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[LadyDamodred]

*blinks* Sooo, what you're saying is that after everything your character does in this game to save Ferelden, he would just up and leave? And when everyone wakes up in the morning, the Warden who did all of these amzing things, the general of the armies, the Hero of Ferelden is just...gone? What is even the point of playing the game?



I will also agree with Zandurpein that the Morrigan romance is awesome *because* of the tragedy. Morrigan was never a 'happily ever after" character from my perspective. Neither is Alistair though granted you at least have the option of being with him if you play your cards right.



I suppose you are right that we stand on opposite sides of a vast chasm, where ne'er the twain shall our ideas meet.

[AlanC9]

elemme wrote...

Hello again everybody, I have another hour to burn so I will try one more time to make my point and then you will never see me again.

That's sad. This has been a very interesting thread, even if you've been pretty much wrong about everything.

  Now if that kind of dialog, which I believe is not outside realm of imagination of what some people might want breaks your game. I will forever stand over here and you will stand over there.

"Breaks your game"? Nobody said that. You're the one who can't handle the ending not being exactly the way he wanted it.

I don’t see how it can possibly impact future storylines because once the Warden leaves with Morrigan he is again in BioWares’ hands and can be separated from Morrigan in any number of ways if that is what the grand story arc needs.

So you're OK if Bio does something you don't like in the next game, but hate that they do it in this one? How does that matter?

[Serissia]

I don't even understand how people get such hideous endings on their first play through.  My first play through was hardly perfect, things more or less things turned out alright.  As far as the choices go there's usually a pretty obvious good, neutral and evil PC reaction.  If you lack the ability to see that, perhaps you need to reevaluate your own moral compass. 

This deserves a...

 TL; DR: Actions really do have consequences.

Modifié par Serissia, 18 avril 2010 - 11:40 .

[Lady Jess]

I'm still trying to figure out when "stopping the dark ritual" became the goal of the game...dang, I went and ended the blight, silly me!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xandurpein wrote...
I will respectfully have to disagree. To me Morrigan's romance is perfect the way it is, tragedy, loss, bittersweet goodbye and all. This has nothing to do with breaking plots or not. I love the story just the way it is. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think that any hint of a happy-ever-aftering with Morrigan would ruin an experience that I found unique and worthwhile. Romances with rainbows and puppies endings are dime a dozen in the larger scheme of things.

If I was able to make this part of sacred law, I would.

The Morrigan romance is great because it's the only romance plot that ever made me this close to crying (depends on how you define crying though...). And I love it. Yes, people sometimes have the emotional need to cry.

And really, do people actualyl expect to settle down with Morrigan, have kids and live in a farm? Her leaving was always there and she actually gets out of her way to warn you. It still came as a bit of a surprise, but I wasn't shoked.

[Mirthadrond]

So your real complaint is the crappy romance ending with morrigan?



And this will prevent you from ever buying a bioware game again? Or just a dragon age game?



Well, spend your money on whatever you wish, but quite honestly, I doubt you will find any sympathy here. Most of us love the fact the game has so much anguish, heartbreak and tragety, depending on how you play it.

In addition, based on friends, the boards, the reviews, and sales figures, I think you are in the minority.

Not to say your opinion isn't important, it's just most do not agree with you, or feel the same way.



Morrigan is not the best romance if you don't like heart ache. Alister is a great friend, until you betray him, and somebody else is always willing to sacrifice themselves for "team warden" if you let them. You always have the option to create a god baby and live, as well. Creepy....

Life is always about choices, may not always like em, but it's impossible to avoid them.

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
I will respectfully have to disagree. To me Morrigan's romance is perfect the way it is, tragedy, loss, bittersweet goodbye and all. This has nothing to do with breaking plots or not. I love the story just the way it is. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think that any hint of a happy-ever-aftering with Morrigan would ruin an experience that I found unique and worthwhile. Romances with rainbows and puppies endings are dime a dozen in the larger scheme of things.

If I was able to make this part of sacred law, I would.

The Morrigan romance is great because it's the only romance plot that ever made me this close to crying (depends on how you define crying though...). And I love it. Yes, people sometimes have the emotional need to cry.

And really, do people actualyl expect to settle down with Morrigan, have kids and live in a farm? Her leaving was always there and she actually gets out of her way to warn you. It still came as a bit of a surprise, but I wasn't shoked.

I feel the same way! Come on, people- tragedy! It's part of the romance genre! Othello, Anna Karenina, Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Heights... etc and so forth.

And I know some alistair fangirls will disagree with me, but the I Will Do My Duty overtones in the Alistair romance is similar to Morrigan's romance too.

Modifié par soignee, 19 avril 2010 - 03:07 .

[LadyDamodred]

soignee wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
I will respectfully have to disagree. To me Morrigan's romance is perfect the way it is, tragedy, loss, bittersweet goodbye and all. This has nothing to do with breaking plots or not. I love the story just the way it is. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think that any hint of a happy-ever-aftering with Morrigan would ruin an experience that I found unique and worthwhile. Romances with rainbows and puppies endings are dime a dozen in the larger scheme of things.

