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[Onyx Jaguar]

Ryzaki wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I'm talking about games like Secret of Monkey Island and The Longest Journey. PC Adventure Games.

Oh I see. And these games focus on story rather than gameplay? 

Define gameplay

Anything that isn't storyline related, skills, abilities, combat. Running around. Anything that isn't dialogue or advancing the plot to me anyways.

Have you ever played a Monkey Island game or other PC Adventure Games?  I ask what you defined gameplay as because for the most part your definition would eliminate such games since they deal with logic puzzles (and item manipulation/finding) that do advance the plot.

I don't like those kind of games tbh. So no. Puzzles though...Hm...I'd probably find it to be both.

Its hard to explain.  You'd know it when you see it, Puzzles... Kind of.

[Ryzaki]

EternalWolfe wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh I'm not the best person to ask. I concider 99% of games to be RPGs. Anything where you play a role to me is an RPG. so...

I meant in the case of 'focusing on the story over gameplay'.

You know, the thing you said was the main point of RPGs?

Thing is though I haven't played any of those games except HR. And HR to me is an RPG.

[Ryzaki]

[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...

[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
Show me where I am suggesting more emphasis on gameplay.
I was simply mocking your sarcasm about the interactive movie games.
Maybe you need to go back and look at my posts Ryzaki before jumping to conclusions ok?
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[quote]Ryzaki wrote...
Oh my bad.

What sarcasm about interactive movie games? 
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[quote]Ryzaki wrote...
And there's much better shooters than ME if
that's what you're
interested in.

[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
And there's much better interactive
movie games with pure dialog and no
combat than ME if that's what your interested in.
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...that wasn't sarcasm. That was the truth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 avril 2010 - 04:22 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

No. They are fine the way the are. Really well balanced.



To the people saying that if you play RPGs for gameplay you're doing it wrong? Lol. WTF have you guys been smoking? We play whatever games we play for gameplay. If you want a passive story, go read a damn book.

[kraidy1117]

The story can be fantastic with amazing characters, but if the gameplay is utter crap where I have to torture my self to play a game? Games are abiut gameplay. Reason why I love ME2 alot more then ME, plus ME2 had better characters.

[kraidy1117]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

No. They are fine the way the are. Really well balanced.

To the people saying that if you play RPGs for gameplay you're doing it wrong? Lol. WTF have you guys been smoking? We play whatever games we play for gameplay. If you want a passive story, go read a damn book.

Some people don't want to read and would rather play clunky gameplay.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ryzaki wrote...

EternalWolfe wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh I'm not the best person to ask. I concider 99% of games to be RPGs. Anything where you play a role to me is an RPG. so...

I meant in the case of 'focusing on the story over gameplay'.

You know, the thing you said was the main point of RPGs?

Thing is though I haven't played any of those games except HR. And HR to me is an RPG.

Heavy Rain's lineage is PC Adventure games

[EternalWolfe]

Ryzaki wrote...

Thing is though I haven't played any of those games except HR. And HR to me is an RPG.

Haven't played HR yet, although from what I understand, it falls into the same category - that is, its labeled an Adventure game.

I only ask because those three are all labeled as Adventure games.  To me, Adventure games are probably one of the most story based type of game.  Anytime I get an RPG, I can be sure to have it filled with gameplay elements that have nothing to do with the story or advancing the plot - buffers, and things to support other elements(like leveling, skills, ect).

[Ryzaki]

kraidy1117 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

No. They are fine the way the are. Really well balanced.

To the people saying that if you play RPGs for gameplay you're doing it wrong? Lol. WTF have you guys been smoking? We play whatever games we play for gameplay. If you want a passive story, go read a damn book.

Some people don't want to read and would rather play clunky gameplay.

Uh. No.

Hm...I didn't make myself clear. Every game needs gameplay. Every game needs good/decent gameplay because that's part of it being a game. But to me most RPGs (that are mainly RPGs) tend to focus on storyline with gameplay being a distinct second.

Then again that's just me. *shrugs*

[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

EternalWolfe
wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh I'm not the best
person to ask. I concider 99% of games to be RPGs. Anything where you
play a role to me is an RPG. so...

I meant in the
case of 'focusing on the story over gameplay'.

You know, the
thing you said was the main point of RPGs?../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png

Thing is though I haven't played any of those
games except HR. And HR to me is an RPG.

Heavy
Rain's lineage is PC Adventure games

I know that. But I find it to be an RPG. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 avril 2010 - 04:27 .

[Ryzaki]

EternalWolfe wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Thing is though I haven't played any of those games except HR. And HR to me is an RPG.

Haven't played HR yet, although from what I understand, it falls into the same category - that is, its labeled an Adventure game.

I only ask because those three are all labeled as Adventure games.  To me, Adventure games are probably one of the most story based type of game.  Anytime I get an RPG, I can be sure to have it filled with gameplay elements that have nothing to do with the story or advancing the plot - buffers, and things to support other elements(like leveling, skills, ect).

