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[JMA22TB]

smudboy wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...

DarthRic wrote...

I dispute the theory that the collectors were a diversion with one line from harbinger
"You have failed! we will find another way"
If they were a diversion then what did they fail at? It seems clear from this that it was intended for the human-reaper to fulfil soverign's role, with that failing harbinger says they will find another way to return (hence they all reactivate, point the relay on their end at another mass relay and start conquering organic species)

So you believe that by the ridiculous stroke of luck that is the events of ME2 - finding a derelict corpse of a Reaper, running into intel of the Collectors on Horizon mid-invasion, the Collectors laying a trap for you, and facing a pretty miserable amount of resistance in comparison to what they could have done to protect this "super-important project" - is really the primary motive? 

Honestly, who cares what Harbinger says to them? A tool's a tool. Until there's no evidence they don't have anything else planned, I seriously doubt a plan that flimsy is the primary plan of the architects of galactic society. Look at how GENIUS their last plan was... Shepard barely stopped the galactic Apocalypse, so I refuse to believe they suddenly went from geniuses to morons.

Just a little aside: this would help explain why they didn't collect Ashley/Kaidan on Horizon, despite going there for the specific reason that Ashley/Kaidan was there, to get to Shepard.

(Though JMA22TB would argue it's to mess with Shepard's mind, I'd argue Harbinger just wanted to have his dolls play with Shepard.  Little bit 'o crazy-fun.)

Also the "find another way" and "you have failed": find another way to do what?  Failed at what?  We have no idea why Harbinger was building a Reaper: if that's what we're lead to believe.  One simple explanation is intel gathering: checking out what Shepard's all about, while biding their time, waiting for their over-mind to compute the best strategy, testing the limits of their new obstacle.

As far as Horizon, it's a hell of a way to bait Shepard into wanting to pursue them more, especially considering your Virmire choice is there. LOL it's hard to tell if you're serious about Harbinger being insane, smudboy.

Yeah, the dialogue between the Collector General and Harbinger pretty much can be summed up as "We're done with you jackass, later" I think the whole Collector charade, in this context, would let them study Shepard while buying time - two birds, one stone.

[V-time]

If i think about it a bit harder is the whole abducting your crew thing a really dumb move by the collectors? I guess they know that you can use the IFF to go through the Omega 4 Relay so why instead of abducting the crew first didn´t they blow up your ship or at least the IFF installed in your ship in order to prevent oyu from making the jump?



Apart from the fact that it would have stopped the story short it just bugs me. It could have been handled better since the Collectors look like dumb idiots most of the time. Let´s see how Bioware is going to fix it. Your diversion idea might work but in my eyes Bioware got a lot of plot points to adress in ME3 to make the ME2 story (events) have any kind of logical sense in the big picture (which still makes it a chore to play it for now from a storyline perspective. gameplay is fine but i still rather play ME1 for the X time before getting through ME2 again)

[smudboy]

JMA22TB wrote...
As far as Horizon, it's a hell of a way to bait Shepard into wanting to pursue them more, especially considering your Virmire choice is there. LOL it's hard to tell if you're serious about Harbinger being insane, smudboy.

Yeah, the dialogue between the Collector General and Harbinger pretty much can be summed up as "We're done with you jackass, later" I think the whole Collector charade, in this context, would let them study Shepard while buying time - two birds, one stone.

It's my Occam's Razor to your conspiracy theory.  I think both have weight.

For example, the Wilson angle: why would a guy who supposedly knows how to bring someone back to life by rebuilding nearly their entire body, go to all that trouble to double cross everyone at the 11th hour, because he wasn't getting paid enough, and because some ice queen was giving him the cold shoulder?  This man's going to get all the ass and credits he wants in a couple of days if he goes to any biological corporation or science consortium.  The Collectors paid him off?  Was he really a medical doctor?  Did he shoot himself in the leg?  Was he lying about mechs coming after him?  How come he was so surprsied to hear about Shepard being alive when Jacob tells him, even though he and Miranda saw Shepard wake up?

