful an elven mage could become in 700 years?

But then, elves don't have anyone like Elminster that we know of. Which is a bit different, since that's tying into certain mages having Mystra's favor, and special powers and abilities from her. The Elven pantheon don't interact in quite the same way as the human one does from what I know.

Seagloom wrote...


There are actually a crazy amount of
xenophobic organizations. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie] But
most of them are not elven, no. The Eldreth Veluuthra is pretty much it
for surface elves. Some would say the Fey'ri are too, to an extent, but
those aren't exactly elves, sooo...

It was a unique idea to
start. Elven racism has always existed, but EV was the first to bring
their hate to a boil and come together as a group. I don't blame you for
mentioning them. It's just a sore point for me because 3e made them out
to be a bit silly. Come to think of it, 3e changed a lot in that
direction towards the end.

I don't know of any other xenophobic organizations in D&D, personally. I wouldn't consider Fey'ri an organization though. They're a bunch of sun elven houses that interbred with demons/devils.(I'm not sure which, offhand.) Most of whom have been killed off by this point in D&D lore.


Honestly, I never looked that deeply into specific rule sets for D&D. Simply because I don't have the opportunity to play PnP. I've only played it maybe.. 5 times. And we don't have any of the specific rule books, just the basic ones.(Except for a few old old 2 ed, and advanced D&D rulebooks that are around here somewhere. But our newer edition rule books are all the basics. Player's handbook, DM guide, etc.)

[Giant ambush beetle]

Statulos wrote...

There IS something wrong with legs: I cannot get enough of them!

And there is nothing wrong with not getting enough of legs in Bioware games! 

[Statulos]

Nhadalie wrote...
And I wouldn't say neccessarily that human cultures are far beyond them in terms of magic. An elf can live to be about 700 years old, easily. Can you imagine how powerful an elven mage could become in 700 years?

Lifespan and magues? Eeehm... That´s irrelevant considering people such as Larloch or Harlaster.

[Tirigon]

Lol why so much elf hate here? Elves are awesome, and if there are no elves anymore we can as well start dressing all women in games in a burka. Elves and asari, that´s the way to go!!! If you want humans, get them in Real Life!!!!





Besides, I feel not loved if you flame about long ears. Respect my feelings, please.