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[Nhadalie]

Statulos wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...
And I wouldn't say neccessarily that human cultures are far beyond them in terms of magic. An elf can live to be about 700 years old, easily. Can you imagine how powerful an elven mage could become in 700 years?

Lifespan and magues? Eeehm... That´s irrelevant considering people such as Larloch or Harlaster.

Not really. I'm pretty sure elves could become liches too.


But elves as a whole tend to abhor undead. So it's much more unlikely for them to become liches.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

I don't think there were enough diverse female romances in DA. They were all human, boring. I wanted a female elf(half-elf is also acceptable) LI for my char. I was quite disappointed when all I got was Zevran(and he just annoyed me).

[Seagloom]

Nhadalie wrote...

Not really. I'm pretty sure elves could become liches too.


But elves as a whole tend to abhor undead. So it's much more unlikely for them to become liches.

Funny you bring that up because I was about to mention there is an elven woman that is almost Elminster's equivalent: The Srinshee. She is a baelnorn elven high mage and also a Chosen of Mystra.

Also, I stand corrected and should rephrase my earlier point. You are right that there are no other organizations with racist goals as their primary agenda. What I meant was there are several organizations with strong racist tendencies. Not quite the same thing, in hindsight.

As far as the Fey'ri are concerned I agree on a logical level. However, older editions treated them as if they were an organization; complete with group logo ala the Harpers or Zhentarim.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 avril 2010 - 12:59 .

[Nhadalie]

Seagloom wrote...

Funny you bring that up because I was about to mention there is an elven woman that is almost Elminster's equivalent: The Srinshee. She is a baelnorn elven high mage and also a Chosen of Mystra.

Also, I stand corrected and should rephrase my earlier point. You are right that there are no other organizations with racist goals as their primary agenda. What I meant was there are several organizations with strong racist tendencies. Not quite the same thing, in hindsight.

As far as the Fey'ri are concerned I agree on a logical level. However, older editions treated them as if they were an organization; complete with group logo ala the Harpers or Zhentarim.

I don't understand why an elven woman would be a chosen of Mystra. Wouldn't it be more likely for her to be favored by Corellon?(Since he's the elven god of magic.)

No worries. Though there is quite a big difference between "WE ARE GOING TO ERADICATE ALL OTHER RACES." and "Well, hey. Let's kill some of these ~insert other race here~ along the way. Why? Because I hate them. :whistle:"

I didn't know Fey'ri had their own group logo. Huh. Go figure, you learn new things every day.


But back on topic. I don't think that someone necessarily has to show skin to be sexy. Unfortunately, it's a bit more difficult to convey seductive movement, or mannerisms in games.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 17 avril 2010 - 01:04 .

[Statulos]

Thay tends to be brutally racist and no less classist. How many non humans sit among the Zulkir? How many of them are not Thayan?

Nhadalie wrote...
I don't understand why an elven woman would
be a chosen of Mystra. Wouldn't it be more likely for her to be favored
by Corellon?(Since he's the elven god of magic.)

Simple; why having an agreement with a high leven Weave user when you can have an agreement with the Weave itself?

Modifié par Statulos, 17 avril 2010 - 01:06 .

[Seagloom]

Nhadalie wrote...

I don't understand why an elven woman would be a chosen of Mystra. Wouldn't it be more likely for her to be favored by Corellon?(Since he's the elven god of magic.)

She is tied up with the whole Myth Drannor thing which Elminster and Mystra also have an interest in. Until 1377 the Srinshee held the Court Blade meant for the next elven king that would usher in a golden age for elves on Faerûn proper once they retook the city.

The Silent Chosen, Alvaerele Tasundrym is a half-elf. Not the same thing but throwing that in there. Quite a few elven mages worship Mystra. Corellon is a god of magic but Mystra is the Weave itself, so unsurprisingly several ancient mages follow her. Even Larloch, who is undeniably evil has a close relationship with Mystra.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 avril 2010 - 01:13 .

[Nhadalie]

Statulos wrote...

Simple; why having an agreement with a high leven Weave user when you can have an agreement with the Weave itself?

Mystra isn't technically the weave itself. She controls the Weave. There's a difference. And I don't remember ever hearing how the other pantheons worked with things like the Weave.(Whether they were in control of it partially for their own race, or just someone who uses it.)