[smudboy]

Another thing that bugs me is the faked-disabled Collector Ship and the IFF. First the Collectors want to trap the Normandy and team (for some unknown plot.) As soon as the ship powers up it wants to destroy the Normandy. Then after the IFF is baking, the Collectors show up again, but instead of blowing up the Normandy, they want to capture everyone. So which one is it? Do they want to kill us, collect us? What's going on here? They've had loads of opportunities.

Additionally, the Normandy is chump change considering they harvest entire colonies. Is it really worth the effort?

[BlackwindTheCommander]

SonvarTheMighty wrote...

The assault was done against a Collector base not their entire race. We'll most likely still see Collectors in ME3 as all we really faced was just one base of Collectors whose goal was just creating a new human reaper.

Was it meant to be a distraction to what bigger plans the Reapers had? I wouldn't be surprised at all if it is but it was still something they had hoped might still get done.

You know, I kinda always figured that was all that was lef of the Collectors.

My reasoning is, the Collectors are wuts left of the Protheans. The Prothean people were either wiped out or indoctrinated during the last exctinction cycle. I assumed that the Colectors have been in use since shortly after that time, and have been slowly dieing out. As the Reapers made more genetic modifications and implanted moe cybernetics they became less viable to reproduce. So over the years thier numbers slowly dwindled until there was only the Base and the Ship's worth left.

Not sure I actually have anything to back up this theory, but it makes some sense. But I dont know.

[JMA22TB]

smudboy wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...
As far as Horizon, it's a hell of a way to bait Shepard into wanting to pursue them more, especially considering your Virmire choice is there. LOL it's hard to tell if you're serious about Harbinger being insane, smudboy.

Yeah, the dialogue between the Collector General and Harbinger pretty much can be summed up as "We're done with you jackass, later" I think the whole Collector charade, in this context, would let them study Shepard while buying time - two birds, one stone.

It's my Occam's Razor to your conspiracy theory.  I think both have weight.

For example, the Wilson angle: why would a guy who supposedly knows how to bring someone back to life by rebuilding nearly their entire body, go to all that trouble to double cross everyone at the 11th hour, because he wasn't getting paid enough, and because some ice queen was giving him the cold shoulder?  This man's going to get all the ass and credits he wants in a couple of days if he goes to any biological corporation or science consortium.  The Collectors paid him off?  Was he really a medical doctor?  Did he shoot himself in the leg?  Was he lying about mechs coming after him?  How come he was so surprsied to hear about Shepard being alive when Jacob tells him, even though he and Miranda saw Shepard wake up?

I theorize Wilson is just a pawn by TIM - he knew him pretty well and "one of my best agents" can mean a lot of things. He probably knew Wilson would snap under pressure and that the whole scenario would have Shepard trust them more - not only did Cerberus bring you back to dead but saved your life once you woke up, in addition to having a third party in communication with the Collectors, in my theory's context.

The insanity of Harbinger's part would make sense in our perspective - but supposedly Reapers "transcend our very existence" so it would be appear to be insanity to us, but who knows?

Also, the trap on the ship and the abductions fit the idea that the Collectors are just baiting Shepard and Cerberus to pursue them - there's plenty of tactical question marks like that on their part. TIM nailed it describing the abduction idea, and their tactics, if you can call them that, continue throughout. Shepard is the primary threat, so the effort is to take their most dangerous enemy and have him distracted to me.

[JMA22TB]

BlackwindTheCommander wrote...

SonvarTheMighty wrote...

The assault was done against a Collector base not their entire race. We'll most likely still see Collectors in ME3 as all we really faced was just one base of Collectors whose goal was just creating a new human reaper.

Was it meant to be a distraction to what bigger plans the Reapers had? I wouldn't be surprised at all if it is but it was still something they had hoped might still get done.

