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Ecael, Morinth got along just fine killing interesting people without Shepard.

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lastpawn wrote...

Ecael wrote...

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Doesn't do much to excuse people for choosing Morinth. Morinth would kill you just for sadistic satisfaction, Samara would only do it if she thought you were acting immorally.

Shepard provides targets for her to kill. If anything, Morinth would be motivated to keep Shepard around, even if she knows that romancing Shepard will kill him.

I don't follow the logic here. "Morinth loves the hunt." She's a killer who enjoys seduction and intrigue rather than large-scale battles, and Shepard offers the latter.

Yeah, the way I saw it was that Morinth was only following Shepard because she became obsessed with him. She was intoxicated by his strong willpower, and is now waiting for him to lower his guard. She doesn't target any of your crew members because all she wants now is Shepard. To me, this has two outcomes; she does kill Shepard, or eventually she becomes frustrated due to her inability to do so. Neither outcome is desirable to me.

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And the galaxy is not better off with one less serial killer in the world?

[hk47d]

Here is a logical reason from a gameplay standpoint, create an extra save game, save Morinth from Samara. Now you will have dominate available as one of the selectable squad powers for new games. Then just go back to using your normal save game and play like you would want to. (thanks to this i now have dominate AND A.I. Hacking for my brand-new playthrough as an engineer)

[WarlordFil]

My Renegade Shep picked Morinth on the justification that she can't help being what she is. Samara's trying to kill her, because she inherited genetics that weren't her fault, and refused to spend her life locked up in isolation. He's just not dumb enough to sleep with her.



Now, note this isn't my personal justification. I'd rather trust Samara, who kills coldly for duty, than Morinth who kills for fun. But I had a logical counterargument beyond just "let's pick the renegade answer this time!" Even my Renegade Shep doesn't pick the bottom answer if he can't justify the choice somehow.

[InvaderErl]

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AntiChri5 wrote...

Yes but the probability of Morinth trying to kill you is still much greater than Samara (even when you are renegade.)

Hardly. She will only try to kill me by seducing me which I've already proved doesn't work. Samara though, she'd do it the old fashioned away. Besides, the galaxy is better off with one less justicar in the world.

You actually think Morinth is going to just give up?

She only needs to meld with you. Figuring out a way is half the fun for her. There are other ways she can get you in such a position, not all of them involve candlelight and hallax.

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Shandepared wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yes but the probability of Morinth trying to kill you is still much greater than Samara (even when you are renegade.)

Hardly. She will only try to kill me by seducing me which I've already proved doesn't work. Samara though, she'd do it the old fashioned away. Besides, the galaxy is better off with one less justicar in the world.

What exactly do you think Morinth will do when she can no longer tolerate her inability to seduce Shepard? Granted that might not happen, but I see it as a likely possibility. Seems like an unnesecary risk to bring Morinth along when she is so unpredictable. At least you know more about Samara and what she is capable of.

[InvaderErl]

Another thing is Morinth mentions that she likes games where her opponent thinks they've won until the last minute. The woman is a viper ready to strike and if Shep resisted her mind control she's going to come up with a different approach.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 avril 2010 - 03:32 .

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WarlordFil wrote...

My Renegade Shep picked Morinth on the justification that she can't help being what she is. Samara's trying to kill her, because she inherited genetics that weren't her fault, and refused to spend her life locked up in isolation. He's just not dumb enough to sleep with her.

I know it's not your personal justification, but there's still the fact that Morinth is still choosing to kill people.

[Ecael]

Collider wrote...

Ecael, Morinth got along just fine killing interesting people without Shepard.

She was still hindered by the fact that her mother was always after her. Morinth doesn't have to worry about that now.

[WarlordFil]

Considering how often my RenegadeShep chooses to kill people he is no position to complain about that. From his point of view (again, not my own IRL).

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Ecael wrote...

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Ecael, Morinth got along just fine killing interesting people without Shepard.

She was still hindered by the fact that her mother was always after her. Morinth doesn't have to worry about that now.

But you said she's motivated to keep Shepard around. Samara's already dead, and prior to Shepard coming along she was still killing people.

[InvaderErl]

WarlordFil wrote...

Considering how often my RenegadeShep chooses to kill people he is no position to complain about that. From his point of view (again, not my own IRL).

Granted but Shep wasn't blowing away teenaged artist for no reason other than his own satisfaction.