If I was able to make this part of sacred law, I would.

The Morrigan romance is great because it's the only romance plot that ever made me this close to crying (depends on how you define crying though...). And I love it. Yes, people sometimes have the emotional need to cry.

And really, do people actualyl expect to settle down with Morrigan, have kids and live in a farm? Her leaving was always there and she actually gets out of her way to warn you. It still came as a bit of a surprise, but I wasn't shoked.

I feel the same way! Come on, people- tragedy! It's part of the romance genre! Othello, Anna Karenina, Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Heights... etc and so forth.

And I know some alistair fangirls will disagree with me, but the I Will Do My Duty overtones in the Alistair romance is similar to Morrigan's romance too.

Why would we disagree?  I, in fact, mentioned that before.  There's no perfect romance with either of them.  The Alistair romance can be just as awful, maybe even more so because Alistair has told you how much he loves you and wants to be with you.  Morrigan, at least, warns you about what's going to happen.

[soignee]

LadyDamodred wrote...


Why would we disagree?  I, in fact, mentioned that before.  There's no perfect romance with either of them.  The Alistair romance can be just as awful, maybe even more so because Alistair has told you how much he loves you and wants to be with you.  Morrigan, at least, warns you about what's going to happen.

Because I've noticed there's a trend for some Alstair fangirls saying there's only one "right" and "proper" ending you can possibly have, frankly. Not just in this comm but on other parts of the internets I poke for my Dragon Age stuff.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morrigan also tells us how much she loves us, in her own way. The fact she is going crazy about it (when she is normally oblivious to anything else) shows how much she does love us.  Not to mention the ring. The One Ring to break all hearts and in desperation bind them!

The Alistair romance can end tragically (and can end fairly happily), but it will never be like the Morrigan romance in its tragic denouement. Hence why the Morrigan romance is superior.
That and because Morrigan has bewbs and Alistair doesn't.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 19 avril 2010 - 03:31 .

[soignee]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morrigan also tells us how much she loves us, in her own way. The fact she is going crazy about it (when she is normally oblivious to anything else) shows how much she does love us.  Not to mention the ring. The One Ring to break all hearts and in desperation bind them!

The Alistair romance can end tragically (and can end fairly happily), but it will never be like the Morrigan romance in its tragic denouement. Hence why the Morrigan romance is superior.
That and because Morrigan has bewbs and Alistair doesn't.

if I'm honest the Morrigan romance gut punched me as I wasn't expecting it to. Morrigan is my second favourite companion ever, and even on my lady toons, when she calls me sister? Oh Morrigan

[Bryy_Miller]

elemme wrote...

you people are hopeless because what I wrote actually made some kind of sense to you.

... wait, what? No, you don't get to say what other people think.

[Caldarin V]

yeah, he doesn't make a huge amount of sense; he essentially wanted Loghain to pop up at the final battle and stop his character from taking the final blow...

[LadyDamodred]

soignee wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Why would we disagree?  I, in fact, mentioned that before.  There's no perfect romance with either of them.  The Alistair romance can be just as awful, maybe even more so because Alistair has told you how much he loves you and wants to be with you.  Morrigan, at least, warns you about what's going to happen.

Because I've noticed there's a trend for some Alstair fangirls saying there's only one "right" and "proper" ending you can possibly have, frankly. Not just in this comm but on other parts of the internets I poke for my Dragon Age stuff.

*rolls eyes*  That is why I hate girls.  XD

[Urshakk]

Let me get this straight OP, you weren't paying attention when Morrigan says to you: "You will regret this in the end." and all the other little hints in her conversations. (especially her very last one) How is that being stripped of choices? It's spelled out for you, can't get more foreshadow then that. Did the light bulb in your head go off? If you still expected a happy ending with Morrigan after that, your just fooling yourself.

You wrote to Bioware...saying its their fault you died, and that you had no control over where it went. What happened to all those dialogue choices during the game, were you just skipping them? Trying to shift the blame to them is assinine. You  made the terrible gameplay choices without looking at all the clues in front of you.

Modifié par Urshakk, 19 avril 2010 - 09:40 .

[Allattar1]

This is fantastic. I love this thread so much.



A few things stand out to me here.



1) Personal responsibility for actions... With this game you have to watch what you do. A tragedy ending is a bad ending though.

Romeo and Juliet isnt criticised for being a bad play. Romeo and Juliet is a fantastic story becuase of the tragedy.



2) Understanding and reading your companions is as much part of the game, as is ripping darkspawn to shreds.



3) Being able to plan your story through and realise consequences again is the game. I was too much enthralled by Morrigan to see the DR coming but, it did have a few warning bells there. Come on she tries to persuade you to kill her own mother.



4) Dark ritual is not necessarily bad. Theres another thread for that, key thing is we don't know.



5) Every ending is sad.

Seriously at the end of Origins everyone is leaving all heading off in different directions. The feeling I get is the same as the last day of University. These freinds and people I have known surrounding me for all this time. They now have seperate stories to move on with. It captured a great feel. perfect.