You know, I kinda always figured that was all that was lef of the Collectors.

My reasoning is, the Collectors are wuts left of the Protheans. The Prothean people were either wiped out or indoctrinated during the last exctinction cycle. I assumed that the Colectors have been in use since shortly after that time, and have been slowly dieing out. As the Reapers made more genetic modifications and implanted moe cybernetics they became less viable to reproduce. So over the years thier numbers slowly dwindled until there was only the Base and the Ship's worth left.

Not sure I actually have anything to back up this theory, but it makes some sense. But I dont know.

Mordin's description is pretty telling to me - as they were modded by the Reapers, they've lost their sentience and organic characteristics, basically reduced to a notch just above husks.

[Sajuro]

Well the collectors were probably going to destroy Normandy after they took the crew, they just looted it for people because all of the squad members were away and the ship was disabled.



That is an interesting theory I must admit

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Sajuro wrote...

Well the collectors were probably going to destroy Normandy after they took the crew, they just looted it for people because all of the squad members were away and the ship was disabled.

That is an interesting theory I must admit

Agreed, they probably looted the ship only because the ship was disabled by an reaper virus.

[smudboy]

JMA22TB wrote...
I theorize Wilson is just a pawn by TIM - he knew him pretty well and "one of my best agents" can mean a lot of things. He probably knew Wilson would snap under pressure and that the whole scenario would have Shepard trust them more - not only did Cerberus bring you back to dead but saved your life once you woke up, in addition to having a third party in communication with the Collectors, in my theory's context.

Technically all Cerberus ops are TIM's pawns.  His responses didn't exactly justify his behavior.  What pressure would Wilson be snapping under?  Why would he betray everyone?  I mean we understood that Jack's researchers were just doing unethical experiments without oversight, but are we to believe Wilson was really that pissed and nefarious over money and Miranda?  (Also notice how Shepard pretty much just goes along with whatever Miranda says after she kills him.)

The insanity of Harbinger's part would make sense in our perspective - but supposedly Reapers "transcend our very existence" so it would be appear to be insanity to us, but who knows?

True, but that would imply some advanced intelligence.  Not random David Caruso oneliners about genetics and putting way too many gambits with one ship.  He came across as a egotistical school yard bully madly trying to study for his biology test.  Does he want to kill Shepard and the Normandy?  Kill just the Normandy?  Both?  It is a dizzying intellect.

Also, the trap on the ship and the abductions fit the idea that the Collectors are just baiting Shepard and Cerberus to pursue them - there's plenty of tactical question marks like that on their part. TIM nailed it describing the abduction idea, and their tactics, if you can call them that, continue throughout. Shepard is the primary threat, so the effort is to take their most dangerous enemy and have him distracted to me.

I still don't exactly understand the whole Collector trap scenario.  Harbinger was clearly playing with Shepard, but to what end?  What was the point?  Just to see what he'd do?  Was Harbinger the guy to check out what Shepard's all about, but if not to kill him, but hopefully to collect him?  It's this constant unknown motive of our antagonist that really makes the story suffer and makes the entire point of the plot unclear: what the hell is Harbinger trying to do here?  Sure we want the attacks on colonies to stop, but why is Harbinger behaving/talking like that, if at all?

[this isnt my name]

One thing realy confused me about the base, why is it there now ? The reapers spent millions of years doing this, the base was the prothean/collector base, 50, 000 years old, what happened to those before who couldnt be made into reapers ? Surely the protheans werent the only ones, so are there more bases because chances are they needed to build before the collectors were made, its either one of many or a plothole imo.

[smudboy]

this isnt my name wrote...

One thing realy confused me about the base, why is it there now ? The reapers spent millions of years doing this, the base was the prothean/collector base, 50, 000 years old, what happened to those before who couldnt be made into reapers ? Surely the protheans werent the only ones, so are there more bases because chances are they needed to build before the collectors were made, its either one of many or a plothole imo.

