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[WingsandRings]

I tried to just to see Zev's reaction but stupid Wynne was stepping all over his lines and getting her nosy 2 cents in. Geez, Wynne, shut up already.

[Sarah1281]

WingsandRings wrote...

I tried to just to see Zev's reaction but stupid Wynne was stepping all over his lines and getting her nosy 2 cents in. Geez, Wynne, shut up already.

Wynne's protest was kind of funny, though. She says killing the elves is wrong, you point out you're not being paid to save the elves, she agrees that you're right. Makes her protest seem a bit perfunctory, huh?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 15 avril 2010 - 02:53 .

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

WingsandRings wrote...

I tried to just to see Zev's reaction but stupid Wynne was stepping all over his lines and getting her nosy 2 cents in. Geez, Wynne, shut up already.

Wynne's protest was kind of funny, though. She says killing the elves is wrong, you point out you're not being paid to save the elves, she agrees that you're right. Makes her protest seem a bit perfunctory, huh?

Maybe she is Lucrosian.

[ejoslin]

Sarah1281 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran is nothing but a sleazy assassin who has no feelings and is evil and stuff. He just tries to talk the warden out of doing bad or stupid stuff because he likes to argue.

Edit: I know all of this because I leave him in camp always.

Okay, I'm experiencing some MAJOR cognitive dissonance here...

Bored, seeing if I could fool anyone!

Well the post combined with the signature might confuse some.

Darn, I knew there was something wrong with my plan.

Ok, yes, Zevran gets upset over interesting things.  He has surprising compassion for the helpless.  Probably because he was there.  He also is very pragmatic which may make him seem evil in a good vs evil way, BUT there's precious little good vs evil in DAO.  He sees the big picture.

One thing I really like about him is, as was said earlier, he DOES speak his mind beforehand. If he thinks you're being stupid, he'll tell you so.  He is not afraid to speak for the group.  This irritates some, but I think that he's very good at sizing up situations. 

Ok, squee time over.  No one was fooled by my original post anyway.

Edit: And Wynne's main concern seems to be what others think the real moral thing is to do.  She just spouts off what sounds good and what was drilled into her.  If you're able to challenge her, she gets confused easily.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 avril 2010 - 02:54 .

[TotalLamer]

Sarah1281 wrote...

WingsandRings wrote...

I tried to just to see Zev's reaction but stupid Wynne was stepping all over his lines and getting her nosy 2 cents in. Geez, Wynne, shut up already.

Wynne's protest was kind of funny, though. She says killing the elves is wrong, you point out you're not being paid to save the elves, she agrees that you're right. Makes her protest seem a bit perfunctory, huh?

Always bring Morrigan, myself.  Even if she is frakking annoying sometimes with the things she disapproves of.

[Chend]

I'm planing to kill off the elves in my next play through. I've been looking forward to it for a long time. I can't stand the Dalish elves.

[thegreateski]

TotalLamer wrote...

...persuade Swiftrunner / the Forest Spirit to kill the Dalish.  Never knew he had it in him!  Not that I did it in my actual game... Save before and Reload with the acheivement.   On that note, how many of you evil folks went through with it?

Several times.

My job is to stop the blight . . . not give a damn about some ages old feud.

[TotalLamer]

Chend wrote... I can't stand the Dalish elves.

Why?

I can imagine they'd be fairly... agressive towards you if you come in as a Human, but what would you expect?  Their civilization has been destroyed by Humans TWICE now.

[Sarah1281]

TotalLamer wrote...

Chend wrote... I can't stand the Dalish elves.

Why?

I can imagine they'd be fairly... agressive towards you if you come in as a Human, but what would you expect?  Their civilization has been destroyed by Humans TWICE now.

They're almost just as bad to dwarves and city elves. If they're rude to everyone but fellow Dalish - justified or not - they can't expect non-Dalish to be able to stand them.

[TotalLamer]

Sarah1281 wrote...

TotalLamer wrote...

Chend wrote... I can't stand the Dalish elves.

Why?

I can imagine they'd be fairly... agressive towards you if you come in as a Human, but what would you expect?  Their civilization has been destroyed by Humans TWICE now.

They're almost just as bad to dwarves and city elves. If they're rude to everyone but fellow Dalish - justified or not - they can't expect non-Dalish to be able to stand them.

My PC certainly isn't helping matters... I chose the "kill all 3 of them" option in the origin story.  /giggle

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Stupid shems.

[Darthnemesis2]

The only character I've killed the dalish with is my DC, and he also killed all the mages, gave bahlen golem power, and will recruit Loghain if I ever get around to finishing his story. Basically he's my achievement getter, and I hate him with a passion. Plus I spec'd him stupidly and dont like playing as him.

As for Zev, under that rough "everyone dies" exterior is a very kind and caring person. I Zev

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

I slaughter those pathetic dalish elves ruthlessly. They deserve no pitances, the are a shame in the eys of all the dales. How dare they let such a petty squable involving one person to curse and entire forest. plus the lady of the forest is super hot, god I wish she was in my party

[Chuvvy]

TotalLamer wrote...

