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[Busomjack]

So I was watching this show recently called Jamie Oliver's food revolution and there were a couple scenes that brought my blood to a boil.

The premise of the show is that this British dude named Jamie Oliver is heading to the City of Huntington West Virignia, the least healthy city in America(and by extention the world I believe) to try to change the school lunch program which serves children only processed crap.

In one scene, Jamie Oliver wanted to see if kids could even identify produce so he went into a first grade classroom with a cart full of fresh fruits and vegetables.  He held them up individually and asked the children to identify them.

They could not identify a single one.  If it were the less commonly consumed vegetables like eggplant and artichoke, then I could understand but not being able to identify a tomato or a potato?  ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

Who here didn't know what these were at the age of 6?  Perhaps it's a generational thing.  I was born in 1983 and had any of my fellow peers at the age of 6 did not know how to identify any vegetables we would've thought he was retarded.

Here is the clip in question.



Speaking of vegetables, the adults in the school district are even dumber than the kids.  In one scene Jamie Oliver was preparing a very nice dish of brown rice and 7 different vegetables.  Then the nimrod school superintendent objected saying that the meal was not "reimbursable" because it didn't have sufficient vegetables or bread servings.  She said because of this, Jamie Oliver's meal was unacceptable.  Jamie asked what he could do in the short term and the school superintedent said to use french fries as his vegetables and pizza for the bread servings for a reimbursable meal.
Reimbursable?  How about nutritious?  I hate beuracratic red tape crap like this that defies all human logic.
I couldn't find the whole video but here is a preview clip which shows parts of the scene.



Since when did trans-fat laden French Fries count as a vegetable?  Did anyone remember their moms telling them to eat their French Fries before they could have desert while growing up?  What's next?  Is apple pie going to be considered a proper fruit serving?

As for that grease pile pizza they said was acceptable as a bread serving, First of all, it's not called the "bread group" it's called the grain group.  Secondly, brown rice not only counts as a grain, but is easily one of the most nutritious grains one could possibly eat.

What in the Hell is wrong with the West Virginia public school system?  More importantly, what in the Hell is wrong with the parents of these kids?  Proper eating and good nutrition are essential for proper child development and the prevention of health problems down the road.  People developing type-2 diabetes in childhood was practically unheard of 50 years ago but now it is so common place we're seeing it in children as young as 5.

Is educating children about proper nutrition to offset future medical costs not a worthwhile investment?

I hope these idiot parents and beauracrats are proud of themselves.  It's thanks to them that America will for the first time see a generation live a shorter lifespan than their parents.

Modifié par Busomjack, 15 avril 2010 - 04:37 .

[SolitonMan]

Wow, that clip of the kids unable to identify a tomato or a potato was pretty frikkin' pathetic! I have to agree with you, things like this make it seem as though the future is bleak. Very bleak.

[EatonTJ]

1. The Government ("Public") school system, on the whole, is terrible. Although there are few exceptions, in nearly all cases a privately run school is far and away better... so I'm not really all that surprised to see incompetence by the government's teachers, administrators, and/or students.



2. I'm sure you meant the state of West Virginia, not the city. Is it a city in West Virginia that's so terrible, or the whole state?

[ObserverStatus]

Busomjack wrote...
So I was watching this show recently called Jamie Oliver's food revolution and there were a couple scenes that brought my blood to a boil.

The premise of the show is that this British dude named Jamie Oliver is heading to West Virignia, the least healthy city in America(and by extention the world I believe) to try to change the school lunch program which serves children only processed crap.

West Virginia is a state.

Modifié par bobobo878, 15 avril 2010 - 04:20 .

[TheMufflon]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Btw you guys can have Jamie Oliver.

Very little british people i know like him.

So you're saying he's popular among midgets in the UK?

[JRCHOharry]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Btw you guys can have Jamie Oliver.

Very little british people i know like him.

So you're saying he's popular among midgets in the UK?

lol. Very few british people i know like him.

I dont like him.
I prefer James Martin - can't go wrong with Saturday Kitchen.

[Tyrax Lightning]

I'm some random, anonymous someone on the Internet, & I condone your outrage.



Politics is the #1 cause of screwing up in this world. Even stupidity is only 2nd place.



I can't help but to wonder if the French Fry & Pizza making companies have 'bought' that superintendent?

[Appolo90]

Poverty is a huge cause of poor nutrition these days. Healthy food is three times more expensive. If you're on a tight budget, why buy salad ingredients for $8 when you can go to Burger King and get a whole meal for as low as $2.



You're pointing fingers at the wrong people. Out of control fast food corporations are one source to blame, and the government for encouraging low wages is another. Again, why work hard to make $60,000 a year and pay $30,000 in taxes when you can make $15,000, pay no taxes, and take advantage of government programs?