The real question is: wtf were they doing for 50k years?  Sleeping?  Why weren't they there for the battle of the Citadel?

[JMA22TB]

As far as the abduction (and many other things) is concerned, this theory is about the only explanation that makes sense to me, since there is no true motive articulated by any figure in the story that wasn't speculation. All I've got is that the Collectors' deployment was changed from observational recon to a diversion to their most dangerous threat, Shepard, so that the Reapers could allocate their other resources to building another mass relay that lets them come back. Judging by their movement toward the galaxy, I would assume it worked

I had an interesting idea about the origin of "The Collectors" though. It might just be a title, a very old one.

When the Reapers come in to wipe everything out, they harvest not just resources and fuel; they build new versions of themselves by ascertaining which races are good and which aren't, using the Citadel's information systems. The Reaper construction idea, while admittedly a bit goofy on the surface, would make sense if the slurpie goo is used both as mental capacity - brain functions incorporated into the AI programs - and then fuel. Flimsy I know, but this is what we're working with here based on ME2.

Anyway, at some point in the time of their existence, maybe right at the beginning, they decide to keep a recon force within the organic community that they could use to scout, just like the ex-Protheans do now. Harbinger can make comments about the lack of legitimacy of the turians, asari, krogan, etc. when you fight him, hinting this vetting procedure at play. The base they set up in the galactic core could be a lot more ancient than we're led to believe, and that the Protheans weren't the first race to be enslaved in this fashion. "The Collectors" would then be an interchangeable recon force that the Reapers replenish once the former modified race gets close to or becomes extinct over millenia. Using the hive mind implants they have in the Collectors, they use a central leader figure, possessed by Harbinger, to disperse their forces and check up on the current batch.

Using an example in the current group, the Reapers would, if they succeed, turn humanity into one of their own while deciding which among the other species becomes the next "Collectors" since Shepard wiped them all out, probably the turians since they are more predator-like hunters than the others.

Modifié par JMA22TB, 18 avril 2010 - 01:36 .

[Bucky_McLachlan]

double post

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 18 avril 2010 - 02:16 .

[Bucky_McLachlan]

this isnt my name wrote...

One thing realy confused me about the base, why is it there now ? The reapers spent millions of years doing this, the base was the prothean/collector base, 50, 000 years old, what happened to those before who couldnt be made into reapers ? Surely the protheans werent the only ones, so are there more bases because chances are they needed to build before the collectors were made, its either one of many or a plothole imo.

Careful man reach any further and your libel to pull your arm out of socket.

smudboy wrote...
The real question is: wtf were they doing for 50k years?  Sleeping?  Why weren't they there for the battle of the Citadel?

Dude srsly there's no plothole here. It's totally reasonable that the Collector's were prepairing for the Reaper's return in some other way while Sovereign attacked the Citadel, their reputation for being enigimatic is probably due to their lack of combative prowess, they aren't front of the line troops. Otherwise they'd be called Collective Badasses and they wouldn't need technology that allows them to kidnap thousands of people without physically damaging them or leaving evidence.

The conflict we've had so far with the Reapers has specifically revolved around attempts to bring them back from Dark Space. So it's been made extremely clear, and it was even in the first game, that whatever forces the Reapers have are waiting for their return before they openly act. And that's not me apologizing for
sh*tty writing, that's been made incredibly clear since the first game.

There's some pretty glaring flaws in ME2's story but some of you guys really take it to a ridiculous degree. There really isn't a plothole waiting around every single corner.

Honestly this right here is as straw man as an argument can be, stop it. Concentrate on the real glaring flaws. Like why the story is focused on recruiting teh hottest rock stars in the galaxy.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 18 avril 2010 - 01:46 .

[JMA22TB]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

One thing realy confused me about the base, why is it there now ? The reapers spent millions of years doing this, the base was the prothean/collector base, 50, 000 years old, what happened to those before who couldnt be made into reapers ? Surely the protheans werent the only ones, so are there more bases because chances are they needed to build before the collectors were made, its either one of many or a plothole imo.