7) Its great not having plot pointed out with neon signs, in ten foot tall letters saying THIS ACTION LEADS TO, and PRESS HERE TO KILL CHARACTER.



How can you complain. You cant expect to make all your decisions in a safe bubble and get out of it at the end with happy flowery ending.

[Urshakk]

Allatar1 wrote...

This is fantastic. I love this thread so much.

Isn't it?

Seriously at the end of Origins everyone is leaving all heading off in different directions. The feeling I get is the same as the last day of University. These freinds and people I have known surrounding me for all this time. They now have seperate stories to move on with. It captured a great feel. perfect.

Good analogy imo, it did feel like that.

[ejoslin]

soignee wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...
I will respectfully have to disagree. To me Morrigan's romance is perfect the way it is, tragedy, loss, bittersweet goodbye and all. This has nothing to do with breaking plots or not. I love the story just the way it is. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think that any hint of a happy-ever-aftering with Morrigan would ruin an experience that I found unique and worthwhile. Romances with rainbows and puppies endings are dime a dozen in the larger scheme of things.

If I was able to make this part of sacred law, I would.

The Morrigan romance is great because it's the only romance plot that ever made me this close to crying (depends on how you define crying though...). And I love it. Yes, people sometimes have the emotional need to cry.

And really, do people actualyl expect to settle down with Morrigan, have kids and live in a farm? Her leaving was always there and she actually gets out of her way to warn you. It still came as a bit of a surprise, but I wasn't shoked.

I feel the same way! Come on, people- tragedy! It's part of the romance genre! Othello, Anna Karenina, Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Heights... etc and so forth.

And I know some alistair fangirls will disagree with me, but the I Will Do My Duty overtones in the Alistair romance is similar to Morrigan's romance too.

Alistair can definitely play out that way, and in my first (unspoiled) playthrough, it did.  And it was fantastic.  While the breakup wasn't totally unexpected (though it was more of a surprise than it should have been), it was still heartbreaking.

That a videogame romance can inspire THIS much emotion, including how upset the OP was by this, says a lot.  He played a game for 80 hours and had a huge emotional reaction at the end.  What higher praise of a game is there?

[Allattar1]

Urshakk wrote...

Allatar1 wrote...
This is fantastic. I love this thread so much.

Isn't it?

Sorry just loved the whole,
"I romanced Morrigan, and then she made a horrible offer, turned her down, kept Loghain alive so Alistair buggered off, left Loghain behind and went to kill the Archdemon, after being told that whichever grey warden kills the Archdemon has to die....
So my pc is dead Alistair ran away, Morrigan buggered off, leaving me to kill an Archdemon and die alone...
I hate you Bioware..."

Feel I got off the original post lol.

[CybAnt1]

The sad part is, this guy is dissatisfied because his choices had consequences, and that the consequences could be a bad outcome.



Like other people said, play Hello Kitty games, all you get are unicorns & rainbows.



There are other reasons I'm dis-satisfied (not so much with the game, but the expansion), but it's definitely not for this reason.



The writing remains top-notch. So does this aspect of the game. But ... well, you know the rest.

[Remaix]

"Waaaaaah! None of my choices ever have any impact! Bioware, do things different! BWAAAAAAH!"



"BWAAAAAAAH! My choices have actual impact, but I didn't mean it like THAT, Bioware. You suck! Bwaaaaaaaah!"



There's no pleasing some people.

[MagicalSarai]

Actually your choices throughout the game caused that to happen. My ending was quite different. I executed Alistair, Morrigan performed a dark ritual by screwing Loghain (ewwww) and I ended up pretty much loved by everyone... even though I was probably the most evil person in Ferelden. So... yeah, I loved DA:O.

I'm probably mimicing the people here already, but try playing again... different choices.

[Tinnic]

Allattar1 wrote...

Urshakk wrote...

Allatar1 wrote...
This is fantastic. I love this thread so much.

Isn't it?

Sorry just loved the whole,
"I romanced Morrigan, and then she made a horrible offer, turned her down, kept Loghain alive so Alistair buggered off, left Loghain behind and went to kill the Archdemon, after being told that whichever grey warden kills the Archdemon has to die....
So my pc is dead Alistair ran away, Morrigan buggered off, leaving me to kill an Archdemon and die alone...
I hate you Bioware..."

Feel I got off the original post lol.

Seriously though, why would anybody leave Loghain at the gates? I mean, Sten and Oghran are both commanders. So you can't even use the excuse, but "I needed an experienced commander"! Neither Sten nor Oghran are green recruits and it is made clear that they just have to hold the gate. I.e. No need for complicated strategy or anything like that. Just command men to stand firm. Both Sten and Oghran are very capable of that.

I mean, with Alistair, especially if you made him king, there is a legitimate reason to leave him at the gates against Riodan's advice. But Loghain... yeah, I don't get it.

[rak72]

This thread is funny. I'm still pissed that I didn't get my Allistair/Lady Cousland snow globe - I think I'll start writing.

Modifié par rak72, 19 avril 2010 - 05:51 .