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beancounter501 wrote...

Still, Shield Wall does not seem to be as foolproof as Indomitable.  You still Knocked down from things like Earthquake/Grease/Fireball.  But Indomitable does not.  Kind of strange.

You sure?  remember, you need shield expertise to be immune to knockdown. 

[Random70]

^ W/o checking, I'd have to second BC. Shield Wall makes you immune to direct knockdowns. Earthquake, Fireball and whatnot are area spells, not direct. Indomitable makes you immune to knockdown, period.

[Nooneyouknow13]

Random's numbers on page two are total damage for the skills, not per hit, which is what I was asking. With all shield talents, tier 7 Duncan's Sword and Fade Wall with 42 strength, 7 armor penetration, and +15% critical damage, I am consistently, against all targets, finding that critical shield hits from Overpower deal the same damage as the non-critical hits from Assault, the only difference being the size of the font used to display the damage.


Edit: Shield Wall does not prevent falling on your ass by Earthquake. Testing Hurl Rock right now(It's pretty much the same as fireball)

Edit 2: Ok better result list for Shield Wall does not prevent Knockdowns from: Grease, Earthquake, or Blizzard. It does work vs Fireball, Hurl Rock, and Rock Barrage.  Essentially, it works against a knockdown caused via a strike or projectile, but not a persistent area effect.  Indomitable, since I went ahead and tested at the same time, works against all of the above.

Modifié par Nooneyouknow13, 26 avril 2010 - 12:44 .

[beancounter501]

Yhea, S&S with Shield Wall is not like Indomitable at all. I frequently hit Oghren with Earthquake and Grease. Neither spell knocked him down. Alistar with Shield Wall was knocked down all the time from those. One of the big synergys with a mage! THis was around level 15 - so he had the full shield line.



Shale was also immune to grease and Earthquake knockdown. Now that I think about it so was all the Shpeshifted forms. Just Spam Grease and Earthquake at your two hand Warriors and watch everyone else get knocked down.

[Nooneyouknow13]

And since Shale was mentioned, she is indeed immune to Grease, Earthquake, and Blizzard knockdowns, but not Fireball, Hurl Rock, or Rock Barrage.

[jsachun]

I think knockdown is also worked out against your physical resistence, so provided that your tank has enough PR, they should withstand Earthquake, Blizzard, & Grease. They should slow down & have resisted show up, but I don't remeber falling down. I actually had a lot more trouble with Two Hander with indomitable on than a SS with a shield wall on. But then again I always spend on all Shield talents. Plus shield wall gives me 5+ Armor & 10+ defense and not just 10+ defense as it is stated in wiki.

Modifié par jsachun, 27 avril 2010 - 09:30 .

[Nooneyouknow13]

Running any combat/skill mods? in 1.03 at least Shield Wall is +5 armor and +10 defense. Anyway, even with 100 physical resist you're not guaranteed to make the resist check 100% of the time.



On another note, this seems to be the longest thread in this forum section, rather amusing.

[jsachun]

Nooneyouknow13 wrote...

Running any combat/skill mods? in 1.03 at least Shield Wall is +5 armor and +10 defense. Anyway, even with 100 physical resist you're not guaranteed to make the resist check 100% of the time.

On another note, this seems to be the longest thread in this forum section, rather amusing.

I think we can assume that most of the AI mages in the game does not have enough spellpower to be able to cast strong enough spells. I had PR of only 73 and resisted PR checks just fine through the game at Nighmare difficulty on DA:O with a SS.

Awakening might be a different story.  

Modifié par jsachun, 27 avril 2010 - 09:37 .

[Nooneyouknow13]

I used party mages to test. And honestly, most of the knockdowns I deal with are a result of friendly fire.