Careful man reach any further and your libel to pull your arm out of socket.

smudboy wrote...
The real question is: wtf were they doing for 50k years?  Sleeping?  Why weren't they there for the battle of the Citadel?

Dude srsly here's no plothole here. It's totally reasonable that the Collector's were prepairing for the Reaper's return in some other way while Sovereign attacked the Citadel, their reputation for being enigimatic is probably due to their lack of combative prowess, they are front of the line troops.

The conflict we've had so far with the Reapers has specifically revolved around attempts to bring them back from Dark Space. So it's been made extremely clear, and it was even in the first game, that whatever forces the Reapers have are waiting
for their return before they openly act. And that's not me apologizing for
sh*tty writing, that's just obvious.

There's some pretty glaring flaws in ME2's story but some of you guys really take it to a ridiculous degree. There really isn't a plothole waiting around every single corner.

Honestly this right here is as straw man as an argument can be, stop it. Concentrate on the real glaring flaws. Like why the story is focused on recruiting teh hottest rock stars in the galaxy.

What I'm arguing, which I have no idea if you read or not, is that it's all a diversion to do exactly what you argue is the obvious point of what the Reapers are planning - bring them back. You have Shepard chasing a ghost while you build a mass relay in the two years and however much time it takes Shepard to stop the Collectors for Cerberus to bring him back as a threat. Two birds, one stone - ascertain the capabilities of your greatest threat and get to the battleground.

I agree that some things people pick at are semantics and not that important, but it's a legitimate question to wonder what the Collectors are doing for 50k years since it isn't explained at all in the story.

[this isnt my name]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

One thing realy confused me about the base, why is it there now ? The reapers spent millions of years doing this, the base was the prothean/collector base, 50, 000 years old, what happened to those before who couldnt be made into reapers ? Surely the protheans werent the only ones, so are there more bases because chances are they needed to build before the collectors were made, its either one of many or a plothole imo.

Careful man reach any further and your libel to pull your arm out of socket.

smudboy wrote...
The real question is: wtf were they doing for 50k years?  Sleeping?  Why weren't they there for the battle of the Citadel?

Dude srsly here's no plothole here. It's totally reasonable that the Collector's were prepairing for the Reaper's return in some other way while Sovereign attacked the Citadel, their reputation for being enigimatic is probably due to their lack of combative prowess, they are front of the line troops.

The conflict we've had so far with the Reapers has specifically revolved around attempts to bring them back from Dark Space. So it's been made extremely clear, and it was even in the first game, that whatever forces the Reapers have are waiting
for their return before they openly act. And that's not me apologizing for
sh*tty writing, that's just obvious.

There's some pretty glaring flaws in ME2's story but some of you guys really take it to a ridiculous degree. There really isn't a plothole waiting around every single corner.

Honestly this right here is as straw man as an argument can be, stop it. Concentrate on the real glaring flaws. Like why the story is focused on recruiting teh hottest rock stars in the galaxy.

Right because you know while soverign got his ass kicked the collectors decided to let people rebuild instead of join in, it would be most logical for them to aid soverign, not just start harvesting after hes dead.
As for my argument its not that weak, reapers have been made over 38 million years, collectors under 50,000 years old. So there must have been more before them.  Its not weak because only the last cycle the reapers decide to make them slaves, out of all the previous cycles they choose now, yeah thats just stupid. If the collectors make reapers who did it before them ? Where are they ? How were they built before collectors ?

[Bucky_McLachlan]

Dude I'm not going to argue with you, your argument is as straw man as straw man can be and I already outlined why it is. It's great that you don't agree but frankly I don't give a damn if you concede to that or not. You're not worth my time and to make things perfectly clear you're also flat out wrong. Period. End of story.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 18 avril 2010 - 02:24 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

this isnt my name wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

One thing realy confused me about the base, why is it there now ? The reapers spent millions of years doing this, the base was the prothean/collector base, 50, 000 years old, what happened to those before who couldnt be made into reapers ? Surely the protheans werent the only ones, so are there more bases because chances are they needed to build before the collectors were made, its either one of many or a plothole imo.