True. I guess to me adventure always meant a more static storyline where's RPG meant a more fluid one. 

[SkullandBonesmember]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

EternalWolfe wrote...
SPOILER
The first chapter, the first main character comes too in a diner bathroom after commiting a murder.  You can do multiple things - clean up the murder, pay for your food and run out(or not pay and run out), go out the back door, or you could even go up and talk to the cop sitting at the counter and turn yourself in(not suggested).  The second chapter has you in control of to detectives come down to investigate - the way you acted changes what people remember, where and what kind of evidence you can find, ect.  And that's the tip of the iceberg.
SPOLIER END

When I called it an interactive movie, I meant the way the game felt when you played it.  Your choices had fairly large effects, including changes in dialouge/actions, mutliple endings, and even some special scenes for endings by failure during a cutscene section and such.  The game could be played out in very different ways.

Same goes for Shadow of Destiny - haven't played Heavy Rain yet, so I can't say  on that one.

Well that sounds kinda neat.  It does sound like an interacive movie, but with of course the player influencing the outcomes, and having various outcomes.  Would you consider it linear?

EternalWolfe wrote...

And question: Indigo Prophecy, Heavy Rain, Shadow of Destiny - would call them RPGs?

In MY personal opinion, I consider them all RPGs. I define video game RPGs in 2 different ways. The first being what people usually automatically think of when hearing the word "RPG". Level grinding, skills, etc. Nozy, a member who apparently no longer posts here mentioned last year how all video games evolve over time and they aren't stagnant and I agree with him. My second definition of an RPG may or may not include a leveling up system. The modern RPG I feel focuses on story and characters above all else.

An JD, yes, I consider all of them linear.

Ryzaki wrote...

True. Though usually for me anyway if the story is good enough I will suffer a terrible battle system to replay the game. (I'm looking at you Xenosaga I <_<).

I wanted to replay KH but...hell that wasn't happening. But that was more the camera's fault than the battle system.

Hehe. I feel your pain Ryzaki. Though honestly, the length of the cutscenes were excruciating at times with XS. Perhaps if the dialogue was interactive....

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't believe I ever gave the remote indication that I liked shooters.

If you like 'SPLOSHUNS in games, and think the combat in ME2 is better, come on! You like shooters.

[kraidy1117]

Ryzaki wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

No. They are fine the way the are. Really well balanced.

To the people saying that if you play RPGs for gameplay you're doing it wrong? Lol. WTF have you guys been smoking? We play whatever games we play for gameplay. If you want a passive story, go read a damn book.

Some people don't want to read and would rather play clunky gameplay.

Uh. No.

Hm...I didn't make myself clear. Every game needs gameplay. Every game needs good/decent gameplay because that's part of it being a game. But to me most RPGs (that are mainly RPGs) tend to focus on storyline with gameplay being a distinct second.

Then again that's just me. *shrugs*

Realy? BG1+2, KOTOR, Fallout and FF6 had fantastic gameplay and fantastic story. ME was a choir to play because of it's gameplay. Nice try.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 18 avril 2010 - 04:34 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I like Rainbow Six does that mean I like Sploshuns?

[Ryzaki]

kraidy1117 wrote...


Realy? BG1+2, KOTOR, Fallout and FF6 had fantastic gameplay and fantastic story. ME was a choir to play because of it's gameplay. Nice try.

To you. I loathed BG 1 and 2 combat and nearly cried because of the gameplay. Hell it was hard to play through it. KOTOR was bland but bearable (mostly due to the abundance of dialogue). Fallout I never played FF6 is a JRPG and thus the gameplay was fine. Story to me was meh.

Nice Try.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 avril 2010 - 04:38 .

[Slivkoff]

If you don't like the dialog spam the space-bar!

[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I like Rainbow Six does that mean I like Sploshuns?

I could never get into Rainbow Six SC. Then again I'm more of a MP shooter gal.

[Ryzaki]

Baldur's gate was one of the most boring games I ever played though...seriously. I think people are wearing heavy rose tinted glasses when it comes to that game.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I didn't like Baldur's Gate when it came out. I avoided Bioware's games for nearly a decade because of that game.



Even as a Black Isle fanboy I knew it just wasn't Fallout or Planescape.

[kraidy1117]

Ryzaki wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


Realy? BG1+2, KOTOR, Fallout and FF6 had fantastic gameplay and fantastic story. ME was a choir to play because of it's gameplay. Nice try.

To you. I loathed BG 1 and 2 combat and nearly cried because of the gameplay. Hell it was hard to play through it. KOTOR was bland but bearable (mostly due to the abundance of dialogue). Fallout I never played FF6 is a JRPG and thus the gameplay was fine. Story to me was meh.

Nice Try.

Nice try? The games I listed have been cited for there gameplay, and having played them it shows an RPG can have both. ME was cited for it's story and charatcers, but critised for it's gameplay. The game needs solid gameplay, not just a story.