...persuade Swiftrunner / the Forest Spirit to kill the Dalish.  Never knew he had it in him!  Not that I did it in my actual game... Save before and Reload with the acheivement.   On that note, how many of you evil folks went through with it?

I did and I accidently cut off Mithra's head. Felt bad man. Other than that it was cool, killing Cammen felt good. I don't like that guy.

Modifié par Slidell505, 15 avril 2010 - 06:24 .

[Chuvvy]

Lintanis wrote...

Never had Zevran get mad at me, cus never used him or Sten. They never seem to fit in to my party

Then your doin' it wrong.

[zchen]

There's always the Wolf Shop mod if losing source of elfroots etc is your reason for keeping the Dalish around.....it's even voiced by the mod creator...heh



http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=754

[Costin_Razvan]

I always do the Dalish Last. Not because the quest itself is hard, but the whole Juggernaugt thing is a bloody nightmare.



So I never had an issue with the elfroot guy when I killed them. ( which was twice out of my 3 playthroughs. )



I enjoy seeing Cammen dead.

[Aisynia]

I kill the Dalish on a regular basis, albeit I haven't tried it with Zevran around.

I ****ing despise the Dalish.

There's an .. "event horizon", if you will, or a critical mass of bitterness and hatred.. a line you cross where you stop being sympathetic, and no amount of petting puppies will bring you back.

I understand the Dalish have their reasons to be unhappy, but it's their attitude.. almost like they see that they have a societal responsibility to be as bitter and hate-filled as possible. That is what makes them so damned reprehensible to me. City Elves have way more reasons to be bitter and unhappy about their lot in life, and then the Dalish discriminate against them too a lot of the time.

I think the Dalish are intentionally written as an example of bitterness over a wound (grievous or not) taken way too far. Zathrian is a perfect example, and while he might seem like the worst, BOTH hahrens you meet (in the origin and in the Brecilian) are very difficult people to like. This bitter, hate-filled jerk who knows nothing but spouting hate is the one responsible for teaching future generations? That explains a lot I guess. Even Lanaya, who is apparently supposed to come off as a sympathetic really comes off as a holier-than-thou, uppity, arrogant, condescending, know-it-all ****.

Should humans and Dalish make nice, learn to get along, make reparations, etcetera? Sure, but as long as the Dalish keep behaving like that, they won't ever be welcome anywhere.

So yeah, screw the Dalish.

I only sided against the Werewolves once, ON my Dalish elf, and then restarted days after being distracted by another character and took the middle ground.

Modifié par Aisynia, 15 avril 2010 - 08:57 .

[Chuvvy]

TotalLamer wrote...

Chend wrote... I can't stand the Dalish elves.

Why?

I can imagine they'd be fairly... agressive towards you if you come in as a Human, but what would you expect?  Their civilization has been destroyed by Humans TWICE now.

Like 700 years ago, I think that's more than enough time for a wound to heal. Not as bad as the Quarians though.

Modifié par Slidell505, 15 avril 2010 - 09:34 .

[Mlai00]

I've said it before... the Werewolves are better off being Werewolves. If you cure them, what will they become? Landless human peasant refugees caught in the middle of a land torn by civil war and Blight.

Yay, you just created a bunch of additional Lothering refugees. GJ.

But if you leave them as werewolves, you preserve an unique culture that is proud and powerful, laughing in the face of a Blight.  Co-existing with nature, and guided by a stable immortal spiritual leader.  They are the true Wardens of the Forest.

Modifié par Mlai00, 15 avril 2010 - 01:32 .

[TotalLamer]

Mlai00 wrote...

I've said it before... the Werewolves are better off being Werewolves. If you cure them, what will they become? Landless human peasant refugees caught in the middle of a land torn by civil war and Blight.

Yay, you just created a bunch of additional Lothering refugees. GJ.

But if you leave them as werewolves, you preserve an unique culture that is proud and powerful, laughing in the face of a Blight.  Co-existing with nature, and guided by a stable immortal spiritual leader.  They are the true Wardens of the Forest.

Proud?  Last I saw they were anything but proud of being werewolves... wanted anything but, in fact.

[Patriciachr34]

Uhmm...yeah true warden's of the forest with a curse that burns painfully in your blood and drives most insane.  Yes.  Letting these creatures stay wolfish is kind.

[Sharn01]

Aisynia wrote...

I kill the Dalish on a regular basis, albeit I haven't tried it with Zevran around.

I ****ing despise the Dalish.

There's an .. "event horizon", if you will, or a critical mass of bitterness and hatred.. a line you cross where you stop being sympathetic, and no amount of petting puppies will bring you back.

I understand the Dalish have their reasons to be unhappy, but it's their attitude.. almost like they see that they have a societal responsibility to be as bitter and hate-filled as possible. That is what makes them so damned reprehensible to me. City Elves have way more reasons to be bitter and unhappy about their lot in life, and then the Dalish discriminate against them too a lot of the time.

