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[Wuxia]

I had real difficulty with the Horizon Scions/Husks fight on all my Insanity runs until I actually bothered exploring the area.



Right on the far side of the area there are two low L-shaped walls. Get all the husks to chase you and run over to the walls. Run to the inside corner of the L and wait for the husks to catch you up then vault over and pick them off as they spend half a minute running up to the wall then turning round and running all the way around the outside of the L, then just hop back over the wall. So long as you can avoid the Scion's shockwaves (very easy) it's impossible to get overwhelmed by the husks as they spend all that time running around the wall.



Picking of the Scions with no husks to melee you is then simple enough.

[Koralis]

On Insanity, it's definitely the Flying Eyebeams of Death.  They just hit too hard... kill too quickly,...and they're tough so you have to not have your luck run out many times.

I eventually just gave it up and went back to Hardcore.


Insanity is fun for everything else, but the Preatorins suck suck suck.

[swk3000]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

swk3000 wrote...
* Horizon - Take out both Scions before
actually entering the area, and the initial wave of husks doesn't spawn.

That... that works? I can't
believe I never noticed that.
$%&?#£!!!!!!!

Yep. I've done it several times now. I know only Soldiers and Infiltrators get Sniper Rifles, but I don't know if Infiltrators get a damage boost when they scope. It may therefore be something that only Soldiers can do. Still, it saves a lot of headache trying to run through that portion.

If you can't kill both, kill one and weaken the other. Run in and kill the Scion, and you'll only have the Husks to deal with. Much better odds.

[spacehamsterZH]

OniGanon wrote...

I don't know why so many find Collector Platforms hard...

Have you played it on HC or Insanity? The big problem is that right at the beginning, Harbinger rushes you, and if you can't take him out before he's on top of you, you're dog meat.

The trick for me has always been to spread the team out as far as possible. The outer walls of the platform don't look like they'd make good cover against Harbinger's singularities, but if you keep everyone in the center, the Collectors will concentrate fire on you and you're dead in 10 seconds. I died a zillion times before I figured this out.

After that, it's a simple matter of staying put and taking out the enemies on the new platforms from a distance. I imagine Thane or anyone else with a sniper rifle works great for this, but I've done it without sniper rifles too. Just don't try to get closer unless you absolutely have to, and never before the Scions are down.

[swk3000]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

I don't know why so many find Collector Platforms hard...

Have you played it on HC or Insanity?

Yep. Widow = cakewalk.

[spacehamsterZH]

Koralis wrote...
Insanity is fun for everything else, but the Preatorins suck suck suck.

What I really hate about the Praetorians is that their barrier/attack combo is triggered by anyone standing close to them, so your squadmates cause it to happen too. I've lost count of the number of times I've whittled a Praetorian down to its last shred of armor in an endless battle of attrition only to have it recharge its barrier because one of my numbnuts squadmates stood too close to it.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 15 avril 2010 - 04:39 .

[sonsonthebia07]

Koralis wrote...

On Insanity, it's definitely the Flying Eyebeams of Death.  They just hit too hard... kill too quickly,...and they're tough so you have to not have your luck run out many times.

I eventually just gave it up and went back to Hardcore.


Insanity is fun for everything else, but the Preatorins suck suck suck.

I don't remember ever dying from a praetorian. You can pretty much play ring-around-the-rosie with them, running in circles around barricades. I find them to be cake, honestly.

The hardest parts of insanity for me are playing classes without sniper rifles against enemies that are in unchargable locations (I'm usually a VG) or up high, such as the collector ambush on the collector ship. Pew-pewing scions down with pistols and SMGs takes quite a bit longer. especially when Harbinger is being a dick and chucking black balls of doom at your face.

[themastakillah]

OniGanon wrote...

I don't know why so many find Collector Platforms hard...

u didnt pay attention.. with other classes i find them 'easy'. have u ever play the vanguard(insanity), when u charge u have to leave the cover because of the fuccin glitch and even when u play this way u'll get sometimes that bug...

[OniGanon]

Admittedly I've never played very far as a Vanguard as I found the beginning too painful (I'll get around to it eventually). But surely all the people complaining about the platforms can't all be Vanguards...

spacehamsterZH wrote...
Have you played it on HC or Insanity? The big problem is that right at the beginning, Harbinger rushes you, and if you can't take him out before he's on top of you, you're dog meat.

I've only ever played on Insanity. Was a heck of a learning curve in the beginning, haha.