To me, making someone of another race without a proper backstory to explain it, a chosen of Mystra seems like further making them less of their original race and more human.(But I don't know the backstory either. The only situation in which that I can think of an elf worshipping a human goddess would be if they were raised among humans.)


Sigh. Suffice it to say that either I don't know enough about it, or it just doesn't make sense to me.

Modifié par Nhadalie, 17 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

[Seagloom]

Actually Nhadalie, I gotta go with Statulos on this one. (See? We can agree. ) Mystra is the embodiment of the Weave itself. The Weave being the interface by which mortals and gods in the Realms access the raw force of magic. It is why she can deny anyone, even other divinities, access to arcane magic at will. It also why she was so powerful that she was forced to store portions of her divinity in the Seven Sisters and other Chosen.

Other gods of magic tend to put a spin on it. For instance, Azuth is a god of wizards. Velsharoon specifically governs necromancers and Savras diviners. Corellon has purview over elven high magic, and so on...

Overarching power over magic itself is all Mystra. There can actually be no two gods in the Realms with the same portfolio unless one is a demigod. If Corellon really wanted to be a true god of magic he would have to take it from Mystra somehow.

Edit: I will stop my participation in this side trip here. Others must be tiring of all the FR talk by now.

Modifié par Seagloom, 17 avril 2010 - 01:22 .

[Statulos]

Nhadalie wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Simple; why having an agreement with a high leven Weave user when you can have an agreement with the Weave itself?

Mystra isn't technically the weave itself. She controls the Weave. There's a difference. And I don't remember ever hearing how the other pantheons worked with things like the Weave.(Whether they were in control of it partially for their own race, or just someone who uses it.)

To me, making someone of another race without a proper backstory to explain it, a chosen of Mystra seems like further making them less of their original race and more human.(But I don't know the backstory either. The only situation in which that I can think of an elf worshipping a human goddess would be if they were raised among humans.)


Sigh. Suffice it to say that either I don't know enough about it, or it just doesn't make sense to me.

That is true for Shar and the Dark one; she controls it but she´s not it. Remember what I told about Netheril? That exactly why everything was ****ed up; because by draining Mystril´s divine essence; the Weave was literaly destroyed.

[Wicked 702]

Can we roll some characters now? I've got the itch thanks to all ya'll....

[chiliztri]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Red Sonja is pretty much the reasons why we have stuff like this.

I don't see what you mean :innocent:

[Statulos]

It started with that and then we had Miller´s 300...

I can tell you that if we are realistic, it would be hard to realize that a lady is beneath all the real world gear.

And that´s why I love RPG! Because you can get stilettos, blood and blades at the same time!

Modifié par Statulos, 17 avril 2010 - 01:47 .

[chiliztri]

Don't forget chainmail bikinis.

[Kohaku]

They are a must. Lobby!

[Statulos]

chiliztri wrote...

Don't forget chainmail bikinis.

I have manufactured several, actually; and they look far better on the screen than in real life; even worn by ravishing ladies.

[Kohaku]

Statulos wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

Don't forget chainmail bikinis.

I have manufactured several, actually; and they look far better on the screen than in real life; even worn by ravishing ladies.

Are they comfortable?

[Statulos]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Statulos wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

Don't forget chainmail bikinis.

I have manufactured several, actually; and they look far better on the screen than in real life; even worn by ravishing ladies.

Are they comfortable?

No, at all. You should never wear chainmail on bare skin; and if that bare skin is the crotch or nipples, you will regret it.

[Seagloom]

Ah, Red Sonja... >.> There is one artwork I saw of her hefting a giant axe over her shoulder. It looked beautiful. She was covered up in skins and tattered clothes and was further from total nudity than usual. I'm not a big fan but I acknowledge great art when I see it and some very good artists have worked on that character.

[Tirigon]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

Statulos wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

Don't forget chainmail bikinis.

I have manufactured several, actually; and they look far better on the screen than in real life; even worn by ravishing ladies.

Are they comfortable?

As a man I do of course not have own experiences with that, but I once read about that stuff and everyone agreed that it´s freat AND comfortable.

[Statulos]

As a manufacturer I can tell you that it´s not.

[Cascadus]

I support the return of hardsuits and outfits that make sense within the context of the universe.

[Dark Lilith]

embrace the wonderfulness of the female body!

[Giant ambush beetle]

Dark Lilith wrote...

embrace the wonderfulness of the female body!

 

Yes, daily.  

Modifié par The Woldan , 17 avril 2010 - 07:46 .