I think the Dalish are intentionally written as an example of bitterness over a wound (grievous or not) taken way too far. Zathrian is a perfect example, and while he might seem like the worst, BOTH hahrens you meet (in the origin and in the Brecilian) are very difficult people to like. This bitter, hate-filled jerk who knows nothing but spouting hate is the one responsible for teaching future generations? That explains a lot I guess. Even Lanaya, who is apparently supposed to come off as a sympathetic really comes off as a holier-than-thou, uppity, arrogant, condescending, know-it-all ****.

Should humans and Dalish make nice, learn to get along, make reparations, etcetera? Sure, but as long as the Dalish keep behaving like that, they won't ever be welcome anywhere.

So yeah, screw the Dalish.

I only sided against the Werewolves once, ON my Dalish elf, and then restarted days after being distracted by another character and took the middle ground.

Since humans form armies to slaughter any Dalish settlement they find I would like you to tell me how the Dalish are suppose to play nice with humans?  Yes, I guess they could sell themselves into a life of poverty and/or slavery like the city elves and have the human religion forced on them to get along, what a great life that would be as you already stated by pointing out that city elves have it worse.

[Aisynia]

Sharn01 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

I kill the Dalish on a regular basis, albeit I haven't tried it with Zevran around.

I ****ing despise the Dalish.

There's an .. "event horizon", if you will, or a critical mass of bitterness and hatred.. a line you cross where you stop being sympathetic, and no amount of petting puppies will bring you back.

I understand the Dalish have their reasons to be unhappy, but it's their attitude.. almost like they see that they have a societal responsibility to be as bitter and hate-filled as possible. That is what makes them so damned reprehensible to me. City Elves have way more reasons to be bitter and unhappy about their lot in life, and then the Dalish discriminate against them too a lot of the time.

I think the Dalish are intentionally written as an example of bitterness over a wound (grievous or not) taken way too far. Zathrian is a perfect example, and while he might seem like the worst, BOTH hahrens you meet (in the origin and in the Brecilian) are very difficult people to like. This bitter, hate-filled jerk who knows nothing but spouting hate is the one responsible for teaching future generations? That explains a lot I guess. Even Lanaya, who is apparently supposed to come off as a sympathetic really comes off as a holier-than-thou, uppity, arrogant, condescending, know-it-all ****.

Should humans and Dalish make nice, learn to get along, make reparations, etcetera? Sure, but as long as the Dalish keep behaving like that, they won't ever be welcome anywhere.

So yeah, screw the Dalish.

I only sided against the Werewolves once, ON my Dalish elf, and then restarted days after being distracted by another character and took the middle ground.

Since humans form armies to slaughter any Dalish settlement they find I would like you to tell me how the Dalish are suppose to play nice with humans?  Yes, I guess they could sell themselves into a life of poverty and/or slavery like the city elves and have the human religion forced on them to get along, what a great life that would be as you already stated by pointing out that city elves have it worse.

That doesn't happen anymore, Mithra even says so point blank.

[Sarah1281]

They do, however, still engage in burning tactics to avoid having the Dalish camp near them.

[Sharn01]

Aisynia wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

I kill the Dalish on a regular basis, albeit I haven't tried it with Zevran around.

I ****ing despise the Dalish.

There's an .. "event horizon", if you will, or a critical mass of bitterness and hatred.. a line you cross where you stop being sympathetic, and no amount of petting puppies will bring you back.

I understand the Dalish have their reasons to be unhappy, but it's their attitude.. almost like they see that they have a societal responsibility to be as bitter and hate-filled as possible. That is what makes them so damned reprehensible to me. City Elves have way more reasons to be bitter and unhappy about their lot in life, and then the Dalish discriminate against them too a lot of the time.

I think the Dalish are intentionally written as an example of bitterness over a wound (grievous or not) taken way too far. Zathrian is a perfect example, and while he might seem like the worst, BOTH hahrens you meet (in the origin and in the Brecilian) are very difficult people to like. This bitter, hate-filled jerk who knows nothing but spouting hate is the one responsible for teaching future generations? That explains a lot I guess. Even Lanaya, who is apparently supposed to come off as a sympathetic really comes off as a holier-than-thou, uppity, arrogant, condescending, know-it-all ****.

Should humans and Dalish make nice, learn to get along, make reparations, etcetera? Sure, but as long as the Dalish keep behaving like that, they won't ever be welcome anywhere.

So yeah, screw the Dalish.

I only sided against the Werewolves once, ON my Dalish elf, and then restarted days after being distracted by another character and took the middle ground.

Since humans form armies to slaughter any Dalish settlement they find I would like you to tell me how the Dalish are suppose to play nice with humans?  Yes, I guess they could sell themselves into a life of poverty and/or slavery like the city elves and have the human religion forced on them to get along, what a great life that would be as you already stated by pointing out that city elves have it worse.

That doesn't happen anymore, Mithra even says so point blank.

The Dalish camp that my Dalish character was a part of moved on because the humans where gathering to attack them, regardless of if you let them go or not.  It may not be large organized armies formed by the church, but it still takes place on a smaller scale.