The first platform can actually be cleared without Harbinger appearing. Strip the barrier from the drone on the left and warp-bomb it. That usually kills two of them. Kill the third fast enough and Harbinger doesn't show. If you're not fast enough, Harbinger will be on his own anyway. Harbinger is only really dangerous because he pushes you out of cover stunned, and all the Collectors kill you. On his own, he's not so tough. Although, he can still threeshot you if you get cocky and go elbow him in the face or something.

Not that I uh... do that regularly or anything.

>.>

<.<

Modifié par OniGanon, 15 avril 2010 - 05:34 .

[Sparhawk]

swk3000 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

swk3000 wrote...
* Horizon - Take out both Scions before
actually entering the area, and the initial wave of husks doesn't spawn.

That... that works? I can't
believe I never noticed that.
$%&?#£!!!!!!!

Yep. I've done it several times now. I know only Soldiers and Infiltrators get Sniper Rifles, but I don't know if Infiltrators get a damage boost when they scope. It may therefore be something that only Soldiers can do. Still, it saves a lot of headache trying to run through that portion.

If you can't kill both, kill one and weaken the other. Run in and kill the Scion, and you'll only have the Husks to deal with. Much better odds.

You can actually make this the EASIEST fight in the game by going one step further.  Just stand in the doorway that leads to this area (so the door doesn't close behind you) and send your squadmates up to the platform that has the transmitter on it.  (That is the hardest part.)  They will fire at the Scions.  The Scions will not fight back.  Your squadmates will take out both Scions and you will not have to fire one shot or deal with any husks.  You'll know the fight is over when the cutscene pops up.

Is it a big time cheat... Yep.  I'm going through my first insanity run and I had a tough time of this fight on Hardcore.  I didn't feel like doing several reloads at the time.  So I figure I'd give this a try after reading about it in the "Insanity Mode Guide by Tirdun."  It worked.  It condensed that chaotic firefight into about 30 seconds of . 

[spacehamsterZH]

OniGanon wrote...
Harbinger is only really dangerous because he pushes you out of cover stunned, and all the Collectors kill you. On his own, he's not so tough. Although, he can still threeshot you if you get cocky and go elbow him in the face or something.

Not that I uh... do that regularly or anything.

>.>

<.<

There's a special kind of satisfaction that comes from elbowing Harbinger in the face, and I firmly believe everyone should experience it at least once.

Anyway, yeah, it all comes down to speed in that particular spot. I've never really noticed that it's the other Collectors that kill you, not Harbinger's singularities, but now that you mention it, it makes perfect sense because like I said, as soon as you spread your squad out to draw some of their fire away, it really isn't much of a problem anymore.

[Rm80]

my hardest figth on Insanity was without doubt that last figth on Grunts recruitment mission....



I did that mission in an early stage of the game and did not have many abilities....I restarted it over and over again.... In the end I managed because that stupid heavy mech got stuck in a wall so I could kill everything else in the room before going after the mech.



I also had problems with the two heavy mechs at the end of Garrus loyalty mission....when I think about everytime there is a heavy mech present I get in trouble...



never had problems with the scions and the praethorians are simple kills if you just run around in circles........but thoose damn heavy mechs

[spacehamsterZH]

Oh, here's something that pisses me off everytime... in Grunt's recruitment mission, just after the tank-bred Krogan has cleared the way for you, that entire section is broken as far as I'm concerned. First that stupid descending hallway with no cover where you just end up running back and forth on Insanity popping off single shots, and then the next area with the infinitely respawning Krogan. Anything with infintely spawning enemies is always uber-fail anyway, and at that particular spot, seriously, at some point I just said F it and stormed through, hoping I wouldn't get killed. And ta-da, that worked. No cloaking, either.

[curly haired boy]

the platforms were super-damn easy for my vanguard on insanity. i brought kasumi along and her FB grenade took harby out of the picture. the rest was just snipin' scions and chargin' drones. easy.



now hard/annoying? Jedore battle and the first firefight on jacob's loyalty mission. HOMG those were ugly.

[sonsonthebia07]

Rm80 wrote...

my hardest figth on Insanity was without doubt that last figth on Grunts recruitment mission....

I did that mission in an early stage of the game and did not have many abilities....I restarted it over and over again.... In the end I managed because that stupid heavy mech got stuck in a wall so I could kill everything else in the room before going after the mech.