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Ecael wrote...

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Ecael, Morinth got along just fine killing interesting people without Shepard.

She was still hindered by the fact that her mother was always after her. Morinth doesn't have to worry about that now.

But you said she's motivated to keep Shepard around. Samara's already dead, and prior to Shepard coming along she was still killing people.

That means she owes everything to Shepard, then.

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She's no worse than her mother and if she messes with my crew I kill her.

A serial killer who kills people for pleasure is worse than someone who was hunting down mercenaries and criminals? wat

I'd wager the justicar has a bigger body count.

So does Shepard. The distinction is that Morinth has been killing people just for kicks, Samara has been killing people to protect innocents.

[GodWood]

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GodWood wrote...
My Shepard has acted against Samara's code multiple times, she wanted me dead hence I had to kill her.
Morinth only wants to kill me through sex, this may shock you but it is possible to turn down sex..

Do you not remember the loyalty mission? If you didn't have enough paragon or renegade points, you start getting mind controlled by Morinth.

...Yes but are you forgetting to recruit Morinth you have to be stong enough to resist her, which I did, then when she offered (after the suicide mission) I resisted again...

EDIT: I think you're missing the point that I intend to kill her, its just I have to wait till ME3 to do so.

Modifié par GodWood, 16 avril 2010 - 03:44 .

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Ecael wrote...

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Ecael wrote...

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Ecael, Morinth got along just fine killing interesting people without Shepard.

She was still hindered by the fact that her mother was always after her. Morinth doesn't have to worry about that now.

But you said she's motivated to keep Shepard around. Samara's already dead, and prior to Shepard coming along she was still killing people.

That means she owes everything to Shepard, then.

I hardly think Morinth gives a damn. It doesn't stop her from killing Shepard in sex. You may say that Shepard may ask for sex but Morinth has the power to refuse.

[InvaderErl]

Ecael wrote...

That means she owes everything to Shepard, then.

I doubt Morinth cares about things like repaying a debt. She's a sociopath, that sort of stuff would likely be beneath her.

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Who can say? This wouldn't be any different than her mother trying to kill me. If things work out that way then I've rid the galaxy of two remorseless killers.

Actually it would be a lot different since Morinth is unpredictable. You know Samara is only going to kill Shepard. You don't know what Morinth would do.

She's no worse than her mother and if she messes with my crew I kill her.

Again, Morinth is unpredictable. That makes her a lot more dangerous.

Ecael wrote...
That means she owes everything to Shepard, then.

I don't think Morinth gives a damn about loyalty. All she wants to do is melt Shepard's brain.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 16 avril 2010 - 03:43 .

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GodWood wrote...

Collider wrote...

GodWood wrote...
My Shepard has acted against Samara's code multiple times, she wanted me dead hence I had to kill her.
Morinth only wants to kill me through sex, this may shock you but it is possible to turn down sex..

Do you not remember the loyalty mission? If you didn't have enough paragon or renegade points, you start getting mind controlled by Morinth.

...Yes but are you forgetting to recruit Morinth you have to be stong enough to resist her, which I did, then when she offered (after the suicide mission) I resisted again...

The fact that you have to resist her mind controlling should be reason enough. If she catches you off guard, like say drugging you, you may as well say goodbye to the world.

[InvaderErl]

Or hell what if she mind controls Grunt and then on a mission with the two of them attacks. There's a million ways having a telepathic succubus join the crew is a Horrible idea.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 avril 2010 - 03:43 .

[Ecael]

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I hardly think Morinth gives a damn. It doesn't stop her from killing Shepard in sex. You may say that Shepard may ask for sex but Morinth has the power to refuse.

If she didn't care, she wouldn't have followed Shepard through the Omega-4 Relay. All of the people on the Normandy are willing to sacrifice their lives for Shepard's cause.

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Ecael wrote...

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I hardly think Morinth gives a damn. It doesn't stop her from killing Shepard in sex. You may say that Shepard may ask for sex but Morinth has the power to refuse.

If she didn't care, she wouldn't have followed Shepard through the Omega-4 Relay. All of the people on the Normandy are willing to sacrifice their lives for Shepard's cause.

She can't eat Shepard if Shepard is dead, can she? The suicide mission is part of the hunt. Of course giving the impression that she's working for Shepard would lower Shepard's guard.