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[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

Everything that's been done with Liara since ME1 has been to the detriment of the character.

Agreed.  It would've made a helluva lot more sense for her to be on Illos doing research on the Protheans vs Reapers.  She should've been tied into the plot of the Collectors being repurposed Protheans.  Not this half assed plot of suddenly being a 'info broker' for no apparent reason.

Agreed.  /sign

double sign/

This is what I thought she would be doing in ME2.  It would have been a way to fit her into the plot without her being in the squad.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Seems like every explanation I hear about this involves someone saying we must remember Liara is a weak character.   I dunno whether that's true or applicable or not. I'm no Liara expert.

She's not weak.  She didn't hide from the galaxy by becoming an archeologist.  She did it b/c that was her passion, and she went against her mother's desires while doing this.  That seems strong to me.

I'm talking about the way people try to explain her "exaggerated" reactions to the events that took place in the comics.

They say, "You have to remember, Liara is a fragile person, she's very young and she's not a strong character." They're trying to say events affected her way more than they probably would a normal person.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 16 avril 2010 - 07:50 .

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

I'm talking about the way people try to explain her "exaggerated" reactions to the events that took place in the comics.

They say, "You have to remember, Liara is a fragile person, she's very young and she's not a strong character." They're trying to say events affected her way more than they probably would a normal person.

I see.  Personally, I think these events would have effected any type of person, fragile or strong.

[this isnt my name]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nobody said it had to be good.

It just had to be an excuse to keep Liara the hell out of ME2.

It didnt matter how crap the cameo and its backstory was.

ME is story motivated so yep it matters quite a bit, if it had a crappy story then fine but story in ME is important.

[jlb524]

this isnt my name wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nobody said it had to be good.

It just had to be an excuse to keep Liara the hell out of ME2.

It didnt matter how crap the cameo and its backstory was.

ME is story motivated so yep it matters quite a bit, if it had a crappy story then fine but story in ME is important.

In ME2, shooting was important.  Story took a backseat.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nobody said it had to be good.

It just had to be an excuse to keep Liara the hell out of ME2.

It didnt matter how crap the cameo and its backstory was.

ME is story motivated so yep it matters quite a bit, if it had a crappy story then fine but story in ME is important.

In ME2, shooting was important.  Story took a backseat.

I still think they did a good job with the story. At least better then say, Halo 2, Gears 2, and Resident Evil 5. It's just the little things that F me off.

[Nozybidaj]

TMA LIVE wrote...


I still think they did a good job with the story. At least better then say, Halo 2, Gears 2, and Resident Evil 5. It's just the little things that F me off.

That's quite a group of literary giants you placed ME2 in company there with.  Bioware should be proud. /rolleyes

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


I still think they did a good job with the story. At least better then say, Halo 2, Gears 2, and Resident Evil 5. It's just the little things that F me off.

That's quite a group of literary giants you placed ME2 in company there with.  Bioware should be proud. /rolleyes

Ditto.  It doesn't take much to do a better story than those 3.

[this isnt my name]

jlb524 wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Nobody said it had to be good.

It just had to be an excuse to keep Liara the hell out of ME2.

It didnt matter how crap the cameo and its backstory was.

ME is story motivated so yep it matters quite a bit, if it had a crappy story then fine but story in ME is important.

In ME2, shooting was important.  Story took a backseat.

...<_< Your right... Why bioware why, you already had fans why sell us out for new guys.

[DPSSOC]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I'm talking about the way people try to explain her "exaggerated" reactions to the events that took place in the comics.

They say, "You have to remember, Liara is a fragile person, she's very young and she's not a strong character." They're trying to say events affected her way more than they probably would a normal person.

I see.  Personally, I think these events would have effected any type of person, fragile or strong.

Yes they would have but it's the degree to which they've effected her.  Liara's avoidance of people (she admits it is avoidance in part) means she's never had to process anything like this, and definitely not to this extreme.  Kaidan, Ash, Wrex, and Garrus have dealt with people they're close to dying, they know how to process it so they dealt with the situation better.  I'm not saying Liara is weak because she was effected by these events (or even anything related to these events) I think she's weak because that's how she came across to me in ME1 (feel free to disagree), but because she's weak she wasn't able to process the events and as such she's not dealing with it well.

Again just my opinion, feel free to disagree, I assure you you won't hurt my feelings.

[jlb524]

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes they would have but it's the degree to which they've effected her.  Liara's avoidance of people (she admits it is avoidance in part) means she's never had to process anything like this, and definitely not to this extreme.  Kaidan, Ash, Wrex, and Garrus have dealt with people they're close to dying, they know how to process it so they dealt with the situation better.  I'm not saying Liara is weak because she was effected by these events (or even anything related to these events) I think she's weak because that's how she came across to me in ME1 (feel free to disagree), but because she's weak she wasn't able to process the events and as such she's not dealing with it well.

Again just my opinion, feel free to disagree, I assure you you won't hurt my feelings.

I think you are confusing social ineptness with weakness.  Unless you think that is a form of weakness.  I do not.

[this isnt my name]

Liara was just stupid here, I mean in ME1 we killed her mother, no problem, now she left the guy she loves to avenge a random merc, not only that she has become a ****, Jack is a ****, Jack has a good reason, lots of stuff happened to her, Liara hasone thing and she becomes like she is now, to me its stpid how jack coped better.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


I still think they did a good job with the story. At least better then say, Halo 2, Gears 2, and Resident Evil 5. It's just the little things that F me off.