[Loerwyn]

At that age, it's not the fault of the education system.

The parents should have educated their kids a lot better than that; especially if they can't tell the difference between a Potato and a Tomato.

As for the meals, though? If school meals are like I remember then I actually miss them. Especially the toast we had at grammar school. Easily worth 10p a slice. But I do agree that for the most part they are horrific. Yet, in a way, they're not. They're generally quite high energy and school can be quite a tiring place, so that energy keeps them going. But it's when the school and the parents at home constantly feed their kids this crap that problems occur.

You can't blame just the schools/education system, and you can't blame just the parents.

[Kordras]

 I like the radio host's comment when he was interviewed.

"We don't want to sit around and eat lettuce all day."

*Facepalm*

[scottshelby]

Just get Andrew Zimmern in there and give the kids the choice to eat between bull testicles and grilled tarantulas or a meal of vegetables. Not only would it be hilarious watching him eat a buffet of horrors in front of a group of children, it would also make for some good TV.

[Busomjack]

Yeah, I meant to say the city of Huntington in West Virginia.



Apppolo90, I wouldn't directly blame the fast food corporations for the widespread availability of fast food. Rather I blame the government for subsidizing certain crops like corn which is what makes fast food so cheap.

Think about it, all fast food meat is raised on corn, corn is refined to produce high fructose corn syrup which is found in just about all processed foods. Farm subsidies for corn is the reason for the price disparity between most healthy and fresh foods.

[Busomjack]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

At that age, it's not the fault of the education system.
The parents should have educated their kids a lot better than that; especially if they can't tell the difference between a Potato and a Tomato.
As for the meals, though? If school meals are like I remember then I actually miss them. Especially the toast we had at grammar school. Easily worth 10p a slice. But I do agree that for the most part they are horrific. Yet, in a way, they're not. They're generally quite high energy and school can be quite a tiring place, so that energy keeps them going. But it's when the school and the parents at home constantly feed their kids this crap that problems occur.
You can't blame just the schools/education system, and you can't blame just the parents.

Why not, who else's job is it to educate children about proper nutrition if not the parents and schools?

Fast food commercials on television?  I know you're an Ayn Randbot and it's your perogative to reflexively blame consumers for everything, but how can you expect 6 year old kids to have the same level of consumer responsibility as adults?

Also, the food Jamie Oliver was serving was a much better source of energy.  The food the kids are eating is high in energy true but almost all of that energy is going to be stored as fat and spike their insulin levels.

Why else do you think so many children get type 2 diabetes?

Modifié par Busomjack, 15 avril 2010 - 04:40 .

[Appolo90]

True, I can't take the blame on corporations too far either. Corps simply respond to customer demands. If people demanded healthier food, I would bet my life that they would find a way to produce healthy food at a low price. Unfortunately, the masses have no problem with obesity and heart disease.

[Loerwyn]

I wasn't talking about educating kids on "proper nutrition"; I was talking about their inability to recognise produce. That's no one's fault but the parents.

I'm not an "Ayn Randbot" at all, but I don't blame the companies as much as others. Consumers allow there to be a market, and companies fill that market. If there's demand, someone will supply. I don't agree that vegetables and "healthier foods" are more expensive than a McDonalds or whatever, and I believe I've never insinuated that in this thread or any other.

The parents are the ones with responsibilities, not the kids. It's the parents who are making the bad choices, and the companies just feed off that.

[Busomjack]

Another point I would add is that when your insulin levels spike as a result of eating sugary/starchy foods, it causes your blood sugar to drop dramatically since insulin is a fat storage hormone.



Ever heard of sugar crashes? That's the cause.

[Busomjack]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I wasn't talking about educating kids on "proper nutrition"; I was talking about their inability to recognise produce. That's no one's fault but the parents.
I'm not an "Ayn Randbot" at all, but I don't blame the companies as much as others. Consumers allow there to be a market, and companies fill that market. If there's demand, someone will supply. I don't agree that vegetables and "healthier foods" are more expensive than a McDonalds or whatever, and I believe I've never insinuated that in this thread or any other.
The parents are the ones with responsibilities, not the kids. It's the parents who are making the bad choices, and the companies just feed off that.

If you read my post you would know that I did not let parents off the hook.  However, I think the present state in America is so bad that we can no longer reliably depend on parents to provide adaquete nutritional education to their kids.
That is how it really should but but we have an entire generation of adults who know nothing about nutrition.  How can we expect their kids to fare better?
We can't expect kids to learn from their parents when their parents know nothing. 

[Appolo90]

I agree with Shallow, except that I do think healthier foods are more expensive and take more effort to find. Also, it's human nature to eat foods with as much fat and salt as we can find. These things are rare in mother nature but companies have made them common.



But Shallow is basically right. People need to change, and everything else will follow suit.