Careful man reach any further and your libel to pull your arm out of socket.

smudboy wrote...
The real question is: wtf were they doing for 50k years?  Sleeping?  Why weren't they there for the battle of the Citadel?

Dude srsly here's no plothole here. It's totally reasonable that the Collector's were prepairing for the Reaper's return in some other way while Sovereign attacked the Citadel, their reputation for being enigimatic is probably due to their lack of combative prowess, they are front of the line troops.

The conflict we've had so far with the Reapers has specifically revolved around attempts to bring them back from Dark Space. So it's been made extremely clear, and it was even in the first game, that whatever forces the Reapers have are waiting
for their return before they openly act. And that's not me apologizing for
sh*tty writing, that's just obvious.

There's some pretty glaring flaws in ME2's story but some of you guys really take it to a ridiculous degree. There really isn't a plothole waiting around every single corner.

Honestly this right here is as straw man as an argument can be, stop it. Concentrate on the real glaring flaws. Like why the story is focused on recruiting teh hottest rock stars in the galaxy.

Right because you know while soverign got his ass kicked the collectors decided to let people rebuild instead of join in, it would be most logical for them to aid soverign, not just start harvesting after hes dead.

you are assuming of course that soverign had any control over the collectors which from the looks of it, he didn't have diddly squat of an control. More than likely, only Harbringer had control of them. i don't picture reapers sharing puppets.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

JMA22TB wrote...
I agree that some things people pick at are semantics and not that important, but it's a legitimate question to wonder what the Collectors are doing for 50k years since it isn't explained at all in the story.

Did you just miss that whole  part about how the Reapers wait until galactic civilization has evolved to a  certain point before returning?

Also no offense but your diversion idea sounds like the worst kind of fan fiction. The Reapers are legitimately trapped in Dark Space and the Collector's were part of several plans they had to aid their return. NO PLOT HOLE HERE.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 18 avril 2010 - 02:29 .

[this isnt my name]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

Dude I'm not going to argue with you your argument is as straw man as straw man can be and I alreayd outlined why it is. It's great that you don't agree but frankly I don't give a damn if you concede to that or not. You're wrong Period. End of story.

And yet you keep posting.
First you never outlined you said it was weak, so your already looking like an idiot if thats an argument.
Collectors preparing had nothing to do with what I said, besides they hand out weapons and tech all the time, and are mindless drones, I think they are prepared pretty well.
And you cant say im wrong, period end of story. I never stated anything, all was pure speculation so you cant say im wrong without proof, which you have 0. You also cant say im wrong because me being wrong would be a fact, that was no fact, just your oppinion, it may help you realise if you actually read my posts. Also reading is easier if you get your head out of your ass.

[JMA22TB]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...
I agree that some things people pick at are semantics and not that important, but it's a legitimate question to wonder what the Collectors are doing for 50k years since it isn't explained at all in the story.

Did you just miss that whole  part about how the Reapers wait until galactic civilization has evolved to a  certain point before returning?

Also no offense but your diversion idea sounds like the worst kind of fan fiction. The Reapers are legitimately trapped in Dark Space and the Collector's were part of several plans they had to aid their return. NO PLOT HOLE HERE.