I also had problems with the two heavy mechs at the end of Garrus loyalty mission....when I think about everytime there is a heavy mech present I get in trouble...

never had problems with the scions and the praethorians are simple kills if you just run around in circles........but thoose damn heavy mechs

I sort of bull**** my way through that mission anymore. The way I do it makes it incredibly easy.

What I do is I stay at the first wall barricade that you come across when you enter the room (the one closest to where you enter) and make sure to stay looking out the right side of it. As the krogans spawn from the pods, they will only attempt to attack you going up the right side of the ramp, so you can down them with ease before they reach you. There will be no issues with flanking because they will all attempt to come up that side. There are 4 krogan spawns, and you can basically ignore the heavy mech and Jedore the whole time. When the krogans are all dead, you can then precede to have an incredibily simple time killing the heavy mech and then Jedore.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I sort of bull**** my way through that mission anymore. The way I do it makes it incredibly easy.

What I do is I stay at the first wall barricade that you come across when you enter the room (the one closest to where you enter) and make sure to stay looking out the right side of it. As the krogans spawn from the pods, they will only attempt to attack you going up the right side of the ramp, so you can down them with ease before they reach you. There will be no issues with flanking because they will all attempt to come up that side. There are 4 krogan spawns, and you can basically ignore the heavy mech and Jedore the whole time. When the krogans are all dead, you can then precede to have an incredibily simple time killing the heavy mech and then Jedore.

QFT

[spacehamsterZH]

The Krogans eventually stop spawning there? I just took out Jedore with the Mantis and then blew up the YMIR.

[cruc1al]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

The Krogans eventually stop spawning there? I just took out Jedore with the Mantis and then blew up the YMIR.

Yep, there's krogans in only four tanks apparently. I found it difficult the first time around, but since then I've done what was said above

[Android328i]

the last battle on grunt's recruitment mission

[Koralis]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

Koralis wrote...

On Insanity, it's definitely the Flying Eyebeams of Death.  They just hit too hard... kill too quickly,...and they're tough so you have to not have your luck run out many times.

I eventually just gave it up and went back to Hardcore.

Insanity is fun for everything else, but the Preatorins suck suck suck.

I don't remember ever dying from a praetorian. You can pretty much play ring-around-the-rosie with them, running in circles around barricades. I find them to be cake, honestly.

The collector ship mission in particular... horizon isn't as bad.  I did insanity Collector Ship on my Infiltrator, but having a heck of a time on my vanguard, to the point where I decided that I wasn't having fun anymore.

The hardest parts of insanity for me are playing classes without sniper rifles against enemies that are in unchargable locations (I'm usually a VG) or up high, such as the collector ambush on the collector ship. Pew-pewing scions down with pistols and SMGs takes quite a bit longer. especially when Harbinger is being a dick and chucking black balls of doom at your face.

Hint 1:  If you move sideways when the black ball of doom is coming, it will veer off and miss you..  (there's no dodging the eyebeams of death!)

Hint 2:  Assault Rifle for distance shots.

[Rapamaha1]

on my insanity run the platforms in collector ship was hardest, I was trying that same fight for allmost 2hours and then I restarted the mission and changed squad mates, with new squad mates I pulled off that fight on first try, the horizon with scions + husks isnt that hard, all you need to do is run around the place

[OniGanon]

The multiple YMIR fights are brutal stuff. Fights like those make me wonder how I ever lived without the Arc Projector.



AI Hacking makes such battles more entertaining, however.

[spacehamsterZH]

I didn't do the smuggled cargo mission on my Insanity run. Screw that.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 15 avril 2010 - 09:23 .

[davidshooter]

The last battle on Grunt's recruitment mission can be done easily by never actually going through the door.  It's kind of cheating ( like the scion Horizon trick) because you are really supposed to be locked in that area with the Krogans and the heavy mech, but if anyone's having trouble with that section this makes it simple.

If you want to do it the way the game intended then I would follow the approach above taking cover just inside the door - the heavy mech can't get you there and the Krogans come one by one (there are only 4 in total).

Modifié par davidshooter, 15 avril 2010 - 09:52 .

[Omega-202]

OniGanon wrote...

The multiple YMIR fights are brutal stuff. Fights like those make me wonder how I ever lived without the Arc Projector.

AI Hacking makes such battles more entertaining, however.

AI Hacking is one way to use one against the other.

Another way is to focus on one of them and snipe its head off for the killing shot in order to get it to go nuclear.  Works wonders on Garrus's loyalty mission.  All you need to do is strip the shielding of one and head shot-for-the-kill the other and you save yourself a lot of time.