That's quite a group of literary giants you placed ME2 in company there with.  Bioware should be proud. /rolleyes

Ditto.  It doesn't take much to do a better story than those 3.

I'm just saying those are games where shooting is first and story is last. MS2 isn't in that category.

[Nozybidaj]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


I still think they did a good job with the story. At least better then say, Halo 2, Gears 2, and Resident Evil 5. It's just the little things that F me off.

That's quite a group of literary giants you placed ME2 in company there with.  Bioware should be proud. /rolleyes

Ditto.  It doesn't take much to do a better story than those 3.

I'm just saying those are games where shooting is first and story is last. ME2 isn't in that category.

No, pretty sure you were right the first time.  I have no issue with them all being grouped together.

[TMA LIVE]

this isnt my name wrote...

Liara was just stupid here, I mean in ME1 we killed her mother, no problem, now she left the guy she loves to avenge a random merc, not only that she has become a ****, Jack is a ****, Jack has a good reason, lots of stuff happened to her, Liara hasone thing and she becomes like she is now, to me its stpid how jack coped better.

You know, reading the comic, I almost think Liara's character was more based off Jack then Liara, with the "Let loose!" anger.<_<

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

You know, reading the comic, I almost think Liara's character was more based off Jack then Liara, with the "Let loose!" anger.<_<

Jack and Liara did a 'Freaky Friday' and swapped bodies with each other.

[Nightwriter]

DPSSOC wrote...

Yes they would have but it's the degree to which they've effected her.  Liara's avoidance of people (she admits it is avoidance in part) means she's never had to process anything like this, and definitely not to this extreme.  Kaidan, Ash, Wrex, and Garrus have dealt with people they're close to dying, they know how to process it so they dealt with the situation better.  I'm not saying Liara is weak because she was effected by these events (or even anything related to these events) I think she's weak because that's how she came across to me in ME1 (feel free to disagree), but because she's weak she wasn't able to process the events and as such she's not dealing with it well.

Again just my opinion, feel free to disagree, I assure you you won't hurt my feelings.

I guess I can kind of see what you're saying.

Isolation from people can leave one woefully inexperienced in... well, life. Since life is  people.

It might leave you inexperienced, too, in dealing with these kinds of events, since events, again, are caused by people.

However, I'm not sure if inexperienced is the same thing as weak.

[Barquiel]

Liara's role makes no sense (imo)

2 years...and Liara is one of the most important information brokers on Illium.
How???
She is an archaeologist = no connections

...or TIMs lie ("Liara is working for the SB") - it is very easy to see through
Liara never tried to conceal the fact that she wants to kill the SB.

Modifié par Barquiel, 16 avril 2010 - 08:40 .

[jlb524]

Barquiel wrote...

Liara's role makes no sense (imo)

2 years...and Liara is one of the most important information brokers on Illium.
How???

A wizard did it

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jlb524 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara's role makes no sense (imo)

2 years...and Liara is one of the most important information brokers on Illium.
How???

A wizard did it

Your wrong...

It's because she knew Gavorn's tricks!

[Nozybidaj]

You all just a bunch of haters hatin' on her awesome new Grimdark attitude. Mac knows how awesome Grimdark is and you all just can't understand how incredible his writing really is. You better step back before he puts you all in a coffee cup.

[jlb524]

Shepard:  *asking TIM about her old ME1 crew*  Where's Liara T'Soni

TIM:  She's working for the Shadow Broker.   She can't be trusted.

Shepard: 

MY REWRITE

Shepard:  *asking TIM about her old ME1 crew*  Where's Liara T'Soni



TIM:  She's assisting us in an important mission.  She is currently on Ilos, investigating the Prothean ruins there.  We hope she can uncover some information that will aid us in our upcoming battles against the Reapers.

Shepard:  Awww, that's my Liara 

[this isnt my name]

TMA LIVE wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Liara was just stupid here, I mean in ME1 we killed her mother, no problem, now she left the guy she loves to avenge a random merc, not only that she has become a ****, Jack is a ****, Jack has a good reason, lots of stuff happened to her, Liara hasone thing and she becomes like she is now, to me its stpid how jack coped better.

You know, reading the comic, I almost think Liara's character was more based off Jack then Liara, with the "Let loose!" anger.<_<

Jack is crazy I will admit, but lots happened to cause it.
Liara had one random guy die and she threatens to flay people with her mind, jack has had more things happen, worse things, she is crazy but you see why, Liara has less one pointless thing and she is already sounding as sadistic as jack. That part Just struck me as odd, either jack should be crazier or Liara should not be that effcted.
I havent read the comic no stores around here anyway but it sounds like crap, they just wanted a reason to keep her out, a better one would be, she dosent know if cerberus suceeded to bring ou back and you dont know about one another but, what happened here is they completely change her character for a ****** poor reason.

[DukeOfNukes]

Like everyone has pointed out...it didn't feel like Liara to begin with...it would have made more sense for it to be Shiala, Mallene Calis, or a different asari altogether (in the game...maybe not so much in the comic).



As other people have said...the story just wasn't as great as it was in the first game. I'm hoping they tie up some lose ends, and do a better job in Mass Effect 3.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Shepard:  *asking TIM about her old ME1 crew*  Where's Liara T'Soni

TIM:  She's working for the Shadow Broker.   She can't be trusted.

Shepard: 

My reaction exactly.