LOL silly troll. I like ppl like you utterly dismantling whatever you post is fun

Of course I know they let us advance to a certain point - they did and the Ilos Conduit screwed it all up, hence the Sovereign plot to get Saren to open up the Citadel for the next Reaper invasion. In my theory's context, the next step, realizing that there's a much more cunning new enemy than anticipated, would require even more finesse since in the 11th hour and 59th minute, Shepard stopped a genius plan of theirs. They would have to set up another trap - one that forces Shepard to chase after, except leaving out the stupid part in movies like in Spiderman where you actually have a choice. I don't have any proof or claim to, but it would be a lot more bad ass for the Reapers to have you chasing a threat that isn't the real one than for you to get so ridiculously lucky and embarrassingly thwart the next plan as relatively easily as you do in ME2, at least in comparison to the very narrow margain of error you had to have in ME (story context).

Next, I never mentioned anything about a plot hole. You probably don't even know what that means, you just see other people post it and you use the word. Several plans? Which ones are those, I wonder? Articulate your immaculate omniscience to us, oh bearer of all knowledge that is Mass Effect LOL. Hmm several plans would suggest maybe the idea that the Collectors weren't the main one, which is

*drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll**drum roll*

Exactly what my original post entails <_<

[smudboy]

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...
I agree that some things people pick at are semantics and not that important, but it's a legitimate question to wonder what the Collectors are doing for 50k years since it isn't explained at all in the story.

Did you just miss that whole  part about how the Reapers wait until galactic civilization has evolved to a  certain point before returning?

Also no offense but your diversion idea sounds like the worst kind of fan fiction. The Reapers are legitimately trapped in Dark Space and the Collector's were part of several plans they had to aid their return. NO PLOT HOLE HERE.

Buck, if you can make sense of the plot of ME2 by using ME1 as a base, be my guest and explain it to us.  The plot of ME2 felt like the fanfiction.

JMA22TB's Subterfuge and my Insanity theory might not answer all questions.  The Collectors were literally pulled out of The Reaper's ass, supposedly existing 50k years ago during the previous cycle of destruction.  Despite the Reapers already having an existing opposing force, the Geth.  But they were only a few hundred years old.  We know the Geth worked with Sovereign, and the Collectors worked with Harbinger.  And sure, these gods measure time differently, but if their intent was to make another Vanguard of Destruction to trip the Citadel for the next cycle, they're going about it in the most inefficient and non-Reaper like way.  Heck, Harbinger isn't even in the Milky Way for all we know.  Is this really their plan B?  It feels like some odd, misconstrued plot.

[this isnt my name]

smudboy wrote...

Bucky_McLachlan wrote...

JMA22TB wrote...
I agree that some things people pick at are semantics and not that important, but it's a legitimate question to wonder what the Collectors are doing for 50k years since it isn't explained at all in the story.

Did you just miss that whole  part about how the Reapers wait until galactic civilization has evolved to a  certain point before returning?

Also no offense but your diversion idea sounds like the worst kind of fan fiction. The Reapers are legitimately trapped in Dark Space and the Collector's were part of several plans they had to aid their return. NO PLOT HOLE HERE.

Buck, if you can make sense of the plot of ME2 by using ME1 as a base, be my guest and explain it to us.  The plot of ME2 felt like the fanfiction.

JMA22TB's Subterfuge and my Insanity theory might not answer all questions.  The Collectors were literally pulled out of The Reaper's ass, supposedly existing 50k years ago during the previous cycle of destruction.  Despite the Reapers already having an existing opposing force, the Geth.  But they were only a few hundred years old.  We know the Geth worked with Sovereign, and the Collectors worked with Harbinger.  And sure, these gods measure time differently, but if their intent was to make another Vanguard of Destruction to trip the Citadel for the next cycle, they're going about it in the most inefficient and non-Reaper like way.  Heck, Harbinger isn't even in the Milky Way for all we know.  Is this really their plan B?  It feels like some odd, misconstrued plot.

Besides collectors and keepers show signs of dark energy, both are related to the reapers, now a star has problems with dark energy, and it sounds like that dosent happen overnight, so while one thing was happening so was this. Obviously one got attention, the other would serve as a backup e.g sun stopped but reaper built, or reaper destroyed but dark energ plan happens. And the collector one was obviously going to get more attention.